Please Stop Calling The Wings A Lock

[Dabura 12,232]

Some of you must not remember Sharks in '94

I don't expect the Wings to be any better than last season

This place amazes me sometimes.

[brutus 0]

And who the hell says Wings are lock to win the Stanley Cup in 2008/09?

the Wings are lock to win the Stanley Cup in 2008/09

brutus

[STK 0]

Normally I'd agree with you but barring injuries, whos going to stop us?

There are lots of teams, that with a few breaks, a hot goalie, an injury, can beat you.

I learned this in 1993. The Pens, loaded with All Stars and HOFers, got taken to game 7 by the Isles.

And then, a bad bounce later, the puck is in the net, and the season is over in overtime.

All it takes is a hot goalie, a bounce, a bad call, an injury. Lots can change.

And don't forget guys like Gaborik who will be available at the deadline for teams to make a push.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Hey if you believe what the mighty Eklund say's he is already picking the Sharks to beat the Wing's next year because of their additions of Blake and Boyle. Blake is old and Boyle is so flaky it's not even funny.

Scroll down near the bottom for the bold predicition !!

The Hockey Messiah make's a prediction

That would intrest me if Eklund knew anything about hockey.

Campbell+Rivet+Carle>>>>>Dan Boyle + Rob Blake.

I can't see Marleau reganing form, and Cheechoo looks more like a flash of a pan scorer lately. His 50 goal season was a fluke, realisticly i would be shocked if he put over 35.

Nabokov is also overated around here. people act like hes the second russian comming of Dryden, but the truth of the matter is the guy is a slightly above average starter.

I dont know.... Personally i feel if we faced San Jose this year we woudlve crushed them, and by that one geometry rule i'm forgetting that name of tells me im right as we plowed the Stars over after they demolished the sharks, and if we could beat them last year... well we have improved, while they are taking a step back.

realistically i think Anaheim is still our biggest threat, not because of their offensive...it's rancid, but anyteam boasting 2 of the top 5 d-men in the world and a good goalie scare me. I still like the wings chances but I wouldnt be that shocked if they beat us.

[Opie 308]

Cheechoo looks more like a flash of a pan scorer lately. His 50 goal season was a fluke, realisticly i would be shocked if he put over 35.

I always contested that was more of a Joe Thornton stat than it was Cheechoo's doing.

I think Michalek will have a similar issue if off of Joe's line, not as bad because I think he has more of a scorers touch than Cheechoo does.

[Dabura 12,232]

And then, a bad bounce later, the puck is in the net, and the season is over in overtime.

Not to be a ******, but really, I'm laughing over here.

You guys are Wings fans -- have fun with it! Call your team the best. Call them a lock. Cautious optimism is for sissies.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Not to be a ******, but really, I'm laughing over here.

You guys are Wings fans -- have fun with it! Call your team the best. Call them a lock. Cautious optimism is for sissies.

Hes a pens fan

[Guest Crymson]

realistically i think Anaheim is still our biggest threat, not because of their offensive...it's rancid, but anyteam boasting 2 of the top 5 d-men in the world and a good goalie scare me. I still like the wings chances but I wouldnt be that shocked if they beat us.

How long do you all think it'll be before people start saying that we can't possibly beat Anaheim in a seven-game series?

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

How long do you all think it'll be before people start saying that we can't possibly beat Anaheim in a seven-game series?

I don't think we can either. They've got a lot of Canadians who can fight, and they've beaten us the last 2 times we played them in the playoffs.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

How long do you all think it'll be before people start saying that we can't possibly beat Anaheim in a seven-game series?

Oh, if we sitll came up vs them id pick wings in 6 right now. But just on paper i think they have the best shot from the west.

[Guest Crymson]

Oh, if we sitll came up vs them id pick wings in 6 right now. But just on paper i think they have the best shot from the west.

On paper? After ranking near-bottom in goals-for, having seen Pronger have a terrible season and Niedermayer show that he's losing something with age, and having seen a net loss of offensive firepower over the summer?

I'd say that these guys aren't in good position.

[Opie 308]

Are you high?

The no offense having Ducks have the best shot from the west?

What is with the Duck nut sucking, just because they beat the wings 2 season ago doesn't mean they are still that good.

Their D is top 3 in the league, their offense is probably bottom 5 at least bottom 10 in the league.

How about the Stars or Sharks.

People get caught up with the Ducks NA fighting scrappy players because the Wings don't have that type of players or in the they beat us once they have to be great, no one beats the Wings and then isn't great.

They are the anti Lightning, they spent everything on D nothing up front.

We had this discussion last off season, will they make the playoffs sure, will they win their division, doubt it. Yes the saying is Defense wins Championships but while the bolts will be using the mantra we will score 6 lets keep them to under 7, the Ducks will be we might score one we will shut all the other teams out!!!

Why did they not repeat last year, well lets see they let the number 2 offensive player on their team walk for the same amount of money they offered Bert, a washed up power forward, when they could have spent the money on Penner an up and coming power forward, they lose MacDonald, their 4th best offensive player from the year before. Now they are not even able to afford Teemu if he wanted to come back, their top offensive producer for the past what 4-5 years.

Odds are Schneider is gone, that would be their best Defenseman, in terms of offense, from last year.

Yet some how

they have the best shot from the west.

Edited July 8, 2008 by Opie

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Are you high?

The no offense having Ducks have the best shot from the west?

What is with the Duck nut sucking, just because they beat the wings 2 season ago doesn't mean they are still that good.

Their D is top 3 in the league, their offense is probably bottom 5 at least bottom 10 in the league.

How about the Stars or Sharks.

People get caught up with the Ducks NA fighting scrappy players because the Wings don't have that type of players or in the they beat us once they have to be great, no one beats the Wings and then isn't great.

They are the anti Lightning, they spent everything on D nothing up front.

We had this discussion last off season, will they make the playoffs sure, will they win their division, doubt it. Yes the saying is Defense wins Championships but while the bolts will be using the mantra we will score 6 lets keep them to under 7, the Ducks will be we might score one we will shut all the other teams out!!!

Why did they not repeat last year, well lets see they let the number 2 offensive player on their team walk for the same amount of money they offered Bert, a washed up power forward, when they could have spent the money on Penner an up and coming power forward, they lose MacDonald, their 4th best offensive player from the year before. Now they are not even able to afford Teemu if he wanted to come back, their top offensive producer for the past what 4-5 years.

Odds are Schneider is gone, that would be their best Defenseman, in terms of offense, from last year.

Yet some how

How about you actually read my post before you make dumb metaphors and comparisons? Oh and it helps to quote the whole sentence. For example i could quote "Odds are Schneider is gone, that would be their best Defenseman" and that wouldnt look right would it? Dumbass.

I never said i favored the Ducks to beat the Wings, In fact if they vsed right now WINGS IN 6, just that they match up the ebst agaisnt us in the playoffs and if not them than who? Dallas is a ******* joke of a 'contentder" and San Jose has only gotten worse. realstically those teams do not scare me at all, but the Ducks still have the tools to pull the classic wings upset with good defesne good checking and a good goaltender ( YES GIGGY IS A GOOD GOALTENDER. EVEN IF HE DOSENT ******* MOVE THE POINT IS HE DOSENT LET THE PUCK IN OFTEN. THATS THE MAIN OBJECTIVE WHO CARES IF HE ABUSES BIG PADS. COMPLAINING WONT SCORE ANY MORE GOALS)

Seriously Dallas has there hopes set on Richards and Morrow, both of hmm would be our 4th maybe 5th best forward with Shakey goaltending. And the Sharks have only gotten worse, and all their big "scorers" are product of Thornton.

Honestly if we vs both those teams im calling Wings in 5 cause the Wings are better in every aspect of the game. That is not so with the Ducks. They are grittier than us, have a comparable (but SLIGHTLY WORSE) defense when playing to their potentiol and a better Goalie in terms of stopping the puck.

Edited July 8, 2008 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[gowingsgo 3]

Barring injury, next year's run will depend on whether Ozzie can continue to play good hockey in net. We'll see how he holds up without Dom all year.

[Opie 308]

Hopefully this is better for you!

BTW your entire first post I replied to:

Oh, if we sitll came up vs them id pick wings in 6 right now. But just on paper i think they have the best shot from the west.

I wasn't talking about the wings beating them I was talking about you saying they have the best shot from the west (which I assumed to mean at beating the wings compared to other teams not they were the favorite), therefore the part about the wings beating them is moot, hence why I didn't mention anything about the wings beating the ducks in my post!

What was so wrong with my metaphor saying they are the Bolts in reverse, they have all D no O, the Bolts have all O no D?

How about you actually read my post before you make dumb metaphors and comparisons? Oh and it helps to quote the whole sentence. For example i could quote "Odds are Schneider is gone, that would be their best Defenseman" and that wouldnt look right would it? Dumbass.

I never said i favored the Ducks to beat the Wings, In fact if they vsed right now WINGS IN 6, just that they match up the ebst agaisnt us in the playoffs and if not them than who? Dallas is a ******* joke of a 'contentder" and San Jose has only gotten worse. realstically those teams do not scare me at all, but the Ducks still have the tools to pull the classic wings upset with good defesne good checking and a good goaltender ( YES GIGGY IS A GOOD GOALTENDER. EVEN IF HE DOSENT ******* MOVE THE POINT IS HE DOSENT LET THE PUCK IN OFTEN. THATS THE MAIN OBJECTIVE WHO CARES IF HE ABUSES BIG PADS. COMPLAINING WONT SCORE ANY MORE GOALS)

He would need to shut out the opponent or have a GAA that was unheard of in this era with that offense!

Seriously Dallas has there hopes set on Richards and Morrow, both of hmm would be our 4th maybe 5th best forward with Shakey goaltending. And the Sharks have only gotten worse, and all their big "scorers" are product of Thornton.

Of course they would be fourth or fifth on this team, Detroit has 3 of the top 10 maybe 15 forwards in the game, that is like saying Neids or Pronger or Phanuef would be the second best D man in Detroit, no s***!

Turco is shaky goaltending? Yet Jiggy is rock solid? Sharks got worse, let me see they off loaded a offensive defenseman who is overrated and overpaid and got Blake, solid d-man not all star anymore but solid and Boyle who is a decent top 4 dman just not the #1 that they tried to make him in Tampa.

So the sharks only have Joe T in your opinion, what does Ana have the even comes remotely close to Joe Thornton's jock strap?

Dallas has a very good D, Zubov will be healthy which is huge for them, they added Avery, they still have Modano who is better than anything the Ducks have, they have Morrow, Avery and Richards way more than what the Ducks have, even if I can't stand Avery he is the equivalent to Perry skill wise, btw the Ducks now best forward.

Morrison is nothing but a shadow of his former self.

Honestly if we vs both those teams im calling Wings in 5 cause the Wings are better in every aspect of the game. That is not so with the Ducks. They are grittier than us, have a comparable (but SLIGHTLY WORSE) defense when playing to their potentiol and a better Goalie in terms of stopping the puck.

Lets see the Stars and sharks have made improvements since the Playoffs, while the Ducks have lost players, who won more games last year, who went further in the playoffs?

Weren't the Ducks super gritty last year and with more offensive players than this year, yet some how with all of these player loses they are going to be better than last year?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I know this wasn't my argument to begin with, but I'll join after reading this.

I never said i favored the Ducks to beat the Wings, In fact if they vsed right now WINGS IN 6, just that they match up the ebst agaisnt us in the playoffs and if not them than who? Dallas is a ******* joke of a 'contentder" and San Jose has only gotten worse.

I literally almost stopped reading the rest of your post after having read the bolded comment.

First and foremost, Dallas is absolutely a contender next year and where do you come up with San Jose has only gotten worse?

but the Ducks still have the tools to pull the classic wings upset with good defesne good checking and a good goaltender ( YES GIGGY IS A GOOD GOALTENDER. EVEN IF HE DOSENT ******* MOVE THE POINT IS HE DOSENT LET THE PUCK IN OFTEN. THATS THE MAIN OBJECTIVE WHO CARES IF HE ABUSES BIG PADS. COMPLAINING WONT SCORE ANY MORE GOALS)

The Ducks *had* the tools to pull the classic Wings upset, but that was before Mike Babcock got control of his team. His first year, I'll chalk up to the players not fully bought in yet, but the last two years the Wings have been a pain in the ass for any team in the playoffs. If the 06/07 playoffs didn't prove the Wings are now fully prepared and capable of beating any team in the league come postseason, than the 07/08 playoffs destroyed that theory.

Seriously Dallas has there hopes set on Richards and Morrow, both of hmm would be our 4th maybe 5th best forward with Shakey goaltending.

So what if the Richards and Morrow would be our 4th and 5th best forward. I'll flat out say they would be with Z, Dats and Hossa in the mix for the Wings now, but that doesn't mean the team doesn't have depth, played phenomenal *playoff* hockey this past year, and their all-star goalie has now shaken the thought of being a playoff bust.

And the Sharks have only gotten worse, and all their big "scorers" are product of Thornton.

Again, I ask....how have the Sharks only gotten worse? They dump Hanta Yo Baby for the McLellan and bolstered their blueline which was the only other major problem they had. So, how is it that they got worse?

Honestly if we vs both those teams im calling Wings in 5 cause the Wings are better in every aspect of the game. That is not so with the Ducks. They are grittier than us, have a comparable (but SLIGHTLY WORSE) defense when playing to their potentiol and a better Goalie in terms of stopping the puck.

While its hard to argue most of these points, you fail to bring up the major discrepancy in offense (and it is a *HUGE* one), the fact that the Wings have now shown they can handle whatever teams throw at them in the playoffs, and a goaltender that is *currently* playing as lights out (if not moreso) than Giggy.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

How has San Jose not gotten worse? Losing Rivet+Carle+Campbell for Rob Blake who is extetped to be there top shut down guy, and Dan boyle is A HORRIBLE DOWNGRADE. And if you honeslty see Dallas giving us fits, AT ALL you are Delusional. Turco plays like swiss cheese agaisnt us, and we are better and have more depth at every posstion.

Also I NEVER ONCE SAID THE DUCKS WERE BETTER THAN US, JUST THAT THEY WOULD GIVE US MORE TROUBLE THAN THE OTHER BIG TEAMS IN THE WEST. And if you honestly feel more chills when we get Dallas matched up vs us in the playoffs than Anaheim your retarted. Not to long ago a team very similar to ours lost to a team very similar to anaheims.

Basically all im saying is that in my opinion (which is right), Anaheim would give us more fits than San Jose or Dallas. They match up well to all our weaknesses. Maybe San jose would kill Anaheim, maybe they woudlnt, even if they did that dosent stop them from matching up better vs us.

Oh and btw I agree Corey Perry is a joke of an elite forward, but Getzlaf is a far better player and if they somehow still get Selanne back they will be more of a threat

Edited July 8, 2008 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[Opie 308]

How has San Jose not gotten worse? Losing Rivet+Carle+Campbell for Rob Blake who is extetped to be there top shut down guy, and Dan boyle is A HORRIBLE DOWNGRADE. And if you honeslty see Dallas giving us fits, AT ALL you are Delusional. Turco plays like swiss cheese agaisnt us, and we are better and have more depth at every posstion.

Also I NEVER ONCE SAID THE DUCKS WERE BETTER THAN US, JUST THAT THEY WOULD GIVE US MORE TROUBLE THAN THE OTHER BIG TEAMS IN THE WEST. And if you honestly feel more chills when we get Dallas matched up vs us in the playoffs than Anaheim your retarted. Not to long ago a team very similar to ours lost to a team very similar to anaheims.

Basically all im saying is that in my opinion (which is right), Anaheim would give us more fits than San Jose or Dallas. They match up well to all our weaknesses. Maybe San jose would kill Anaheim, maybe they woudlnt, even if they did that dosent stop them from matching up better vs us.

RE Bolded part:

If I am retarded by that logic you are even more so retarded as Dallas just beat Ana last year, and Dallas beat SJ!

And When ANA beat Det they had the following players on their roster that are no longer or were replaced by far inferior players:

Penner

Teemu

MacDonald

3 of their top 5 players from the year they beat the Wings. Your own logic in fact defeats what you are saying.

Plus Doug Weight is gone, Bert gone and even though he was a downgrade to Penner he put up 40 points that no is going to replace. SJ some how got worse, yet ANA didn't??????

4 of Dal's top 6 are top forward on ANA, 3 of SJ are top forward on ANA, so how in the hell will they be beaten by the Ducks.

Because 2 years ago the Ducks beat the wings this year they have a better chance than a team that dismantled them in the playoffs this past season, not two years ago but last year!!!!

LAST YEAR (NOT 2 SEASON AGO) THE DUCKS LOST TO THE STARS!!!! Do you happen to know why, because they couldn't score, and when the stars beat the ducks they had a less than healthy Zubov.

I pointed out already who SJ added to their team, and regardless they are better than what ANA added to their roster. SJ has the better goaltender, has the better offense and has a top 10 at best D. But if the two teams played in a 7 game series SJ can score 2-3 goals a game against a very good d, while the Duck will be lucky to score 2 goals on a better than average D.

Corey Perry will not carry this team they way Teemu could have, and in order to fit Teemu they will have to weaken their impressive D to fit the O.

Edited July 8, 2008 by Opie

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

How has San Jose not gotten worse? Losing Rivet+Carle+Campbell for Rob Blake who is extetped to be there top shut down guy, and Dan boyle is A HORRIBLE DOWNGRADE. And if you honeslty see Dallas giving us fits, AT ALL you are Delusional. Turco plays like swiss cheese agaisnt us, and we are better and have more depth at every posstion.

Also I NEVER ONCE SAID THE DUCKS WERE BETTER THAN US, JUST THAT THEY WOULD GIVE US MORE TROUBLE THAN THE OTHER BIG TEAMS IN THE WEST. And if you honestly feel more chills when we get Dallas matched up vs us in the playoffs than Anaheim your retarted. Not to long ago a team very similar to ours lost to a team very similar to anaheims.

Basically all im saying is that in my opinion (which is right), Anaheim would give us more fits than San Jose or Dallas. They match up well to all our weaknesses. Maybe San jose would kill Anaheim, maybe they woudlnt, even if they did that dosent stop them from matching up better vs us.

Oh and btw I agree Corey Perry is a joke of an elite forward, but Getzlaf is a far better player and if they somehow still get Selanne back they will be more of a threat

Yeah, because those hard hitting teams really were effective beating the Wings the past couple years. The Wings beat the hard-hitting, superior goaltending Flames in the 06/07 playoffs, *were a couple injuries away from beating the Ducks last year*, and proved this year they are tougher to play against while frusterating teams in the playoffs that try and play them gritty.

Campbell never seemed to be much of an option other than a rental, Blake is still a tough to play against Dman, and Boyle can get the puck up front in a hurry. If the Sharks can score early and often like they had been able to against the Wings in the 06/07 playoffs, they'll be much better shutting down their opponents now with the Blake and Boyle on the backend, and a coach that isn't the definition of a playoff failure.

BTW, calling people retarded because they don't see things your way is a great way of getting your point across.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Scratch that, EZBAKETHEGANGSTA said we're "retarted" not "retarded".

So that must mean at one point I was a "tart" and then someone "re-tarted" me?

Edited July 8, 2008 by Never Forget Mac #25

[Opie 308]

You were once sour, some one made you sweet and then you were retarted!!!!

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Yeah, because those hard hitting teams really were effective beating the Wings the past couple years. The Wings beat the hard-hitting, superior goaltending Flames in the 06/07 playoffs, *were a couple injuries away from beating the Ducks last year*, and proved this year they are tougher to play against while frusterating teams in the playoffs that try and play them gritty.

Campbell never seemed to be much of an option other than a rental, Blake is still a tough to play against Dman, and Boyle can get the puck up front in a hurry. If the Sharks can score early and often like they had been able to against the Wings in the 06/07 playoffs, they'll be much better shutting down their opponents now with the Blake and Boyle on the backend, and a coach that isn't the definition of a playoff failure.

BTW, calling people retarded because they don't see things your way is a great way of getting your point across.

Show me one point in my post where i said the ducks were better than the Wings. I just said they would give the wings more fits, moreso than San Jose and Dallas. Your own example betrays your point, as we didn't win the cup when we vsed those Hard hitting teams. The same could not be said when we vsed skill first teams such as Dallas and Colorado.

I fail to see how the Sharks getting worse and the Wings geting bigger equate to them being a threat. The Ducks match up better vs than the Wings than San Jose, and nothing you could ever say would make me take that back, as all your examples just betray your point. We beat San jose in 06-07 and they have only gotten worse since than. Anaheim beat us in 06-07 and have gotten worse but are still more of a threat than San Jose.

Btw: Acting superieor and making fun of peoples spelling isn't the earth-shattering shut down that you think it is. Someone could come up with the most well thought response and compeletly own me and I still woudln't care cause this is online. This isn't real life, and seeing as your "diss" was far from biting I dont really care that I dont put my posts through rough drafts.

Edit: If you actually belive the Stars are anything but a mere pretender, please expalin how. They were destroyed in every faccet of the game last year, and only won 2 games vs us cause game 5 we just didnt care and game 6 Osgood had his one somewhat shakey game of the playoffs. Turco is still the most overated goalie in the leauge, right before Nabokov, their offense is well worse than ours, we are bigger and more physical than them, and our defense is far better. The Stars DO NOT HAVE A CHANCE should they vs us, barring no major injuries

Edited July 8, 2008 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[Opie 308]

Yet the Ducks with less offense and who are in desperate need of getting rid of their #3 d-man, who were owned by the stars last year some how have a better chance to beat the wings?

Nevermind I get it, because the Ducks are NA heavy and hit and fight and play a scrappy game they have the better chance. It has absolutely nothing to do with who is the better team you just think that the Ducks style of play would be better to beat up the wings and win a series as opposed to a team beating them with actual skill.

So you are back to buying into the theory that the best way to beat the wings is to beat them up.

The Ducks will be very very lucky to make the playoffs this year so the odds of them facing either Det, SJ, or Dallas in a series is very very likely.

Det

SJ

Cal (some one from that division has to be in the top 3)

Dal

Chi

Min

Ana

Nas

is how I see the top 8 filling out, but that is just a guess, with no offense and a great d that is soon to be weakened. Not to mention everyone knows Burke is in salary cap hell, and no one will want to help out when they can wait and get him for free, you know sort of like Bryz last year.

If this team has an injury to one of its top 4 dmen or top 3 forwards they will be in a deep deep hole, they have 6 dmen right now, and need to get rid of one.

Edited July 8, 2008 by Opie

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Yet the Ducks with less offense and who are in desperate need of getting rid of their #3 d-man, who were owned by the stars last year some how have a better chance to beat the wings?

They still play harder and grittier than dallas, have a good top line albeit no depth, and a better defense than both those teams combined along with a better goalie. That constitutes as more of a threat in my books.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Show me one point in my post where i said the ducks were better than the Wings. I just said they would give the wings more fits, moreso than San Jose and Dallas. Your own example betrays your point, as we didn't win the cup when we vsed those Hard hitting teams. The same could not be said when we vsed skill first teams such as Dallas and Colorado.

No, my point was that the Wings were *a couple injuries* away from winning that series. The Wings were the better team and had they been healthy, its is my opinion that they would've moved on.

I fail to see how the Sharks getting worse and the Wings geting bigger equate to them being a threat.

If that were the *correct* case, I would have to agree. However, IMO the Sharks did get better just as the Wings did.

I fail to see how the Sharks getting worse and the Wings geting bigger equate to them being a threat. The Ducks match up better vs than the Wings than San Jose, and nothing you could ever say would make me take that back, as all your examples just betray your point. We beat San jose in 06-07 and they have only gotten worse since than. Anaheim beat us in 06-07 and have gotten worse but are still more of a threat than San Jose.

My examples don't betray my points, you just fail to see or recognize them.

Btw: Acting superieor and making fun of peoples spelling isn't the earth-shattering shut down that you think it is. Someone could come up with the most well thought response and compeletly own me and I still woudln't care cause this is online. This isn't real life, and seeing as your "diss" was far from biting I dont really care that I dont put my posts through rough drafts.

I'm acting superior by making a joke? I was simply just doing that....making a joke. What isn't funny or a way of making your point valid is calling people retarded if they don't agree with you.

Edit: If you actually belive the Stars are anything but a mere pretender, please expalin how. They were destroyed in every faccet of the game last year, and only won 2 games vs us cause game 5 we just didnt care and game 6 Osgood had his one somewhat shakey game of the playoffs. Turco is still the most overated goalie in the leauge, right before Nabokov, their offense is well worse than ours, we are bigger and more physical than them, and our defense is far better. The Stars DO NOT HAVE A CHANCE should they vs us, barring no major injuries

They're not a mere pretender because Turco now has confidence heading into the playoffs and they have more *balance* than the Ducks. What makes the Ducks anything but a pretender next year?

Edit: Addition

Edited July 8, 2008 by Never Forget Mac #25