islanders fire ted nolan

[Vincanni 1]

Reminds me of the Mariucci firing.

[LeftWinger 5,136]

...can you say, next Associate Coach for the Detroit Red Wings...

[Guest Crymson]

Well, I guess this move makes room for Marc Crawford to pick up the job.

If that actually happened, the Islanders would be condemned to 30th in the league for the duration of his contract.

[auxlepli 17]

Seems like a bad move to me too.

I can't think of anyone better who's also available.

[edicius 3,269]

Suffice to say that the only reason that Nolan was fired is because he wouldn't say "Yes, sir, Mr. Wang, sir. Whatever you say, sir, Mr. Wang, sir." Like everyone else on the Isles payroll is forced to do.

Exactly what I was thinking. This firing has all the signs of Wang and not Snow (aside from Snow being another puppet to the Wang machine).

[jvxp 0]

Nolan can make crap teams overachieve. Who is out there that can take that Islanders team and do better? Their leading scorer last year had 49 points.

Agreed, he is a good coach.

[russianswede919293 95]

Okay, I think that this is a more complicated issue than most people think. In my opinion Garth Snow gets a lot of heat that he doesn't deserve, he does the best with what he is given. Its hard to win with an owner like Charles Wang, and Snow has to do what Wang tells him to or he is out of a job, and until he establishes himself as a respectable GM he cannot afford to lose his job because he won't get another one. Garth Snow is a young GM that is up and coming, and is trying to build a reputation before he can afford to find another job, and that means accepting what Wang tells him to do.

Now Wang tells Snow that since in Nolan's first year he took a bunch of overachieving nobodies to the playoffs that it is best for the team to continue letting high-priced players leave and bring in the nobodies. In addition to that the Islanders have pretty much sucked for the last 15 years, and no offense to the Long Islanders, but its a bunch of farm land, who wants to play for them...NOBODY...

So Snow has to try to piece a s*** puzzle into a golden nugget. I think he does a decent job for the fact that he'll only be able to attract 2nd-3rd tier Free Agents until the Islanders establish themselves. I mean he pulled the Smyth deal out of his hat at deadline that got them into the playoffs 2 years ago, and he threw a bunch of money at Smyth, he just didn't want to stay, that is not his fault (similar issue to the Campbell-San Jose scenario).

Now Nolan wants to get better talent and complains to Snow, and Snow says listen Ted its not going to happen. Ted gets pissed but Snow's options are now defy Ted Nolan and hire a new coach or defy Charles Wang, and get a new job (which at his prestige would be tough).

Garth is in between a rock and a hard place and is just trying to make a name for himself, and I think that Wang deserves the blame on this one, but Snow will get cast aside as a joke by hockey fans, even though I don't think he is, he is getting experience, and I think will be a pretty good GM when he is done with it. I mean Satan was overpaid, and Fedotenko is alright, but he got Guerin (who hopefully can turn it around) and Streit who should be a good PP addition.

I also think Nolan is escaping some blame here. This is the second time he has lost a job due to disagreements with the upper-level management. I am not saying that he is the sole source of blame, just that to me it seems that losing your only 2 NHL jobs because you didn't get along with management means that you probably not a very easy person to get along with, and that maybe despite your talent as a coach you are not employable due to your attitude.

Again here I am taking extremes to prove my point that this isn't just because of Garth Snow, and that he isn't a bad GM like all the hockey world seems to say, he is just inexperienced.

I think that it is part Nolan's fault, part Snow's fault, and mostly Wang's fault.

EDIT: Nobody here can tell me that they have NEVER been in a position where they have had to do things that they didn't agree with because thats what the boss says and you know that it will be hard to find another job at the same level. Those are Garth Snow's shoes, and not even the hockey world is exempt from the reality of the working world.

It is a position that Snow is in and accepts and a position that I think Ted Nolan has trouble accepting, which is why he has lost 2 jobs to disagreements with management.

Edited July 14, 2008 by russianswede919293

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Essay much?

[Earthhuman 8]

Essay much?

Well it clarified things for me. My hockey history needs brushed up now and again for these things. Thanks Russianswede.

[russianswede919293 95]

Well it clarified things for me. My hockey history needs brushed up now and again for these things. Thanks Russianswede.

Your welcome, and to the other guy, if its too long for you you don't need to read it, I didn't really repeat myself too often, and I felt and valid explanation was needed. If I said, Nolan is hard to get along with Snow is not a bad GM, it would have not had the same effect as my post in my opinion.

[Outsider 42]

Your welcome, and to the other guy, if its too long for you you don't need to read it, I didn't really repeat myself too often, and I felt and valid explanation was needed. If I said, Nolan is hard to get along with Snow is not a bad GM, it would have not had the same effect as my post in my opinion.

russianswede....

Perhaps valid points until you take into consideration a few points:

Garth Snow is now, has always been, will always be, a loud mouth. During his playing career, he let his mouth and his fists do his talking on the ice, because his skill as a goaltender certainly couldn't. The man has all the tact of a polar bear with PMS.

Upon dismissing Dubielewicz, (after his amazing heroics in dragging the Isles into the play-offs in '06-'07), Snow stated that it was because Wade had come into camp out of shape, struggled to start the season, and therefore the Coaching Staff and Team had lost confidence in him. Never mind, of course, that the entire TEAM sucked, and that Wade was thrown in cold one game every two months or so, and usually in relief once the game was already out of hand.

Part of the "differing philosophies" between Snow and Nolan was that when the LI Press asked NOLAN, he came out and stated point blank that he, as the Head Coach, never lost faith in Wade, that he was very appreciative of everything Dubie had done for the Org, and that he'd called him upon learning of his "dismissal", to personally thank him for his efforts on behalf the the Team.

That rubbed Snow and Wang the wrong way. There will be no dissent amongst the rank and file. Not in WangLand, no siree.

Also bear in mind that Snow was hired not because of what he was capable of doing, but because of what he was WILLING to do.

"Yes sir, Mr. Wang, sir. Anything you say, sir, Mr. Wang, sir."

Edited July 15, 2008 by Outsider

[Dabura 12,232]

What a s*** organization. I mean really.

[Vladiator 116]

What a s*** organization. I mean really.

Completely agree. I think Nolan just went from one bad front office to another in his career. I always thought that he has been a great coach and has just been paired with bad management. Would love to see him as an AC here.

[wingfanatic4alltime 32]

wasnt the Buffalo situation mostly because of Hasek. Great move on the lions err i mean islanders part

[Icer 0]

First Hasek runs him out of Buffalo. Now Snow runs him out of NY. Nolan must hate goalies.

[Opie 308]

...can you say, next Associate Coach for the Detroit Red Wings...

I only quoted you because you're the last person I saw bring this up.

I don't see how this could end up being a bad match, it is not like Nolan is a fiery arrogant coach. He appears (not being an Isle or Sabres fan I am not 100% sure of that eval) to be a very even keeled and a heady type of guy.

I could see his style fitting in with Babcock's very well, I could see him using this opportunity in a very similar way to Hossa, come to Detroit coach one year under a great system and then hope to get picked off of the vine like McClellan.

The more I read of this proposal on here the more I like it, the only question being is is Nolan willing to be an assistant or is he looking to be the head guy.

I still think the timing of this was almost as bad as the firing of Willie Randolph, it is like they waited until the point in time where no one else could hire him as the head guy, pretty s***ty in my book. If you want to get rid of a guy, let him go and give him a chance to persue other options.

Edited July 15, 2008 by Opie

[Turkey 0]

The only thing that's going to help this team is new ownership. Wang and his pet "GM" are killing that franchise.

[C-TownWing 0]

I only quoted you because you're the last person I saw bring this up.

I don't see how this could end up being a bad match, it is not like Nolan is a fiery arrogant coach. He appears (not being an Isle or Sabres fan I am not 100% sure of that eval) to be a very even keeled and a heady type of guy.

I could see his style fitting in with Babcock's very well, I could see him using this opportunity in a very similar way to Hossa, come to Detroit coach one year under a great system and then hope to get picked off of the vine like McClellan.

The more I read of this proposal on here the more I like it, the only question being is is Nolan willing to be an assistant or is he looking to be the head guy.

I still think the timing of this was almost as bad as the firing of Willie Randolph, it is like they waited until the point in time where no one else could hire him as the head guy, pretty s***ty in my book. If you want to get rid of a guy, let him go and give him a chance to persue other options.

Nolan skyrocketed on my class-o-meter for letting Al Arbour coach that one game this past season to get to 1500. Pretty much entirely his idea too (source http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/19851257/).

The idea came from Nolan, who grew tired of what he saw on a ceiling-to-floor clear plastic board in the hallway leading to the team’s dressing room that highlights Islanders award winners and all kinds of statistical achievements.

“Every day it would kill me when I’d see Coach Arbour made it to 1,499 games,” Nolan said in the statement.

He spoke to Arbour earlier this week, and the one-day coaching plan was hatched.

Here's hoping he doesn't have to wait another 9 years for an NHL job, whether it's assistant coach for us or something else.

[Rivalred 630]

The only thing that's going to help this team is new ownership. Wang and his pet "GM" are killing that franchise.

Turkey,

I can not believe you just said Wang and Pet in the same sentence...

[LeftWinger 5,136]

I only quoted you because you're the last person I saw bring this up.

I don't see how this could end up being a bad match, it is not like Nolan is a fiery arrogant coach. He appears (not being an Isle or Sabres fan I am not 100% sure of that eval) to be a very even keeled and a heady type of guy.

I could see his style fitting in with Babcock's very well, I could see him using this opportunity in a very similar way to Hossa, come to Detroit coach one year under a great system and then hope to get picked off of the vine like McClellan.

The more I read of this proposal on here the more I like it, the only question being is is Nolan willing to be an assistant or is he looking to be the head guy.

I still think the timing of this was almost as bad as the firing of Willie Randolph, it is like they waited until the point in time where no one else could hire him as the head guy, pretty s***ty in my book. If you want to get rid of a guy, let him go and give him a chance to persue other options.

...and I am quoting you cause we actually agree on this, imagine that!

...anyhow, yeah, if Nolan would want to be an asst. would be the only question, but if he wants to win a Cup, maybe he should consider being one, since, even factoring in the "repeat factor" Detroit IS favored to win again. And last I checked, they are really the only favored team with an open coaching position. PLUS, he would bring a ton of coaching experience to the already top flight staff. He's been a great coach for a long time (on some crappy teams) and really deserves a shot at the Cup! Holland shoud have already been on the phone! Maybe he has and Nolan is not interested or maybe he would cost too much, but heck, to repeat an infamous quote on this forum...

...GET IT DONE KENNY!

[Satan81 0]

Let's see a G.M. who a signs a goalie who at best is an unproven/semi-average goaltender. 15 years for 68 million dollars proves what kind of idiot this guy is, hell this puts him on the level of moronic foolishness with Gary THE FOOL Buttman. Not only did these idiots fire Ted (the most underrated coach their is) Nolan but they let Miro Satan loose which led to the Pens snagging hin for one year. I'm having Isiah Thomas flashbacks in the incompetence era. One good thing as much as the NHL is slurping Sid the Kid that means I'll get to see more Miro, while Sid gets whored out by the NHL I get to enjoy more Satan games here in the Western Conference/midwest!!!

Pieces

Satan81

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...and I am quoting you cause we actually agree on this, imagine that!

...anyhow, yeah, if Nolan would want to be an asst. would be the only question, but if he wants to win a Cup, maybe he should consider being one, since, even factoring in the "repeat factor" Detroit IS favored to win again. And last I checked, they are really the only favored team with an open coaching position. PLUS, he would bring a ton of coaching experience to the already top flight staff. He's been a great coach for a long time (on some crappy teams) and really deserves a shot at the Cup! Holland shoud have already been on the phone! Maybe he has and Nolan is not interested or maybe he would cost too much, but heck, to repeat an infamous quote on this forum...

...GET IT DONE KENNY!

There is no repeat factor. Statisically a team that just won the cup wins it again more than any of the other 29 teams. Only problem is there is 29 teams.

Mathmatically:

On paper every team has a 3.3 chance to win a cup. From 1991 on there have been too repeats (pens and us) so out of that 2/16 seasons were repeat champions, or 12.5%. Statically we have over 4 times as good of a chance than anyone else. The only problem is there are a lot of "everybody elses" hahaha.

Hockey Logic: The wing were far and away the best team last year. Our only major loss was a gritty playoff warrior, who did absouloutly nothing in the regular season, but showed up in the playoffs. While his loss will be noted, we have a lot of other heart and soul players (allthough I wouldnt be opposed to adding another one whose name is chris neil =) ), we have effictavly traded a physical 4th line for an allstar winger who is also decently physical better defensivly, loads more offensive talent, and bigger. We also have a more stable goaltending crop, our younger players will have only improved, and Stewart will be more used to our system.

In short, we should be MUCH BETTER.

[LeftWinger 5,136]

There is no repeat factor. Statisically a team that just won the cup wins it again more than any of the other 29 teams. Only problem is there is 29 teams.

Mathmatically:

On paper every team has a 3.3 chance to win a cup. From 1991 on there have been too repeats (pens and us) so out of that 2/16 seasons were repeat champions, or 12.5%. Statically we have over 4 times as good of a chance than anyone else. The only problem is there are a lot of "everybody elses" hahaha.

Hockey Logic: The wing were far and away the best team last year. Our only major loss was a gritty playoff warrior, who did absouloutly nothing in the regular season, but showed up in the playoffs. While his loss will be noted, we have a lot of other heart and soul players (allthough I wouldnt be opposed to adding another one whose name is chris neil =) ), we have effictavly traded a physical 4th line for an allstar winger who is also decently physical better defensivly, loads more offensive talent, and bigger. We also have a more stable goaltending crop, our younger players will have only improved, and Stewart will be more used to our system.

In short, we should be MUCH BETTER.

...which is why Ted Nolan should accept an asst. role hear for that chance to win a Cup. Then who knows, after he wins a Cup or two, other teams will be knocking on his door begging him to be their Head Coach...

...not question here! KENNY! DO IT! NOLAN! ACCEPT IT!

[Outsider 42]

First Hasek runs him out of Buffalo. Now Snow runs him out of NY. Nolan must hate goalies.

I'd say that DiPietro was the goaltender most responsible for Nolan's ExIsle.

And Nolan doesn't hate goalies. But he DOES hate primadonna's. Rumor has it that Rick's own Teammates call him "the Diva".

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Nolan may be a good coach, but if you can't get a group of guys that can fit into a coaches preferred style of play, and the coach isnt willing to explore new styles, a change can be a good move. Doesn't mean they want a better coach than Nolan. Just a different coach.

Look what happened with Babcock in the playoffs in 06 versus 07. Same coach, but with some sizeable (ego-wise at least) changes to his roster, the team performed much better when it counted, becuase they better suited Babs' coaching style..