Which of These Players Should Make the Hall of Fame?

[FedorovYzerman1991 0]

Osgood led the NHL in GGA in the regular season, as well as playoffs. Greatness.

It is hard to be a vezina winner in detroit, because lately it isn't starter/backup.

it is starter A and Starter B. True?

If ozzie gets a lot of games in 08/09, he will win the majority of them because...

A. He is Damn good

B. Our defence is one of the best.

Good point though. he is a very underrated goaltender. and you kind of just proved it.

In My Opinion though, he is great.

Even more-so this past season than 10 seasons ago

Edited August 9, 2008 by FedorovYzerman1991

[drupha 0]

Osgood led the NHL in GGA in the regular season, as well as playoffs. Greatness.

It is hard to be a vezina winner in detroit, because lately it isn't starter/backup.

it is starter A and Starter B. True?

If ozzie gets a lot of games in 08/09, he will win the majority of them because...

A. He is Damn good

B. Our defence is one of the best.

Good point though. he is a very underrated goaltender. and you kind of just proved it.

In My Opinion though, he is great.

Even more-so this past season than 10 seasons ago

WTF is GGA?

Assuming you're talking about goals against average (GAA), it's an entirely overrated statistic, especially in Detroit, because he faces significantly less shots per game, which makes it easier to keep a low GAA. I think Starter A/Starter B says that the coaching staff didn't have full faith in either goalie, but had more in a past his prime Dom, as he started the playoffs. This season, when some of our defenseman were hurt, Ozzie really struggled.

He's definitely better now than he was 10 seasons ago. I feel that he's underrated too. He's not great though. If he were great, the board wouldn't get wood thinking that Ryan Miller was going to come here next season (before he reupped in Buffalo).

[CloudConnected 0]

Rob Blake

Peter Forsberg

Pavel Bure

Adam Foote

Sergey Zubov

Paul Kariya

Keith Tkachuk

Alexander Mogilny

Mark Recchi

Vincent Damphousse

Joe Nieuwendyk

Pierre Turgeon

Peter Bondra

For me personally, I think Forsberg, Blake, Foote, Recchi and Niewendyk are all guys who should make it. Bure is the one that I'm mixed about. The others I don't believe should make it. Who do you guys think should get in from this list?

With all of the great classes that will be coming up in the next few years, it's hard to say if any of these guys will be first-ballot guys. Forsberg and Bure have a chance, but I think that people in this forum do make Bure out to be a better player than he was. He was a GREAT goal scorer, had wheels...but not much after that. Even though I'm not a Fedorov fan, he was a better player than Bure. Plus, Bure had some injury plagued seasons and his teams were never that great except for a 2 or 3 of those Canucks teams. That being said, he'll get in, but I don't know about first ballot.

As far as the other guys on the list go, I think Joe Nieuwendyk and Mark Recchi have a good chance. These guys were great players in their prime. Recchi was especially good on the right side, he's always been kind of a quiet player though. I think he has a shot, and Joe played good hockey his entire career. He's got a Smythe, a Calder and was solid.

I think Zubov could make it, he's just another one of those quiet guys. He's like a poor man's Lidstrom, and he doesn't have the hardware that makes his name jump out. He's been quietly great over the long haul though.

Kariya...injuries during his prime. It's hard to put him down as a sure thing. Foote...maybe. He's not a good defender, but he has a Norris and was a highly visible player. Mogilny and Bondra were too streaky. They could go eventually if there's a weaker class, but i don't see them getting in too soon.

Also, I would like to add Dave Andreychuk to the list. 640 career goals is hard to leave out, even if he did play over 20 years. Longevity and success should count for something. What does everyone think about Andreychuk?

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Rob Blake...NO

Peter Forsberg...YES

Pavel Bure...YES

Adam Foote...NO

Sergey Zubov...YES

Paul Kariya...NO

Keith Tkachuk...NO

Alexander Mogilny...YES

Mark Recchi...NO

Vincent Damphousse...NO

Joe Nieuwendyk...YES

Pierre Turgeon...NO

Peter Bondra...NO

[eva unit zero 271]

I've always thought that the Hall of Fame should tighten the standards so that it's not the Hall of Solid Careers. Joe Nieuwendyk was a good, solid player for his entire career, but he was never "the guy."

At one point in their careers, Bure was the best goal scorer, and Forsberg was considered by many the best all around player. Chris Osgood, until this year, was considered the NHL's equivalent of Trent Dilfer in that his team won (in 98) in spite of him and not because of him. This season he definitely redeemed himself, but still likely isn't in the top 5 goaltenders in the league. While he's had successes, he's had more than enough high profile failures at inopportune times to be a shoe in for the "Let the puck in from beyond the blue line/center ice" HOF. We owe a large part of this last Stanley Cup win to him, but he's no Hall of Famer.

These are my top five Ozzie memories...

5) Osgood scores

That's like saying that one of your top-five Datsyuk memories was him fighting Roberts. Nice highlight, but has NOTHING to do with his performance.

4) Osgood gets yanked in 97, SC won

You must have a really poor memory, because there was no 'Osgood yanked' there. In fact, Osgood has never lost the starting position during a playoff run in the manner that Hasek did this spring. Never; not once. He's stolen it a couple times from other guys, though.

3) Jamie Langenbrunner scores the game winner from half way in 98 during a key game, we win the cup anyways

What happened the next game? Oh, right....Osgood shut out the Stars, who out-shot the Wings that game, to win the series.

2) Osgood wins the 08 Cup, and should've won the Conn Smythe

This is #2?

1) Osgood crying in the locker room after we got knocked out by SJ after he let in another goal from center ice

Two questions. How do you get "Another" when this would have been the first center ice goal (the others you are referencing came four years later) and the fact that it came from the high slot on a failed clearing attempt means it was not, in fact, a center ice goal at all.

Chris Osgood has never won the Vezina trophy. Jim Carey 1, Chris Osgood 0. Can you really put someone in the hall of fame who was never, ever the best at anything. He was likely only top 3 in a few of the years he played. And yes, I do realize that he played in a good era of goalies and Red Wings goalies are always overlooked because of the stellar defense. To that I say he wouldn't have dominated any era, and that he wasn't a standout when he left the wings for a spell.

So to summarize, Chris Osgood was and is a good, but not great, and certainly not elite goaltender.

Chris Osgood will finish his career with over 400 wins, two Stanley Cups as a starter where he was top-three in Smythe voting, and a boatload of other HOF-caliber stats. He was a Vezina contender during the overlapping primes of three goaltenders who are considered by many to be the best ever (Hasek, Brodeur, Roy) and is still a Vezina contender now. If you can find me another goaltender who has achieved as much as Osgood will have, regular season and playoffs, by the time he retires and DIDN'T make the Hall, then you can say he's not a HOF goalie. As there are not many goaltenders who have achieved that level of stats and accomplishments, it might be a difficult task for you.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

With all of the great classes that will be coming up in the next few years, it's hard to say if any of these guys will be first-ballot guys. Forsberg and Bure have a chance, but I think that people in this forum do make Bure out to be a better player than he was. He was a GREAT goal scorer, had wheels...but not much after that. Even though I'm not a Fedorov fan, he was a better player than Bure. Plus, Bure had some injury plagued seasons and his teams were never that great except for a 2 or 3 of those Canucks teams. That being said, he'll get in, but I don't know about first ballot.

As far as the other guys on the list go, I think Joe Nieuwendyk and Mark Recchi have a good chance. These guys were great players in their prime. Recchi was especially good on the right side, he's always been kind of a quiet player though. I think he has a shot, and Joe played good hockey his entire career. He's got a Smythe, a Calder and was solid.

I think Zubov could make it, he's just another one of those quiet guys. He's like a poor man's Lidstrom, and he doesn't have the hardware that makes his name jump out. He's been quietly great over the long haul though.

Kariya...injuries during his prime. It's hard to put him down as a sure thing. Foote...maybe. He's not a good defender, but he has a Norris and was a highly visible player. Mogilny and Bondra were too streaky. They could go eventually if there's a weaker class, but i don't see them getting in too soon.

Also, I would like to add Dave Andreychuk to the list. 640 career goals is hard to leave out, even if he did play over 20 years. Longevity and success should count for something. What does everyone think about Andreychuk?

Andreychuk will definitely get in. That's why I didn't include him on the list as a borderline guy. That Cup in 2004 will put him over a guy like Ciccarrelli who never won one.

[eva unit zero 271]

Andreychuk will definitely get in. That's why I didn't include him on the list as a borderline guy. That Cup in 2004 will put him over a guy like Ciccarrelli who never won one.

Ok...so Andreychuk is a sure thing but Mark Recchi is a maybe? WTF?

[LeftWinger 5,152]

That's like saying that one of your top-five Datsyuk memories was him fighting Roberts. Nice highlight, but has NOTHING to do with his performance.

You must have a really poor memory, because there was no 'Osgood yanked' there. In fact, Osgood has never lost the starting position during a playoff run in the manner that Hasek did this spring. Never; not once. He's stolen it a couple times from other guys, though.

What happened the next game? Oh, right....Osgood shut out the Stars, who out-shot the Wings that game, to win the series.

This is #2?

Two questions. How do you get "Another" when this would have been the first center ice goal (the others you are referencing came four years later) and the fact that it came from the high slot on a failed clearing attempt means it was not, in fact, a center ice goal at all.

Chris Osgood will finish his career with over 400 wins, two Stanley Cups as a starter where he was top-three in Smythe voting, and a boatload of other HOF-caliber stats. He was a Vezina contender during the overlapping primes of three goaltenders who are considered by many to be the best ever (Hasek, Brodeur, Roy) and is still a Vezina contender now. If you can find me another goaltender who has achieved as much as Osgood will have, regular season and playoffs, by the time he retires and DIDN'T make the Hall, then you can say he's not a HOF goalie. As there are not many goaltenders who have achieved that level of stats and accomplishments, it might be a difficult task for you.

...that about puts that to bed! Ozzie in the Hall, Ozzie in the rafters... PERIOD!

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Ok...so Andreychuk is a sure thing but Mark Recchi is a maybe? WTF?

600 goals and a Stanley Cup is pretty unprecedented not to be in the HOF. Recchi is not a sure thing because of how long it took a guy like Glenn Anderson to make it.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Andreychuk is the all-time leader in PP goals. Take that for what it's worth, but a guy who could score goals like that should be in the HOF. And in case you're wondering, I also think Ciccarrelli should be in the HOF.

[eva unit zero 271]

600 goals and a Stanley Cup is pretty unprecedented not to be in the HOF. Recchi is not a sure thing because of how long it took a guy like Glenn Anderson to make it.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Andreychuk is the all-time leader in PP goals. Take that for what it's worth, but a guy who could score goals like that should be in the HOF. And in case you're wondering, I also think Ciccarrelli should be in the HOF.

Andreychuk was never a postseason All-Star. Not once. People in this very thread are saying that Osgood doesn't get into the Hall because he doesn't have a Vezina, yet Andreychuk was never even the SECOND best player at his position, historically the weakest position among the five, certainly considered 'weak' during Andreychuk's prime, is a lock for the Hall? Osgood has far more impressive stats, and has also been a more important player to Cup teams more often than Andreychuk. Andreychuk was a supporting player on one Cup team; Osgood was a core player on two. I guess I don't see how Andreychuk makes it into the Hall as a 'lock' but a guy like Mark Recchi, who was typically considered a much better player during their primes, which occurred at the same time, would be on the maybe list despite having been able to perform at a higher level for longer. Read the next three words carefully everybody. Goals. Aren't. Everything.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Andreychuk was never a postseason All-Star. Not once. People in this very thread are saying that Osgood doesn't get into the Hall because he doesn't have a Vezina, yet Andreychuk was never even the SECOND best player at his position, historically the weakest position among the five, certainly considered 'weak' during Andreychuk's prime, is a lock for the Hall? Osgood has far more impressive stats, and has also been a more important player to Cup teams more often than Andreychuk. Andreychuk was a supporting player on one Cup team; Osgood was a core player on two. I guess I don't see how Andreychuk makes it into the Hall as a 'lock' but a guy like Mark Recchi, who was typically considered a much better player during their primes, which occurred at the same time, would be on the maybe list despite having been able to perform at a higher level for longer. Read the next three words carefully everybody. Goals. Aren't. Everything.

That's funny coming from you, stat man.

Also, you're too biased towards Ozzie, so don't think the voters are going to share your bias. I have no feelings for Andreychuk one way or another. I just think he'll get in due to his consistency in scoring.

Recchi was never the best right winger in the league either. For that matter, I could argue that Sakic was never the best center in the league. What does any of this prove? Who cares if the guy wasn't the best at his position?

[Heaton 1]

two Stanley Cups as a starter where he was top-three in Smythe voting

Do you have a link for the Conn Smythe voting numbers? I'd love to see some past stats on that.

[eva unit zero 271]

That's funny coming from you, stat man.

Also, you're too biased towards Ozzie, so don't think the voters are going to share your bias. I have no feelings for Andreychuk one way or another. I just think he'll get in due to his consistency in scoring.

Recchi was never the best right winger in the league either. For that matter, I could argue that Sakic was never the best center in the league. What does any of this prove? Who cares if the guy wasn't the best at his position?

Recchi was recognized on the postseason All-Star team. So was Osgood, for that matter. And Neely, and Anderson, and Oates. Andreychuk never received that honor. He was never considered that good relative to his peers. That was my point.

[Doggy 130]

Andreychuk was never a postseason All-Star. Not once. People in this very thread are saying that Osgood doesn't get into the Hall because he doesn't have a Vezina, yet Andreychuk was never even the SECOND best player at his position, historically the weakest position among the five, certainly considered 'weak' during Andreychuk's prime, is a lock for the Hall? Osgood has far more impressive stats, and has also been a more important player to Cup teams more often than Andreychuk. Andreychuk was a supporting player on one Cup team; Osgood was a core player on two. I guess I don't see how Andreychuk makes it into the Hall as a 'lock' but a guy like Mark Recchi, who was typically considered a much better player during their primes, which occurred at the same time, would be on the maybe list despite having been able to perform at a higher level for longer. Read the next three words carefully everybody. Goals. Aren't. Everything.

So Ozzy can get into the Hall despite never being the best at his position because he has redeeming stats and accomplishments but Andreychuk's redeeming stats and accomplishments don't matter because you don't like him as much as Osgood.

Got it.

[eva unit zero 271]

So Ozzy can get into the Hall despite never being the best at his position because he has redeeming stats and accomplishments but Andreychuk's redeeming stats and accomplishments don't matter because you don't like him as much as Osgood.

Got it.

No; I asked why Andreychuk is a lock but Recchi is not to make the Hall even though in their primes, which occurred at the same time, Recchi was generally considered the better player most years. I pointed out that Andreychuk was never considered the best at his position, and that argument was used against Osgood in this very thread with the 'He doesn't even have a Vezina' comments. I didn't say Andreychuk shouldn't make it, I was just questioning his 'lock' status while Recchi is placed on the 'maybe' list. Seemed odd. Kind of like placing Zubov as a lock and then sticking Scott Stevens on your 'maybe' list. Nothing wrong with including both as a yes answer, but one should clearly be ahead of the other.

[Doggy 130]

No; I asked why Andreychuk is a lock but Recchi is not to make the Hall even though in their primes, which occurred at the same time, Recchi was generally considered the better player most years. I pointed out that Andreychuk was never considered the best at his position, and that argument was used against Osgood in this very thread with the 'He doesn't even have a Vezina' comments. I didn't say Andreychuk shouldn't make it, I was just questioning his 'lock' status while Recchi is placed on the 'maybe' list. Seemed odd. Kind of like placing Zubov as a lock and then sticking Scott Stevens on your 'maybe' list. Nothing wrong with including both as a yes answer, but one should clearly be ahead of the other.

On this occasion I don't disagree with you but you're inconsistent with your arguments. Stats only seem to matter when they say what you want them to.

[Superman54 91]

Pavel Bure would be my first pick from all those selections. The guy will always remind me of Datsyuk

[drupha 0]

That's like saying that one of your top-five Datsyuk memories was him fighting Roberts. Nice highlight, but has NOTHING to do with his performance.

I was just trying to point out that Ozzie has an assortment of memorable moments, but many of them weren't related to good goaltending. And for the record, I think that Datsyuk fighting Roberts was a really definitive moment. If he later becomes captain, this is what I'll remember as the seminal moment; when he took on a much bigger, much goonier player to defend a teammate. But I suppose that's not important in your mind either.

You must have a really poor memory, because there was no 'Osgood yanked' there. In fact, Osgood has never lost the starting position during a playoff run in the manner that Hasek did this spring. Never; not once. He's stolen it a couple times from other guys, though.

He and Vernon split time that entire year. He didn't start in the playoffs. He went from being either 1A/1B to 2. When you go from playing, to not playing, I consider that significant. He got yanked again before the playoffs this year. He got yanked and shipped out in 2002 when we got Hasek because the front office didn't feel that they could win with Ozzie. While he's never lost the starting job in the MIDST of a playoff run, it has caused significant offseason moves to bolster up the 'tender ranks.

What happened the next game? Oh, right....Osgood shut out the Stars, who out-shot the Wings that game, to win the series.

I think Scott Norwood made his next kick too. Osgood was lucky that the team still had some life to live.

Two questions. How do you get "Another" when this would have been the first center ice goal (the others you are referencing came four years later) and the fact that it came from the high slot on a failed clearing attempt means it was not, in fact, a center ice goal at all.

Another, because there was one previously mentioned in the list, so read in sequence, it was another. It made a lot more sense than saying "another" before I mentioned any at all. Picky, picky, eh?

Chris Osgood will finish his career with over 400 wins, two Stanley Cups as a starter where he was top-three in Smythe voting

Wins are an overrated stat. The Red Wings have long been one of the highest scoring teams in the league; for Ozzie's entire career in fact. If your team scores 4 goals in a game, so long as Kevin Hodson's not in net, you're probably going to win. I think the biggest case in point is this year's first round game 5 against the Preds. Chris Osgood got the win, Dan Ellis got the loss. Chris Osgood let in one goal on roughly 20 shots, and Dan Ellis let in two on roughly 55, and better quality shots for the most part to boot (The winner was on a breakaway). The win did not go to the best goalie in that game.

I also believe that Osgood could end up with more than two stanley cups, but I apparently have more faith than you. And I won't believe that he was top 3 in Conn Smythe voting in 98 unless I saw it. He let in at least two ridiculously soft goals that playoff run that cost the team.

I honestly believe he's a good player. I just think that your man crush on him is preventing you from seeing the truth and causing you to throw out useless stats like wins and GAA to try to prove his Hall of Fame Worthiness.

Edited August 10, 2008 by drupha

[eva unit zero 271]

In the time he played against Nashville, Chris Osgood allowed one goal on 54 shots. That's pretty good. It's a better save percentage than Dan Ellis had in the minutes both played, too. But your hate-on for Osgood won't let you see that the team didn't win in spite of him in 1998. You don't finish second in Smythe voting if your team wins in spite of you. It just doesn't happen.

The Hasek trade had more to do with the fact that Hasek was basically going to go one of two places; Detroit or St. Louis. Osgood was a good goalie coming off a down year, and the Wings as a team had had a disappointing playoff. The thought process was that Hasek was the best goalie in the league, so their options, as the thought process went, were upgrade over a very good goalie to a guy capable of carrying a bad team to the finals, or let that guy go to their most thretening division rival.

Holland has to make that trade. He improves his team and prevents an opponent from getting better. It wasn't about Osgood not being a good goalie; it was about Hasek being the best goalie in the world and coming to Detroit for a (relatively) cheap trade.

It's like Detroit trading for Schneider. They didn't really NEED to upgrade their defense at that point; they had entered the season with two First-team All-Stars from the previous year. But they did. Why? Because it was a relatively cheap trade; the roster players given up were not being considered in future plans, so it was basically picks for Schneider, whose skill set fit the Wings extremely well.

In fact, Schneider can be used again as a decent move by the Ducks and Brian Burke, as Schneider was Anaheim's best defenseman most of the season due largely to Niedermayer's absence and Pronger's off year. If not for Ken Holland being the best GM in the league and replacing Schneider with a better fit in Rafalski, it would have been taking away a core player from your biggest rival and adding him to your team, which is a huge move.

Sometimes trades and FA signings are not about 'which players do we need to replace' and more about the names coming in. It's like the Hossa signing. Wings signed Hossa! Great! Who sits? Who cares, it's HOSSA! That's the kind of move Hasek was. Not only did he not go to one of our rivals, but he came here.

Get it?

[eva unit zero 271]

On this occasion I don't disagree with you but you're inconsistent with your arguments. Stats only seem to matter when they say what you want them to.

Because I asked why the argument 'He was never the best' can be used to keep Osgood out completely, yet is not a valid reason to push Andreychuk from 'lock' to 'maybe' while the better forward, Recchi, who was generally considered to rank higher on the 'better' wing is a 'maybe' I am being inconsistent?

No. Asking about an opinion is not the same as claiming an opinion.

[ArcticWing 0]

Rob Blake Yes

Peter Forsberg Yes

Pavel Bure Yes

Adam Foote No

Sergey Zubov Maybe

Paul Kariya No

Keith Tkachuk No

Alexander Mogilny Yes

Mark Recchi Maybe

Vincent Damphousse No

Joe Nieuwendyk Yes

Pierre Turgeon No

Peter Bondra No

The question you gotta ask from yourself is, which ones you are really going to remember after two decades. It's takes more than only points to get nominated to HoF.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Rob Blake Yes

Peter Forsberg Yes

Pavel Bure Yes

Adam Foote No

Sergey Zubov Maybe

Paul Kariya No

Keith Tkachuk No

Alexander Mogilny Yes

Mark Recchi Maybe

Vincent Damphousse No

Joe Nieuwendyk Yes

Pierre Turgeon No

Peter Bondra No

The question you gotta ask from yourself is, which ones you are really going to remember after two decades. It's takes more than only points to get nominated to HoF.

I'll always remember Paul Kariya for his graceful dives and his Keanu Reeves lookalike appearance.

I'll always remember Adam Foote for being a dirty, ugly S.O.B. That still doesn't mean either of them should get in.

[ArcticWing 0]

I'll always remember Paul Kariya for his graceful dives and his Keanu Reeves lookalike appearance.

I'll always remember Adam Foote for being a dirty, ugly S.O.B. That still doesn't mean either of them should get in.

I wasn't implying that, if you remember someone after two decades he should automaticly get in. I'm just saying there's more than just points to make it in, and that "thing" separates legendary players from very good players. If you can't see what I mean, then there's nothing I can do about it. Certainly won't start arguing about it.

[CloudConnected 0]

600 goals and a Stanley Cup is pretty unprecedented not to be in the HOF. Recchi is not a sure thing because of how long it took a guy like Glenn Anderson to make it.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Andreychuk is the all-time leader in PP goals. Take that for what it's worth, but a guy who could score goals like that should be in the HOF. And in case you're wondering, I also think Ciccarrelli should be in the HOF.

I added Andreychuk because the list of players included players who were better than him. Nieuwendyk and Recchi were both better players throughout their careers, and both players have two cups to Dave's one. (Joe in Calgary and Dallas, and Recchi in Pittsburgh and Carolina) Recchi absolutely carried a few of the teams he was on in the early 90s, and Joe was always a highly regarded center. I'm not taking anything away from Andreychuk, but Recchi and Joe were on the list, and I felt Andreychuk would be in about the same tier as them.

Edited August 10, 2008 by CloudConnected

[FedorovYzerman1991 0]

he board wouldn't get wood thinking that Ryan Miller was going to come here next season (before he reupped in Buffalo).

Lmfao. Ryan Miller huh?

People want him in Detroit?

WHY?!?

I am perfectly happy with Osgood starting between the pipes.

My point was also that he would have had more wins, and probably led in wins if it wasn't for Hasek being an alternate starter.

I think Starter A/Starter B says that the coaching staff didn't have full faith in either goalie, but had more in a past his prime Dom, as he started the playoffs

It isn't that they didn't have enough faith in either goalie either, it was that we had two great goalies, both of which could get the job done. it would have been horrible for Hasek to start and let ozzie's skill just get wasted, and Vice-Versa. Hasek proved he was to old to compete in the playoffs, he has a good season.

He's definitely better now than he was 10 seasons ago. I feel that he's underrated too.

Chris Osgood will go down in the HHOF for the Best underrated goalie of all time.

Nobody ever thought he would lead a team to a stanley cup.

He has 3. Twice as a starter, and Once as a back up.

But i guess alot of us Red Wings fan are very Pesimistic, and Buy into everything the media has to say.

Just remember bro, If Ozzie wasn't good enough he wouldn't be playing in hockeytown.

Somebody in that staff see's something in him to keep him here..

And alot of the fans think Osgood is damn well good enough to stay here.

Better than Cujo,

Better than Legace, (i want him back though)

Better than Hasek.

This season, when some of our defenseman were hurt, Ozzie really struggled.

OF COURSE HE ******* STRUGGLED!

Thats like telling me my bass playing will struggle if i have 3 strings missing.

NO s*** YOU THINK?

Good defense men have nothing to do with making spectacular saves on shots headed towards you.

Just because our defense is damn good and doesn't let much go through, does not in any way mean our goalie is horrible.

When a teams blue line is riddled with injury, when does that team not struggle?

Even Nabokov would struggle with out his "Key Defense" healthy enough to back him up.

So that point is invalid as well.

Edited August 10, 2008 by FedorovYzerman1991