Players You're Glad Didn't Win It...

[arpawocky 0]

I will third Uwe Krupp and raise you an Ulf Samuelsson. Everybody else, I never really had a problem with.

[DMAC 25 18]

i would have to say lang and markov

[swedishconnection 36]

Hossa is cosmopolitan, even when he was with the Pens; he's not strongly allied with or attached to any club. Schneider had become a key part of the Wings; he was, dare I say, a staple. They were equally free to walk away from their respective teams, but it's easy to see how Schneider's decision "hurt" more.

Point being, comparing the two is kinda lame.

By being a lame comparison, is that one in which it displeases you simply because they are not with our beloved team anymore?

Schneider was at the end of his contract. Tested the waters. Took a higher number. It happens. He did it in a dignified way. Praised the team as he waved goodbye. No harm, no foul.

Do I take pleasure in the fact that he didnt win the cup simply because of a choice he made? no.

I am still shaking my head at people who feel so angry at Schneider and Shanny.

They both were staples. They both left. So did McLellan. See any tears? I dont think so. I wish them well, as they gave us everything while they were here. What more can you ask?

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Shanny signing with the Rangers rubbed me the wrong way, so I am only glad a little bit. He's given much more to the history of the team and the three Cups before that, which is why I ranked him 5th.

How so?

I really fail to see how there was any discontent or bitterness from either him or managment in him leaving. He felt it was time to move on and was part of the Wings past and not their future, both the Red Wings and Shanahan are for the better for him moving on and establishing a few decent years in a new place in New York.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I don't get the Shanahan bitterness either. It was a good move for both the Red Wings organization and Shanny. The Red Wings went in another direction, and Shanny got another opportunity to play in a place that he wanted. There was not, nor should there be, any resentment about moving on.

Be thankful for everything Shanny did for the Red Wings during his time here. Changing uniforms doesn't automatically make a player greedy or useless.

Edited August 13, 2008 by GoWings1905

[Gnredwing 10]

Hatcher aka immobile *****.... worst player the wings ever got, fat f*** he is!

[#19=Legend 29]

Hatcher aka immobile *****.... worst player the wings ever got, fat f*** he is!

win.

i remember in 04 i belive... the very last goal scored on the wings by the flames.

i remeber the next morning both my dad and i looked at eachother and said...."hatcher".

he f***ed up bad... damn he was AWUFUL

edit: link

Edited August 13, 2008 by #19=Legend

[henrik40 76]

Hatcher and Lang. Never liked Hatcher and was all about the Lang acquistion at first but he never panned out mostly because he was lazy.

[thedisappearer 291]

Ill still never understand the schneider hatred here... The dude had one last run at cash before hangin em up. He didnt piss on Yzerman's shoe or anything.

If anything if you dislike Schneids you should dislike Hossa for a few of the same reasons. Yeah, yeah... Hossa wasnt there very long but the idea remains the same.

Loose the cup to a team, then sign with said team for the next seaon. Apples, I'd like you to meet Apples.

If you like the Hossa pick up, then let Schnieder be. He didnt disgrace the team, or say anything bad about us. He just had bigger fish to fry.

So the fact that Hossa never actually signed a contract with Pittsburgh and Schneids DID sign one with Detroit is not relevant? Seems to me it's the heart of the issue.

[b.shanafan14 733]

Don't get the Shanny hate.... oh well, prolly Lang, definately Bertuzzi

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I'll kick anyone in the neck who says Feds. He got screwed by management's last minute change of the deal (they refused to give him more time to consider the changes in light of the shorter term they threw at him). He has every right to be bitter about how that deal went down. Plus he was absolutely essential to the 97, 98 and 02 cups.

That is all.

[eva unit zero 271]

Honestly, the only players I would really feel OK naming in a thread like this are players who did one or more of the following: were selfish, made negative contributions to the team mentally that outweighed their positive contributions and generally had a bad attitude, and/or left primarily due to greediness... I will also not name anyone who got their name on the Cup in 1997, 1998, 2002, or 2008, but will only name players who were playing in the league in at least one of those seasons. For example, guys like Dino Ciccarelli, and Gerard Gallant had all retired by then, so they wouldn't be considered even if they would have made the list. Obviously, this removes quite a few players from consideration by making it pretty much a list of recent players who left for negative reasons.

My top-5 list would be, in alphabetical order:

Sean Avery

Derian Hatcher

Uwe Krupp

Manny Legace

Keith Primeau

[TheCaptain19 49]

Ivana Kutchakokov

[#19=Legend 29]

I'll kick anyone in the neck who says Feds. He got screwed by management's last minute change of the deal (they refused to give him more time to consider the changes in light of the shorter term they threw at him). He has every right to be bitter about how that deal went down. Plus he was absolutely essential to the 97, 98 and 02 cups.

That is all.

feds

[Guest Dump-N-Thump]

So far only 1 avery

[Outsider 42]

I'm glad Yuri Butsayev didn't win one with the Wings. He just pissed me off when he was here with the way he played.

There's a name I haven't heard in awhile.

He's the guy who scored on Rick DiPietro, five-hole, from the blue line, a bit over 2:00 minutes into 2OT, to secure the Calder Cup for the Chicago Wolves in '02.

<sigh>

Oh....

And Sean Avery.

[Dabura 12,232]

By being a lame comparison, is that one in which it displeases you simply because they are not with our beloved team anymore?

I never said I was upset by Schneider's decision. If anything, I agree with the folks who said they were glad to see him go. My point was just that it's plain as day why someone would say Schneider's decision was "worse" than Hossa's. Hossa wasn't even a Pen for a whole season -- hardly a "staple" there.

[swedishconnection 36]

So the fact that Hossa never actually signed a contract with Pittsburgh and Schneids DID sign one with Detroit is not relevant? Seems to me it's the heart of the issue.

Fine, forget the Hossa comparison. It is obviously distracting from my point. Schneider was NOT under contract. He finished the one he signed with us. He signed a new one.

It just happened to be with a team that he thought he could win with, one that paid him more, and one that just won the cup.

Our Assistant coach just left.

Where is the pain? Where is the discontent? Where is the snide remarks? The two are equally comparable. The two are near-equal in "staple"-ness. ...Nothing?

Waiting...

[eva unit zero 271]

Fine, forget the Hossa comparison. It is obviously distracting from my point. Schneider was NOT under contract. He finished the one he signed with us. He signed a new one.

It just happened to be with a team that he thought he could win with, one that paid him more, and one that just won the cup.

Our Assistant coach just left.

Where is the pain? Where is the discontent? Where is the snide remarks? The two are equally comparable. The two are near-equal in "staple"-ness. ...Nothing?

Waiting...

I think the point being made re: Schneider was that Schneider's contract ended and he re-signed in 2005 IN DETROIT and finished that deal before he left for Anaheim. Hossa played less than four months as a Penguin and was up front in telling them he wanted to test the market. That statement typically means "I'm probably leaving." for deadline rentals.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

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[Guest Shoreline]

I'll kick anyone in the neck who says Feds. He got screwed by management's last minute change of the deal (they refused to give him more time to consider the changes in light of the shorter term they threw at him). He has every right to be bitter about how that deal went down. Plus he was absolutely essential to the 97, 98 and 02 cups.

That is all.

The 4 year/40 million deal wasn't the only deal the Wings gave him. They also gave him a 5 year/50, which he waited on, then rejected, which he dragged things along, then they tried the 4 year deal. This was all Feds doing, dragging it along so the Wings couldn't sign another player, because they were trying to sign him above everything else, therefore Feds is now on my list. Burn baby.

[Zion 93]

I found this thread kind of interesting.

Is this a love/ hate Zion?

http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.ph...c=48398&hl=

Love/hate, indeed. I thought he played very well with Lidstrom. Knowing what I know now, you're right... Lidstrom really does make his defense partner better.

I don't think any of us HATE Shanahan for leaving. I just think we were surprised that he took another offer. I'd have been just as disappointed if Drapes or Malts had left. Was it for the good of the team? Sure... look at our system now that we have our slower-footed forwards gone. But it doesn't mean I don't still hold a soft spot for seeing Shanny in the line-up. Or the Professor. Or Doug Brown.

I really should put Feds in 5th, instead of Shanny. And I can't believe I forgot about Hatcher and that OT goal. My wife had just called when OT started, and was on with me when they scored. Needless to say, she was glad she was at work that night...

[rick zombo 3,739]

Honestly, the only players I would really feel OK naming in a thread like this are players who did one or more of the following: were selfish, made negative contributions to the team mentally that outweighed their positive contributions and generally had a bad attitude, and/or left primarily due to greediness... I will also not name anyone who got their name on the Cup in 1997, 1998, 2002, or 2008, but will only name players who were playing in the league in at least one of those seasons. For example, guys like Dino Ciccarelli, and Gerard Gallant had all retired by then, so they wouldn't be considered even if they would have made the list. Obviously, this removes quite a few players from consideration by making it pretty much a list of recent players who left for negative reasons.

My top-5 list would be, in alphabetical order:

Sean Avery

Derian Hatcher

Uwe Krupp

Manny Legace

Keith Primeau

This seems like a good set of parameters. And I agree with the list.

To which I will add:

Markov

Bertuzzi

Schneider

Paul Coffey

Bob Essensa

Edited August 13, 2008 by rick zombo

[Zion 93]

I always liked Manny, despite his fragile psyche. Is that why everyone hates him? I know he didn't leave on the best of terms, but Lang got the same "We're not going to make you an offer" treatment when his contract was up. Did I miss something?

[b.shanafan14 733]

The 4 year/40 million deal wasn't the only deal the Wings gave him. They also gave him a 5 year/50, which he waited on, then rejected, which he dragged things along, then they tried the 4 year deal. This was all Feds doing, dragging it along so the Wings couldn't sign another player, because they were trying to sign him above everything else, therefore Feds is now on my list. Burn baby.

My thoughts exactly.... got to it before me. Fedorov was never NOT greedy in my eyes. Was the guy instrumental in 3 cups? Hell yes. Was he ever a team-first kind of guy? I highly doubt it. Feds was always so sure he could squeeze an extra million or two out of the Wings just by waiting, with no regard for anyone but himself, never bought into the system. The last time he missed the boat, and since then the Wings have been doing just fine outside of a early playoff exit or two. Hows Sergei been doing?

I wouldn't put Fedorov on my list of players I'm glad didn't win it again, but I certainly don't blame anyone who would.