Leafs to trade McCabe to Florida

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

So lets say Bo ends up in Toronto, does this make Toronto more appealing to Sundin, or would they need to make a major move at Forward to entice him back?

Thoughts?

I am really not sure he wants to go back, but his heart strings have got to get tugged on a little when the only team he has ever played for (NHL) is getting better, make no mistake about it, adding Bo will help their D a lot more than McCabe would.

Just a FYI, Opie.....Mats was drafted and played for Quebec the first 4 years of his career.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Hard to believe the Panthers would be on anyone's list of places to go, also can't see Boumeister wanting to sign on with the Leafs as crappy as they are.

McCabe is not looking for an immediate chance at a cup. How do I know this? Because the only team hes been willing to waive his NTC for over the past year has been the Islanders. McCabe isn't the greatest of competitors, so I wouldn't be surprised if relative anonymity, nice weather, and a good shot at big minutes are what looks attractive to McCabe right now.

Also, folks are underestimating McCabe a bit. Sure, two years ago his contract was bloated and his play was subpar, but he came back with a much better season this year, is still a force when it comes to providing offense (especially on the PP), and his contract is pretty much market value nowadays all the while providing a decent physical edge and some leadership qualities.

Finally, there is no freaking way that J-Bo is going to be traded straight up for McCabe, and so far I haven't seen anything that says the trade on the table is for that kind of swap. If J-Bo is involved, it will include the likes of Antropov and a 1st rounder coming along with McCabe, or it'll be a three-way deal. The fact that J-Bo doesn't want to stay in Florida is not going to hurt Florida at this point - they have an entire season to work out a trade for him. Theres already way too much league-wide interest for J-Bo to get traded for McCabe only, who is someone else's unwanted goods.

Also, get off Florida management. The Jokinen deal wasn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be and the guy who traded Luongo for Bert had a blink-and-youll-miss-it tenure with the Cats.

[Opie 308]

Just a FYI, Opie.....Mats was drafted and played for Quebec the first 4 years of his career.

LOL

Holy F#$king brainfart!

Thanks dude.

[zata40 3]

pssst.....kenny

florida is trying to get rid of BO

.....offer them liljia

[StevieY9802 6]

The TSN article says that Bo is not part of the deal. No matter what the deal is this is a good move by the Leafs to get that cap hit off the books.

[Opie 308]

The TSN article says that Bo is not part of the deal. No matter what the deal is this is a good move by the Leafs to get that cap hit off the books.

Any clue what Toronto would be looking for then?

I can't imagine they are letting McCabe go for just garbage.

Maybe they let him go for FLA's first pick hoping they finish dead last?

[StevieY9802 6]

Any clue what Toronto would be looking for then?

I can't imagine they are letting McCabe go for just garbage.

Maybe they let him go for FLA's first pick hoping they finish dead last?

Here's the article:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=246307&amp...os=topStory_nhl

It doesn't give any details other than Bouwmeester is not involved in the deal and that all the parts of have been agreed upon. I don't know what FLA would want to give up for him being more of a rebuilding team.

[Opie 308]

Here's the article:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=246307&amp...os=topStory_nhl

It doesn't give any details other than Bouwmeester is not involved in the deal and that all the parts of have been agreed upon. I don't know what FLA would want to give up for him being more of a rebuilding team.

Thanks!

I was looking over the NHLnumbers.com site and I don't see what Toronto would want back that I can see Fla getting rid of, they just signed Horton, just traded for Stillman.

Maybe Dvorak, maybe Zednik?

The article said a player would be coming back. These trades are always hard to speculate on when it appears both teams are in a rebuild mode. Maybe the Leafs are hoping a Zednik signing would bring back Sundin, and both Dvorak and Zednik are under 2 mil a year, so that helps the Leafs pocket book.

Who knows?

Edit:

If I were a Leafs fan I think I would want Weiss back in return.

Edited August 14, 2008 by Opie

[2probert4 8]

Sportsnet's Nick Kypreos reports that Bryan McCabe has waived his no-trade clause to go to the Florida Panthers.

Trade details not available yet, though rumours recently had the Leafs & Panthers working on a blockbuster package including McCabe & Jay Bouwmeester.

I read that its Mike Van Ryn, not Bouwmeester. Unless Florida has diahrrea of the brain....

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I read that its Mike Van Ryn, not Bouwmeester. Unless Florida has diahrrea of the brain....

That makes a lot more sense...

[Doggy 130]

Also, folks are underestimating McCabe a bit. Sure, two years ago his contract was bloated and his play was subpar, but he came back with a much better season this year, is still a force when it comes to providing offense (especially on the PP), and his contract is pretty much market value nowadays all the while providing a decent physical edge and some leadership qualities.

I don't think anyone has ever underestimated Bryan McCabe ever. He's terrible. This past season was his worst in a very long time, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Let's hear what Mack or any other Leafs fan thinks of him.

[eva unit zero 271]

I read that its Mike Van Ryn, not Bouwmeester. Unless Florida has diahrrea of the brain....

If it is Bouwmeester...then expect to see McCabe, Antropov, at least one of Stajan/Steen, as well as one or more of Tlusty/Stralman/Pogge. If it is involving both McCabe and J-Bo, then the Leafs would have to give Florida damn near fair value for J-Bo ASIDE from McCabe simply due to McCabe's paid as a Norris contender and the fact that he's a #4 on most NHL teams.

If the Panthers are going to trade a defenseman and bring in McCabe...Van Ryn is the one that makes sense. Bouwmeester has way more value than that, Allen recently signed a fairly long deal, Boynton and Ballard were just acquired. Skrastins is the only other defenseman in the top six who fits the profile where he clears cap space and roster space for McCabe. The biggest thing is...McCabe to Florida just doesn't make sense. They already are spending too much on their blueline (six guys at 2m+ right now), and now they will be acquiring one of the league's most overpaid defensemen?

This deal would be a forerunner to more deals, likely seeing the remainder of Van Ryn/Skrastins sent packing and the team acquiring one more scoring forward either in the deal, or via free agency, if possible.

[akustyk 84]

yet another "everybody wants to sign in TO" king of rumour...

except it isn't so because players who actualy have brains and not just

deep pockets stay away from teams like Leafs or Hawks which always,

independent on what Bettman does, manage to suck big time...

[MacK_Attack 108]

I don't think anyone has ever underestimated Bryan McCabe ever. He's terrible. This past season was his worst in a very long time, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Let's hear what Mack or any other Leafs fan thinks of him.

He's not as good as the McCabe-lovers will have you believe, and he's not as bad as the McCabe-bashers will tell you he is.

He's got a top-notch slapshot, decent speed (but don't confuse that with agility, because he's not a guy that can stickhandle past anyone) and plays the body well enough. His defensive game isn't as bad as most tend to think, but it tends to lapse at the worst possible times.

The Leafs are an above-.500 team with McCabe in the lineup the past three seasons, and well below .500 without him.

As for the trade, the rumoured parts are McCabe & Ian White to FLA for Mike Van Ryn, Anthony Stewart & 2009 2nd round pick.

The trade will go through on or slightly after Sept. 1st when McCabe is paid a $2 million bonus by the Leafs.

Any clue what Toronto would be looking for then?

I can't imagine they are letting McCabe go for just garbage.

Maybe they let him go for FLA's first pick hoping they finish dead last?

Cliff Fletcher's mandate is to clear as much long-term cap space as possible and to get rid of the old leadership regime that existed under Paul Maurice. McCabe was a clear part of that and it was felt that he would not be a positive influence on younger players, the same was felt of Darcy Tucker.

The Leafs will take the long-term cap space as the biggest piece of this trade. I don't think they're looking for a huge return because McCabe has their hands tied in terms of being able to shop him around.

Edited August 14, 2008 by MacK_Attack

[Doggy 130]

He's not as good as the McCabe-lovers will have you believe, and he's not as bad as the McCabe-bashers will tell you he is.

He's got a top-notch slapshot, decent speed (but don't confuse that with agility, because he's not a guy that can stickhandle past anyone) and plays the body well enough. His defensive game isn't as bad as most tend to think, but it tends to lapse at the worst possible times.

The Leafs are an above-.500 team with McCabe in the lineup the past three seasons, and well below .500 without him.

As for the trade, the rumoured parts are McCabe & Ian White to FLA for Mike Van Ryn, Anthony Stewart & 2009 2nd round pick.

The trade will go through on or slightly after Sept. 1st when McCabe is paid a $2 million bonus by the Leafs.

Cliff Fletcher's mandate is to clear as much long-term cap space as possible and to get rid of the old leadership regime that existed under Paul Maurice. McCabe was a clear part of that and it was felt that he would not be a positive influence on younger players, the same was felt of Darcy Tucker.

The Leafs will take the long-term cap space as the biggest piece of this trade. I don't think they're looking for a huge return because McCabe has their hands tied in terms of being able to shop him around.

Granted, I am a McCabe-basher. But seriously, he is so stupid out there at times. I can't count the amount of times he's failed to clear a puck, allowed an odd-man rush or made a stupid turnover in his own zone or through the neutral zone. He's crap. He has got a good slapper, I'll give him that.

[MacK_Attack 108]

Granted, I am a McCabe-basher. But seriously, he is so stupid out there at times. I can't count the amount of times he's failed to clear a puck, allowed an odd-man rush or made a stupid turnover in his own zone or through the neutral zone. He's crap. He has got a good slapper, I'll give him that.

Absolutely. He'd be a Norris Trophy defenceman if he had even a steady defensive game, but it lapses so badly that it has held him back from being the #1 defenceman that he could be. He goes through stretches where he's absolutely the best player on the ice, and then almost as quickly, he's a guy you'd just want to park on the end of the bench for the 3rd period.

[Doggy 130]

Absolutely. He'd be a Norris Trophy defenceman if he had even a steady defensive game, but it lapses so badly that it has held him back from being the #1 defenceman that he could be. He goes through stretches where he's absolutely the best player on the ice, and then almost as quickly, he's a guy you'd just want to park on the end of the bench for the 3rd period.

He just frustrated the s*** outta me, and I'm not even a Leafs fan. I'd never want him in Detroit.

[2probert4 8]

If it is Bouwmeester...then expect to see McCabe, Antropov, at least one of Stajan/Steen, as well as one or more of Tlusty/Stralman/Pogge. If it is involving both McCabe and J-Bo, then the Leafs would have to give Florida damn near fair value for J-Bo ASIDE from McCabe simply due to McCabe's paid as a Norris contender and the fact that he's a #4 on most NHL teams.

If the Panthers are going to trade a defenseman and bring in McCabe...Van Ryn is the one that makes sense. Bouwmeester has way more value than that, Allen recently signed a fairly long deal, Boynton and Ballard were just acquired. Skrastins is the only other defenseman in the top six who fits the profile where he clears cap space and roster space for McCabe. The biggest thing is...McCabe to Florida just doesn't make sense. They already are spending too much on their blueline (six guys at 2m+ right now), and now they will be acquiring one of the league's most overpaid defensemen?

This deal would be a forerunner to more deals, likely seeing the remainder of Van Ryn/Skrastins sent packing and the team acquiring one more scoring forward either in the deal, or via free agency, if possible.

Someone said that it was another "everyone wants to go to Toronto" rumor, and I have to agree. Florida will wait until the bidding gets at the highest peak before dealing him, which will happen. Florida is a bad franchise, and will end up elsewhere eventually.

[MacK_Attack 108]

Someone said that it was another "everyone wants to go to Toronto" rumor, and I have to agree. Florida will wait until the bidding gets at the highest peak before dealing him, which will happen. Florida is a bad franchise, and will end up elsewhere eventually.

Trade deadline. That makes the most sense in terms of trading J-Bo. A team desperate to make the playoffs will ante up for him, even if it's for two months.

J-Bo would be insane to not go on the open market. He'd get $7-8 million thrown his way, at least.

[MacK_Attack 108]

I tracked down the stats on the Leafs record with and without McCabe in the lineup.

This is for the 2005/06, 2006/07 & 2007/08 seasons combined.

WITH McCabe - 209 Games: 106-77-26

WITHOUT McCabe - 37 Games: 11-22-4

[Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3]

2probert4 already mentioned this but it looks like it's Mike Van Ryn, not Bouwmeester rumored to be moved from Florida for McCabe.

SPORTSNET.CA

Sources say that as part of the deal, the Leafs would get Panthers defenceman Mike Van Ryn.

[Doggy 130]

Couldn't disagree with ya any more; McCabe is actually a very talented player - just has the occasional brain cramp that usually bites him in the a$$.

He's not a legit #1 Dman IMO (and is paid a bit too much as well), but more likely a solid #2/#3 that needs a solid defensive minded partner to bail him out every once in a while.

I won't believe this rumor of McCabe for Bouwmeester until I see it being made.

He's talented but mentally weak and hollow inside.

I love being harsh.

[Doggy 130]

Anyone playing in T.O. and is capable of taking the bashing (media/fans) as he's had to these past few seasons is anything but mentally weak, or hollow - especially since he comes back to play the very next game, & in many cases he has a good game. I will say the guy is prone to inconsistent play, defensive lapses, & making ill-advised passes which results in the bashings.

I do agree though that you're quite harsh

His game drops dramatically when things aren't going well. That is why I think he is mentally weak. If he makes a mistake, he is even more likely to repeat it or make another one just as bad. As someone who likes the Leafs, it frustrates me to no end.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

He's talented but mentally weak and hollow inside.

I love being harsh.

Sounds like some of the women I've known.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I've read that it'll be McCabe for Van Ryn, Booth and a 4th round pick, which is a good deal for TO.