norrisnick 1 Report post Posted September 7, 2008 Little known fact but Doug Harvey had a cup of coffee with the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted September 7, 2008 Little known fact but Doug Harvey had a cup of coffee with the Wings. If I had brought up Harvey, I'd have had to mention Eddie Giacomin, Andy Bathgate, Paul Coffey, Bernie Federko, and Tiny Thompson. And that would have just gotten out of hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted September 7, 2008 The reason I laid out the modern-era thing was because a requirement of 350 games was a bit high for a pre-1967 player; look at the GP leaders for the Red Wings. Most of the guys with more than 350 GP are post-expansion players. Back in the first half of the 20th Century, the seasons were only 20, 30, 50 games long. That requires that a player be a Wing for more seasons. As far as HOF selection...if a player was one of the better defensemen in the league and played his best years as a Wing and played most of his career in Detroit, that beats a guy who played a couple decent seasons in Detroit after being great somewhere else, or played some solid seasons in Detroit then moved on to be great elsewhere. HOF careers don't necessarily trump non-HOF careers if the HOF was earned OUTSIDE of Detroit and the Detroit years were the low point of the career, and the non-HOF player had excellent years in Detroit which were the high point of his career. Another good example is Luc Robitaille vs Gerard Gallant. Gallant in a second over Robitaille for an all-Wings team...Gallant was better in his best Wings seasons, and played longer for Detroit. Robitaille, obviously, was the better overall player and is the HOFer. But not the better career as a Wing. If we were to argue 'best careers' or 'best WINGS careers' further, we'd have to make the following comparisons; leaving out Robitaille and Gallant as they've already been mentioned: Hasek (or Hall) v. Osgood Chelios/Park/Fetisov/Murphy (or Gadsby/Quackenbush/Salming/M.Howe) v. Konstantinov/Pronovost/Stewart/Chiasson Bucyk/Hull/Dionne/Larionov v. Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Redmond/S.Howe So... you're saying I'm right and you're wrong, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted September 8, 2008 In terms of the whole Fedorov and the grudge thing, no I don't hold any grudge over him leaving the Wings, I got over that a long, long time ago. Posters here have made their cases, and very good ones, for him being on one of the top two of these ficticious lines, given the criteria and that he played some big games roles in the playoffs. I'm not denying that. But, I understand the originial lines drawn out the way they were. Plenty of Red Wings have had colorful playoff careers, given partly of how the Wings have been in the league a long time. I understand putting Zetterberg ahead of Fedorov due to the Conn Smythe argument even though he hasn't played in as many playoffs as Fedorov. All are legit arguments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
White Maverick 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2009 Wow, really pulling this one out of the dumpster. we rather than starting a new topic i decided to actually look to see if one was already made on this. here's my choices for the wings legendary team. i got the idea from NHL09's Montreal Canadians' Historical Team. This list is of players that are retired from the game and the minimum requirement i went with was 4 seasons with the Wings. Forwards LW Ted Lindsay 7 C Alex Delvecchio 10 (A) RW Gordie Howe 9 (A) LW Sid Abel 12 C Norm Ullman 7 RW Mickey Redmond 20 LW Gerard Gallant 17 C Steve Yzerman 19 © RW Marcel Dionne 12 LW John Ogrodnick 25 C Leonard "Red" Kelly RW Dale McCourt 10 The D-Men D Reed Larson 28 D Ebbie Goodfellow 5 D Vladimir Konstantinov 16 D Steve Chiasson 3 D Gary Bergman 2 D Marcel Pronovost 3 The Net-Minders G Terry Sawchuk 1 G Roger Crozier 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted September 22, 2009 Wow, really pulling this one out of the dumpster. we rather than starting a new topic i decided to actually look to see if one was already made on this. here's my choices for the wings legendary team. i got the idea from NHL09's Montreal Canadians' Historical Team. This list is of players that are retired from the game and the minimum requirement i went with was 4 seasons with the Wings. Forwards LW Ted Lindsay 7 C Alex Delvecchio 10 (A) RW Gordie Howe 9 (A) LW Sid Abel 12 C Norm Ullman 7 RW Mickey Redmond 20 LW Gerard Gallant 17 C Steve Yzerman 19 © RW Marcel Dionne 12 LW John Ogrodnick 25 C Leonard "Red" Kelly RW Dale McCourt 10 The D-Men D Reed Larson 28 D Ebbie Goodfellow 5 D Vladimir Konstantinov 16 D Steve Chiasson 3 D Gary Bergman 2 D Marcel Pronovost 3 The Net-Minders G Terry Sawchuk 1 G Roger Crozier 1 Creative to put Kelly at center, though in Detroit, while he did fill in at forward on numerous occassions, he was a far more effective defenseman, until his ankle injury limited his skating and he contemplated retirement but was convinced to play center for Toronto and enjoyed another great 8 years and 4 more Cups. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted September 22, 2009 Creative to put Kelly at center, though in Detroit, while he did fill in at forward on numerous occassions, he was a far more effective defenseman, until his ankle injury limited his skating and he contemplated retirement but was convinced to play center for Toronto and enjoyed another great 8 years and 4 more Cups. Convinced to play center? As I understood it he refused to play defense for any team other than Detroit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted September 22, 2009 (edited) Convinced to play center? As I understood it he refused to play defense for any team other than Detroit. He had announced his retirement, as Jack Adams had planned on sending him to the bottom-feeding Rangers at the time -- but the Maple Leafs managed to acquire his rights and convince him to come over.... it was pretty much a game-time decision to play him at center in order to cover Beliveau. http://www.legendsofhockey.net/html/spot_oneononep196903.htm The trade was voided, but Maple Leafs' general manager Punch Imlach asked permission to talk Kelly into renouncing his retirement. In a clandestine meeting, conducted in tandem with assistant GM King Clancy, Red agreed to join the Maple Leafs, and on February 10, Toronto sent Marc Reaume to Detroit to complete the transaction. "When I had the contract talk with Imlach, we talked most of the day and then it went until midnight before we agreed. Nothing was ever said about where I was going to play or anything until after I agreed to come to Toronto. Toronto was playing Montreal the next night. They had to fly my skates in from Detroit for that game. After I signed, I told Punch, 'I've been off skates for ten days or so. I'd hate to make a mistake out there and cause a goal,' and Punch said, 'Red, how would you feel about playing centre?' I said, 'Great! No problem.' I didn't care where I played as long as I was playing hockey. He said, 'If we're going to win the Stanley Cup, we 're going to have to go through Montreal. I need somebody to check Beliveau.' He said, 'How would you feel if I started you against Beliveau?' I just said, 'Fine. Great. Love it!' Edited September 22, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
White Maverick 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2009 (edited) Convinced to play center? As I understood it he refused to play defense for any team other than Detroit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZSovdY6K-U Edited September 22, 2009 by White Maverick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted September 22, 2009 Downey - Downey - Downey Downey - Downey - Downey Downey - Downey - Downey Downey - Downey - Downey Jason Williams Downey - Downey Downey - Downey Downey - Downey Jamie Pushor If we win a cup we win a cup, if not, Downey didn't really hurt us in the long run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted September 22, 2009 If you are going purely on skill, Fedorov is the best hockey player to ever put on a Detroit Red Wings jersey. The man made other professional hockey players look like mini-mites out there. By far the best skater as well, you'd be hard pressed to find one better for some time to come. Sergei was great but any discussion on the most skilled Red Wing of all time starts and ends with Steve Yzerman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY'sguy 1 Report post Posted September 22, 2009 Sergei was great but any discussion on the most skilled Red Wing of all time starts and ends with Steve Yzerman. i agree wholeheartedly, although anyone who says Z or Dats have had a better career with the Wings then Fedorov as of right now is a complete moron. There is not a statistical or logistical argument out there to support that statement, so what if he was kind of a moron for holding out or for leaving?....that doesn't diminish what he did for the team and if you think it does, then it's time to stop acting like a 9 year old girl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chelios57 31 Report post Posted September 22, 2009 I'm sorry but I whole-heartily disagree with this list. In one huge way HOW IS SID ABEL NOT ON THAT LIST!!! Not only should he be on the list, he should be centering Howe and Lindsay. That line finished 1,2,3 in scoring, and they're not on the list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
White Maverick 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2009 Downey - Downey - Downey Downey - Downey - Downey Downey - Downey - Downey Downey - Downey - Downey Jason Williams Downey - Downey Downey - Downey Downey - Downey Jamie Pushor If we win a cup we win a cup, if not, Downey didn't really hurt us in the long run. lol Jamie Pushor i forgot about him! so i got to thinking, maybe if i were to rid dionne and replace him with aurie and remove chiasson and replace with red kelly and add fedorov because i'm pretty sure he's done with the nhl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted September 22, 2009 Downey - Downey - Downey Downey - Downey - Downey Downey - Downey - Downey Downey - Downey - Downey Jason Williams Downey - Downey Downey - Downey Downey - Downey Jamie Pushor If we win a cup we win a cup, if not, Downey didn't really hurt us in the long run. no love for Uwe Krupp? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
White Maverick 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2010 Wow, i thought this would have had more hits by now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Original-Six 254 Report post Posted February 26, 2010 (edited) Datsyuk-Datsyuk-Datsyuk Datsyuk-Datsyuk-Datsyuk Datsyuk-Datsyuk-Datsyuk Datsyuk-Datsyuk-Datsyuk Datsyuk-Datsyuk Datsyuk-Datsyuk Datsyuk-Datsyuk Just imagine 5 back-checking Datsyuks and all the dangles. You wouldn't even need a goalie. Every time the other team gets the puck one of the Datsyuks would just steal it back Edited February 26, 2010 by Original-Six Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
White Maverick 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2010 Datsyuk-Datsyuk-Datsyuk Datsyuk-Datsyuk-Datsyuk Datsyuk-Datsyuk-Datsyuk Datsyuk-Datsyuk-Datsyuk Datsyuk-Datsyuk Datsyuk-Datsyuk Datsyuk-Datsyuk Just imagine 5 back-checking Datsyuks and all the dangles. You wouldn't even need a goalie. Every time the other team gets the puck one of the Datsyuks would just steal it back just need a big guy or 2 to knock him on his ass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGKEIB 32 Report post Posted February 27, 2010 (edited) Another interesting way of going about this might be to do it by best lines/units, such as Lindsay-Abel-Howe, Russian Five, Probert-Yzerman-Gallant, May-Williams-Maltby etc. That said, Howe's long career makes this idea tricky, as you could also have Lindsay-Delvecchio-Howe and so forth. Edited February 27, 2010 by NGKEIB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SiLkK19 67 Report post Posted February 27, 2010 A lot of people are putting Shanahan on right wing but hes better on LW. Shanahan Yzerman Fedorov Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstarsingh 23 Report post Posted February 27, 2010 Another interesting way of going about this might be to do it by best lines/units, such as Lindsay-Abel-Howe, Russian Five, Probert-Yzerman-Gallant, May-Williams-Maltby etc. That said, Howe's long career makes this idea tricky, as you could also have Lindsay-Delvecchio-Howe and so forth. Way to sneak that one in there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
