Kopecky hit on Carle video

[rage 24]

I thought that this wasn't even broadcasted?????

That's what I said!!!

[Saran 1]

I thought that this wasn't even broadcasted?????

i watched it on sopcast, amazing quality surprisingly

[marcaractac 3,963]

If Kopecky keeps that up he is gonna have a great year. The hit was good, and clean, just one of those things that happen every once and a while. I love how right after the hit, Kopecky went right for the net with a good scoring chance. I always liked Kopecky, and I think he is just gonna keep on getting better. I'm actually dying to see a Kopecky-Helm-Abdelkader line. That would be a real solid 3rd line in a couple years I think.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

WHY THE f*** DID HE GET A PENALTY FOR THAT, refs costed us the game

Easy there. It's the preseason, the final score doesn't really matter during preseason games.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Looked like a clean hit, hopefully the guy is ok.

[CrossoverThrash 0]

Beauty reminds me of bell checking Alfredsson only this seems harder obviously since he knocked him out for along ass time

Edited September 25, 2008 by CrossoverThrash

[eva unit zero 271]

So who wishes we had Nathan Robinson or Danny Groulx instead?

[LIDDYGIBBY5 1]

It was a clean hit, but I think it's the kind of hit that needs to be re-evaluated by the league. There is to much head hunting. Kopecky put his shoulder pad right on Carle's chin. In the NFL that kind of hit would have been a suspension. I don't think this board would be singing the same tune if that hit was on Rafalski.

[eva unit zero 271]

It was a clean hit, but I think it's the kind of hit that needs to be re-evaluated by the league. There is to much head hunting. Kopecky put his shoulder pad right on Carle's chin. In the NFL that kind of hit would have been a suspension. I don't think this board would be singing the same tune if that hit was on Rafalski.

Kopecky had Carle lined up. Carle dished the puck off, watched his pass, and made a slight turn to the left. Watch the video again.

If Carle just keeps on skating, Kopecky hits him in the chest. And ultimately, you can't penalize a player for not knowing when the opponent was going to pass before he did. That was a clean, hard hit. The reason Carle took such an effect from it was because he put himself in a bad spot after Kopecky had initiated the check. That's not Kopecky's fault.

It's like Scott Stevens. If Scott Stevens hits a guy who has his head down, and the guy gets hurt because his head was down...that's not Scott Stevens' fault.

EDIT: In the NFL, when exactly are we going to see a guy running up the field and then suddenly throw the ball away? Oh, and in the NFL, players get tackled, not bodychecked. So you would have seen Kopecky trying to wrap Carle up and bring him down, rather than knock him off the puck. Instead of putting as much force as he could into separating his opponent from the puck, the goal would have been to stop his opponent's forward progress. If you see a guy throwing shoulder checks in football, he doesn't need to be penalized, he needs to be coached on tackling.

Edited September 25, 2008 by eva unit zero

[Opie 308]

It was a clean hit, but I think it's the kind of hit that needs to be re-evaluated by the league. There is to much head hunting. Kopecky put his shoulder pad right on Carle's chin. In the NFL that kind of hit would have been a suspension. I don't think this board would be singing the same tune if that hit was on Rafalski.

Are you serious, that was a clean hit with the recipient's chin tucked tightly to his chest. You can't blame Kopecky for being taller than Carle, even Guy said the hit was clean!

If the league tries to get rid of that hit (wouldn't put it past them) that would be a bad bad move. The only way Kopecky doesn't hit him on the chin is if he ducks down about 3 inches.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

It doesn't matter how everyone else feels. Because they're wrong, and I'm right.

You're only right until I have something to say about it.

[LIDDYGIBBY5 1]

Kopecky had Carle lined up. Carle dished the puck off, watched his pass, and made a slight turn to the left. Watch the video again.

If Carle just keeps on skating, Kopecky hits him in the chest. And ultimately, you can't penalize a player for not knowing when the opponent was going to pass before he did. That was a clean, hard hit. The reason Carle took such an effect from it was because he put himself in a bad spot after Kopecky had initiated the check. That's not Kopecky's fault.

It's like Scott Stevens. If Scott Stevens hits a guy who has his head down, and the guy gets hurt because his head was down...that's not Scott Stevens' fault.

EDIT: In the NFL, when exactly are we going to see a guy running up the field and then suddenly throw the ball away? Oh, and in the NFL, players get tackled, not bodychecked. So you would have seen Kopecky trying to wrap Carle up and bring him down, rather than knock him off the puck. Instead of putting as much force as he could into separating his opponent from the puck, the goal would have been to stop his opponent's forward progress. If you see a guy throwing shoulder checks in football, he doesn't need to be penalized, he needs to be coached on tackling.

I was talking more about the shot to the head than a player running down the sideline and pitching it. I have to give you high marks in trying to make my words seem absurd by inserting yours as if I said them. As I said, by rule it was a clean hit. All I said is that it is the kind of hit that the NHL should look at. Maybe a change in gear is needed to stop injuries from happening in ordinary situations. I don''t even know why I even try with you Eva. You would argue that the sun rises in the west on a daily basis just for a chance to hear your own voice. (or the click clack of your keyboard)

[eva unit zero 271]

You're only right until I have something to say about it.

Didn't you say Bootland would have been better to keep than Kopecky?

[eva unit zero 271]

I was talking more about the shot to the head than a player running down the sideline and pitching it. I have to give you high marks in trying to make my words seem absurd by inserting yours as if I said them. As I said, by rule it was a clean hit. All I said is that it is the kind of hit that the NHL should look at. Maybe a change in gear is needed to stop injuries from happening in ordinary situations. I don''t even know why I even try with you Eva. You would argue that the sun rises in the west on a daily basis just for a chance to hear your own voice. (or the click clack of your keyboard)

It wasn't a shot to the head...The reason Carle was hit in the chin was the position HE PUT HIMSELF IN. If you are going to start penalizing players for not being able to stop their hits when another player moves into a bad spot, then just make it a no-hitting league and make the salary cap $10m. As far as pitching the ball..that would be an integral comparison, as that's basically what Carle did. Had Carle not dumped the puck, he wouldn't have been hit in the chin. It really is that simple. The way his position changed when he got rid of it caused the awkward position he was in when Kopecky made contact. Kopecky had initiated his hit before Carle moved to get rid of the puck, so it's not like Kopecky had any idea the puck would be gone.

You know, resorting personal attacks because you don't feel like recognizing my VALID opinion are a pretty lame way of trying to hijack a discussion.

[zaxx 0]

I was talking more about the shot to the head than a player running down the sideline and pitching it. I have to give you high marks in trying to make my words seem absurd by inserting yours as if I said them. As I said, by rule it was a clean hit. All I said is that it is the kind of hit that the NHL should look at. Maybe a change in gear is needed to stop injuries from happening in ordinary situations. I don''t even know why I even try with you Eva. You would argue that the sun rises in the west on a daily basis just for a chance to hear your own voice. (or the click clack of your keyboard)

I am going to regret putting in my two cents but I am going to anyway. Your first comment came across as though you wanted hits that make contact with a players head to be ruled a penalty (or suspension, or worse) like the NFL rules. I can see by your second statement that you were not meaning to make that connection but please reread your original comment. You should be able to see that your point comes across wrong and causes confusion.

I loved the hit, feel bad for Carle and feel that the league should do something about the big injury inducing hits. How do they fix them? Crazy old Don Cherry has been stating it for years. Get rid of the football style padding and move back to the protective soft style. The shoulder pads and elbow pads worn by most players today have a plastic coating that is as hard as a rock. Take a hit anywhere on your body with that and there is a good chance you will be feeling it for a long time. They should make those stupid pads against the rules and force players/manufacturers to bring back the soft (and just as protective) style. All the protection required without the rock hard shell.

No one wants to see people getting hurt on the ice (unless they have done something to deserve it... Lemieux)

[Frozen-Man 144]

WHY THE f*** DID HE GET A PENALTY FOR THAT, refs costed us the game

He didn't get a penalty for the hit or the refs would have blown the play dead when the Wings touched the puck which they didn't. The penalty was roughing for the scrum afterward.

[wingslogo19 281]

Great clean hit by Koppy... I really think he can be a force. hope that Carle is ok though

[Dabura 12,232]

That is an awesome hit.

I imagine Carle was out for so long not because the hit was dirty (it wasn't), but because he was caught off-guard.

[Opie 308]

That is an awesome hit.

I imagine Carle was out for so long not because the hit was dirty (it wasn't), but because he was caught off-guard.

That and he got hit square on the button, that was like Rashad Evan hitting Chuck Liddell square on the button and he goes to la la land!

[LIDDYGIBBY5 1]

It wasn't a shot to the head...The reason Carle was hit in the chin was the position HE PUT HIMSELF IN. If you are going to start penalizing players for not being able to stop their hits when another player moves into a bad spot, then just make it a no-hitting league and make the salary cap $10m. As far as pitching the ball..that would be an integral comparison, as that's basically what Carle did. Had Carle not dumped the puck, he wouldn't have been hit in the chin. It really is that simple. The way his position changed when he got rid of it caused the awkward position he was in when Kopecky made contact. Kopecky had initiated his hit before Carle moved to get rid of the puck, so it's not like Kopecky had any idea the puck would be gone.

You know, resorting personal attacks because you don't feel like recognizing my VALID opinion are a pretty lame way of trying to hijack a discussion.

Eva, I said it was a clean hit! I said nothing about a penalty. And by the way, the chin is attached to the head.

[LIDDYGIBBY5 1]

I am going to regret putting in my two cents but I am going to anyway. Your first comment came across as though you wanted hits that make contact with a players head to be ruled a penalty (or suspension, or worse) like the NFL rules. I can see by your second statement that you were not meaning to make that connection but please reread your original comment. You should be able to see that your point comes across wrong and causes confusion.

I loved the hit, feel bad for Carle and feel that the league should do something about the big injury inducing hits. How do they fix them? Crazy old Don Cherry has been stating it for years. Get rid of the football style padding and move back to the protective soft style. The shoulder pads and elbow pads worn by most players today have a plastic coating that is as hard as a rock. Take a hit anywhere on your body with that and there is a good chance you will be feeling it for a long time. They should make those stupid pads against the rules and force players/manufacturers to bring back the soft (and just as protective) style. All the protection required without the rock hard shell.

No one wants to see people getting hurt on the ice (unless they have done something to deserve it... Lemieux)

I kind of ran a couple of thoughts together. I don't like shots to the head. I think that the equipment makes those hits worse. The NFL has a policy that doesn't allow any shots to the head of someone who is defenseless and I'm not opposed to that in the NHL. I don't think this hit was malicious, dirty, or there was an intent to injure or anything like that.

[superdeluxe 0]

You know, resorting personal attacks because you don't feel like recognizing my VALID opinion are a pretty lame way of trying to hijack a discussion.

Weren't you just bashing on Downey/Mccarty fans? Saying that people who think we should keep them over kopecky are just silly to think that?

[#18 the _Hoss_ 2]

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Don't admire your pass. Don't forget to watch what the f*** you're doing in the neutral zone when you give up the puck. Don't skate with your head down.

Hard hit by Kopecky. Clean as a whistle. There's nothing wrong with it. Unforunately Carle got hurt. But guess what, when players do what he did, they put themselves into a position to get hurt. This isn't rocket science or a new discovery. Coaches have been telling kids to keep their heads up since the dawn of time. Nothing changes. Skate with your head down..........get PWNED!

What I liked even more about this was Kopa is on my s*** list b/c for his size he's never shown me much. I like that he has some skill. I like that he throws his weight around. I like that he actually dropped the mits last year and whooped up on somebody.

What I haven't liked is that his hits are weak and unbalanced and he often ends up on his ass due to poor technique and lack of physical strength.

What I saw on this entire shift was him hitting through a guy with authority. Him making an impact in a meaningful way physically. And him not backing down from the Habs when they started to try and rough him up. He looked ready and willing to throw punches and for that, I say give him a regular spot in the lineup b/c he's got alot of potential to help us out.

Good size, decent skating, some offensive instincts and now some more physicality.

Of course I am a fight guy. So anytime we play Nashville, Columbus, Chicago, St.Louis, Dallas, Anaheim......I want either Downey or Mac or even both in the lineup. Wings have so much skill on the first 3 lines that I would be happy having a 4th line of fighters specifically for those games just in case it gets out of hand.

Anybody catch the Blues/Stars matchup last night. 4 fights. Big guys going at it. Nasty. Wings need to be able to match that, especially since they are the champs and everyone is going to take an extra whack at them.

How about Kopa centering a line with Mac and Downey! Now that's something I would like to see just for a couple of really potential nasty games.

[zaxx 0]

I kind of ran a couple of thoughts together. I don't like shots to the head. I think that the equipment makes those hits worse. The NFL has a policy that doesn't allow any shots to the head of someone who is defenseless and I'm not opposed to that in the NHL. I don't think this hit was malicious, dirty, or there was an intent to injure or anything like that.

Thank-you for the clarification and I totally agree that the equipment needs to change. However we do have penalties for hitting someone who is defenseless. This would be the interference penalty. If the player does not have the puck and is hit there is a penalty, this is the only time a player is afforded the distinction of being called defenseless in the NHL. If you have the puck be prepared to be creamed.

I would never support a penalty or other for otherwise clean hits that make head contact. It would never work in the NHL since the game is so fast no one can avoid crazy hits. Instead just make the equipment enable a player to not be extremely hurt from one of these hits. (Clean hits that make head contact do not include elbows, jumping, stick swinging, or other that are already against the rules)

Oh well I guess we would have to agree on the point of changing equipment (please bettman do something right for the league...) and disagree that on penalties for otherwise clean hits that make head contact.