Capitals' Semin not Impressed by Crosby

[skacore 2]

Crosby = Cristiano Ronaldo of hockey

Amazing, exciting, young, dominant athlete?

[hamip1998 3]

Crosby was tied for the playoff scoring race with Z, playing in 2 less games, you know? Oh yeah, he's 21!

True, but his defensive game isn't the best and he doesn't kill penalties. Give me an all-arounder any day over a pure scorer. In fact, I would argue that Hossa has shown so far this year to be a superior player (I have been impressed with how hard he backchecks).

As someone stated earlier, Crosby isn't going to improve at the same rate as he ages...he is going to have a down year at some point, though his down year may be better than a lot of players good years. He is a stat machine, but he hasn't matured as a leader or a player. He has to earn his status...he shouldn't be anointed with it. IMO he hasn't quite earned the level of praise he has received thus far. He has some mighty big shoes to fill (size #99) and he hasn't quite grown into them yet. Let's not confuse potential with performance.

Trying to discuss this topic on the boards is like talking about the Presidential election: most people either think Crosby is the second coming of Christ on skates or they think he is overrated. Neither side is going to convince the other.

Edited November 1, 2008 by hamip1998

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I'd be interested to hear from the other superstars of the 08-09 season so far about their opponents, like Tkachuk on Iginla, Kuba on Lidstrom, Tim Thomas on Luongo, Voros on Zetterberg, and Dubinsky on Datsyuk!

Kuba? A superstar? Tkatchuk Thomas, Voros, Dubinsky? none of these guys are superstars

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Crosby was tied for the playoff scoring race with Z, playing in 2 less games, you know? Oh yeah, he's 21!

And do you know how many were secondary assists on empty netters? about 6 of them, Crosby only had 4 goals and a majority of his assists were secondary, of the goals he did score at least 3 were garbage goals maybe all. he failed to show up in the Finals. Helm's only 21 he sure looked like he was playing beyond his age last playoffs unlike crosby who is way overrated and playing like a typical higher-end forward not some godlike figure they make him out ot be.

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he also didnt play defense in the playoffs last year and got layed out really hard 3 times including once by Zetterberg, and a death kill form Stuart when the poor dumbass tripped over himself cause of his menstrual cramps. he also got schooled by Z on a 5 on 3.

[skacore 2]

True, but his defensive game isn't the best and he doesn't kill penalties. Give me an all-arounder any day over a pure scorer. In fact, I would argue that Hossa has shown so far this year to be a superior player (I have been impressed with how hard he backchecks).

As someone stated earlier, Crosby isn't going to improve at the same rate as he ages...he is going to have a down year at some point, though his down year may be better than a lot of players good years. He is a stat machine, but he hasn't matured as a leader or a player. He has to earn his status...he shouldn't be anointed with it. IMO he hasn't quite earned the level of praise he has received thus far. He has some mighty big shoes to fill (size #99) and he hasn't quite grown into them yet. Let's not confuse potential with performance.

Trying to discuss this topic on the boards is like talking about the Presidential election: most people either think Crosby is the second coming of Christ on skates or they think he is overrated. Neither side is going to convince the other.

As long as people can accept the fact that Crosby scored over 100 points as an 18 year old and has only improved since, lead his team within 2 wins of the Stanley Cup as a 21 year old, and led the playoffs in scoring, I'm fine with that

Gretzky comparisons aside, what does this guy have to do to get a little more credit? He's one of the most humble guys in the league, you'd never hear him lash out and chirp someone like Semin saying his current point total is a fluke and will fade.

[skacore 2]

Kuba? A superstar? Tkatchuk Thomas, Voros, Dubinsky? none of these guys are superstars

I'm just listing off other players who have had a great start to the season so far and may want to chirp their opposition a bit while they have a chance and their voice will be heard.

[skacore 2]

And do you know how many were secondary assists on empty netters? about 6 of them, Crosby only had 4 goals and a majority of his assists were secondary, of the goals he did score at least 3 were garbage goals maybe all. he failed to show up in the Finals. Helm's only 21 he sure looked like he was playing beyond his age last playoffs unlike crosby who is way overrated and playing like a typical higher-end forward not some godlike figure they make him out ot be.

no I don't know how many secondary assists he had or how many empty netters and I don't give a s***, welcome to hockey bud... lol... failed to show up in the finals eh

6 GP, 2 G, 4 A, 6 P, +1, 50% faceoffs

Helm had a great playoff run as well, I agree, but if you're honestly saying he outplayed Crosby then you're a bonehead.

[skacore 2]

he also didnt play defense in the playoffs last year and got layed out really hard 3 times including once by Zetterberg, and a death kill form Stuart when the poor dumbass tripped over himself cause of his menstrual cramps. he also got schooled by Z on a 5 on 3.

dude that's nuts that he got partially shut down by the 2 top defensive forwards in the game and the best defenseman for the past decade, only a point per game in the finals... what an underachiever

and taking hits to make a play... what an IMBECILE!!!!

[cirov19 1]

lol ... good for him.

semin just said what most of us were thinking.

[Guest Four]

While I know what Semin was trying to get at, he went the wrong way about it. Crosby is a great player, hands down. He is one of the top forwards of the game; not the best, but he's up there. And yes, there is way too much hype about Crosby and Semin was correct about that, but you can't say Crosby doesn't think when he's on the ice, he makes very good plays and Semin isn't on Crosby level yet, so he really should not degrade Crosby's talent. Each player is talented in different ways, for Crosby it's whining and creating goal opportunities.

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dude that's nuts that he got partially shut down by the 2 top defensive forwards in the game and the best defenseman for the past decade, only a point per game in the finals... what an underachiever

and taking hits to make a play... what an IMBECILE!!!!

Take Crosby's yeast infected ***** off of your lips , Hossa played better than Crosby aswell, now he's on our team, we absolutely kick ass, crosby is overrated, get over it, and yes secondary assists on empty nets mean absolutely nothing besides stat padding so welcome to hockey.

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As long as people can accept the fact that Crosby scored over 100 points as an 18 year old and has only improved since, lead his team within 2 wins of the Stanley Cup as a 21 year old, and led the playoffs in scoring, I'm fine with that

Gretzky comparisons aside, what does this guy have to do to get a little more credit? He's one of the most humble guys in the league, you'd never hear him lash out and chirp someone like Semin saying his current point total is a fluke and will fade.

No, he does his chirping at the refs, watch him before every face off and every play that dosent go the penguins way, and he had a nice cryfit at the end of one of the games in the finals where he tried crying out to Zetterberg that he was telling on him to his mom.

[skacore 2]

Take Crosby's yeast infected ***** off of your lips , Hossa played better than Crosby aswell, now he's on our team, we absolutely kick ass, crosby is overrated, get over it, and yes secondary assists on empty nets mean absolutely nothing besides stat padding so welcome to hockey.

not sure why I wasted time replying to you before (and right now) but it's clear you're a tard and know little about the game

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not sure why I wasted time replying to you before (and right now) but it's clear you're a tard and know little about the game

Thanks for the reply, i think im gonna go find a book on how to study the game of hockey, ill get back to you when i know some stuff about it.

[theman19 47]

Thanks for the reply, i think im gonna go find a book on how to study the game of hockey, ill get back to you when i know some stuff about it.

If you study real hard on that book, when you come back you'll know one of the best kept secrets in hockey;

Crosby isn't the next gretzky, cause until he wins A. the cup B. scores 93 goals in a season C. wins the hart for half a decade, he's not even the next lindros. I'll start to care when he acomplishes these things.

Another thing you'll learn, there are other players in the league. Some of which, believe it or not, are just as talented as Crosby.

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If you study real hard on that book, when you come back you'll know one of the best kept secrets in hockey;

Crosby isn't the next gretzky, cause until he wins A. the cup B. scores 93 goals in a season C. wins the hart for half a decade, he's not even the next lindros. I'll start to care when he acomplishes these things.

Another thing you'll learn, there are other players in the league. Some of which, believe it or not, are just as talented as Crosby.

Thanks for the heads up, i definitely will be looking for these key points.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Obviously Ovechkin hasn't peaked, but are you suggesting Crosby has? Anyone who ignores the fact is 21 is just dumb, he's... 21... how many 21 year olds are in the NHL let alone putting up 100+ points at age 18? I'm not comparing Crosby to Ovechkin, they are both equally great in their own right and get the attention they deserve, but Crosby is still 2 years younger. The only fallacy in this thread is that you somehow managed a T in OVECHKINs name, T isn't even in typo distance of E and C... lol

Crosby was tied for the playoff scoring race with Z, playing in 2 less games, you know? Oh yeah, he's 21!

Are you suggesting San Jose is the best team in the Western Conference then? Clearly you are because you're putting 10-11 games into 08-09 ahead of an entire 07-08 year. Or are you serious when asking me that question? Wouldn't be surprised...

Christ. I did blow that spelling of Ovechkin. You say lol. 12 year old girls say lol (near exclusively). I win.

Crosby is 1 year younger as far as the draft is concerned. No one other than Crosby has that sort of extra emphesis put on being born just after the cut-off date. *sigh*

Oh and:

"When I've watched San Jose and when I've watched the Rangers, to me they're the two best teams in the league. They're excited, they've got it all going. They're playing good with and without the puck. They're as advanced as any team in the league as far as playing with discipline," Babcock said. "Often it happens when you get a new coach. He's a good coach and they're excited." ... "They've always had a good team and they've added [Dan] Boyle and [Rob] Blake. Boyle to me is a very high-end, puck moving dangerous player so I think they're a better team that way and that gives them more tempo. Marleau's back playing like he was three years ago. They've always had lots of pieces here. I mean, they were the second best team in the league last year."

Yeah- you must know more than Babcock. Keep drinking Betman's coolaid.

Just remember- CROSBY'S TWENTY ONE! Ohhh Christ! 21! *shudders* If only there were other high end players that entered the league and achieved massive success at such a young age. But sadly I can only think of a few dozen. Eric Lindros included.

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Christ. I did blow that spelling of Ovechkin. You say lol. 12 year old girls say lol (near exclusively). I win.

Crosby is 1 year younger as far as the draft is concerned. No one other than Crosby has that sort of extra emphesis put on being born just after the cut-off date. *sigh*

Oh and:

"When I've watched San Jose and when I've watched the Rangers, to me they're the two best teams in the league. They're excited, they've got it all going. They're playing good with and without the puck. They're as advanced as any team in the league as far as playing with discipline," Babcock said. "Often it happens when you get a new coach. He's a good coach and they're excited." ... "They've always had a good team and they've added [Dan] Boyle and [Rob] Blake. Boyle to me is a very high-end, puck moving dangerous player so I think they're a better team that way and that gives them more tempo. Marleau's back playing like he was three years ago. They've always had lots of pieces here. I mean, they were the second best team in the league last year."

Yeah- you must know more than Babcock. Keep drinking Betman's coolaid.

Just remember- CROSBY'S TWENTY ONE! Ohhh Christ! 21! *shudders* If only there were other high end players that entered the league and achieved massive success at such a young age. But sadly I can only think of a few dozen. Eric Lindros included.

dude you can't rip on an "lol" then bust out a *sigh* and a *shudders* ...not cool!

anyways who cares about when the draft is, Ovechkin has had 2 more years of progression than Crosby, he's 2 years older, that's all I'm saying

ok you busted out a Babcock quote saying the Sharks and the Rangers are the two best teams in the league, that makes it official eh... over the fact the Pens and Wings went to the finals last year lol

and I don't get the whole Lindros thing... he was labelled the most dominant hockey player of his time in his prime and Crosby has had just as much, if not more success in his young career, already reaching the Stanley Cup finals... because Lindros was injury prone and had a soft melon does that mean Crosby will as well? don't really see how that is relevant.

all Crosby has done since he's entered the league is produce and progress... sure he gets a TON of hype but he is so humble that he makes a great role model for the game and he's a great player for kids to look up to.. I don't care if people don't like him or don't like watching him but it's an absolute joke that people try to deprive him of what he's accomplished simply because he's the NHL poster boy... is he supposed to NOT help the NHL when they come to him and ask him to try and promote the game..?

what exactly do people want? I see NHL commercials all the time that are of players other than Crosby.. is it jealousy that someone so young has already achieved so much more in his life than you have?? are people upset because they've wanted Crosby to fail so bad but he continues to get better and better?

he is an unreal player, so is Datsyuk, so is Zetterberg, so is Iginla.. if the NHL chooses to market Crosby in particular because he's young and North American and he continues to be one of the best players year after year how is he an underachiever or not living up to the hype.... doesn't make sense at all

Edited November 1, 2008 by skacore

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I just got done reading the Hockey Manifesto, My Struggle to Make the NHL the NBA by Dr. Gary Bettman, the official book of ture hockey facts, here are a few key points and the true facts explaining them:

A. Crosby is the best player in the league - This is because no matter what, even if he risks an icing he still knows every empty netter counts and in the end, what would the game be without empty netters with .5 seconds left in the game, it also states that a secondary assist on an empty net goal is as distinguished if not more distinguished than a secondary assist at even strength. He has the uncanny ability to get into the pre-picked for mental weakness referees' heads. He also has the uncanny ability to usurp and annoy Sir Peter Forsberg, the once greatest diver now overshadowed by YHWH on high, Sydney Crosby.

B. Forwards do not have to be good defensively - In fact defensive play is dishonorable. See Malkin's goal agianst the Flyers last year. Any goal that is scored on a cherry pick shall be celebrated automatically as the best goal of the year up to that point excluding other marvelous cherry-pick goals. It would also be good to implement an extra point to the team who gives up the cherry pick for good sportsmanship to allow the cherry to be picked. There is also a clause stating that Sydney Crosby is too good for defense.

C - If you have a large, long nose, you should stick it in Sydney Crosby's ****** - It has that wonderful smell of menstrual fluid every time you sniff. It is also considered a delicacy amongst canadian media personnel specifically Pierre McGuire to drink the fluid to improve whining abilities.

D - 21 is 21 is 21 is 21 and in the NHL thats underage, you cannot be considered a full-flight player until you reach at least 26 years of age until then you will still be considered a rookie.

it was a good book, i suggest you all read it, i think you can get it at barnes and noble.

[Tr!PoD#19 524]

I just got done reading the Hockey Manifesto, My Struggle to Make the NHL the NBA by Dr. Gary Bettman, the official book of ture hockey facts, here are a few key points and the true facts explaining them:

A. Crosby is the best player in the league - This is because no matter what, even if he risks an icing he still knows every empty netter counts and in the end, what would the game be without empty netters with .5 seconds left in the game, it also states that a secondary assist on an empty net goal is as distinguished if not more distinguished than a secondary assist at even strength. He has the uncanny ability to get into the pre-picked for mental weakness referees' heads. He also has the uncanny ability to usurp and annoy Sir Peter Forsberg, the once greatest diver now overshadowed by YHWH on high, Sydney Crosby.

B. Forwards do not have to be good defensively - In fact defensive play is dishonorable. See Malkin's goal agianst the Flyers last year. Any goal that is scored on a cherry pick shall be celebrated automatically as the best goal of the year up to that point excluding other marvelous cherry-pick goals. It would also be good to implement an extra point to the team who gives up the cherry pick for good sportsmanship to allow the cherry to be picked. There is also a clause stating that Sydney Crosby is too good for defense.

C - If you have a large, long nose, you should stick it in Sydney Crosby's ****** - It has that wonderful smell of menstrual fluid every time you sniff. It is also considered a delicacy amongst canadian media personnel specifically Pierre McGuire to drink the fluid to improve whining abilities.

D - 21 is 21 is 21 is 21 and in the NHL thats underage, you cannot be considered a full-flight player until you reach at least 26 years of age until then you will still be considered a rookie.

it was a good book, i suggest you all read it, i think you can get it at barnes and noble.

You are retarded.

Ban.

Edit; You aren't funny either, stop trying...

Edited November 1, 2008 by Tr!PoD#19

[NEpats1028 1]

I think Semin is totally right about Kane.

Kane is one of the best players in the league game in and game out. The kid plays hard and other than Toews, has no real offensive threat on his team. Havlat is always hurt so thats been the norm. Kane deserved rookie or the year. Crosby? Debatable.

[NEpats1028 1]

You are retarded.

Ban.

Edit; You aren't funny either, stop trying...

i agree...pointless post

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Note to Semin: Skill will only get you so far in the NHL. The rest is hard work.

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Look, Cosby is known for his great sitcome so fbulls***. And Crosby is known for his great skills and effort. So while I think Sidney is a little wuss, I think people should respect him a bit more fopr his skills, and he represents something exciting for the game that many teams don't because teh are too defensive minded like the Devils and LeMaire who f***ed up the game with his trap nonsaense. Its not his fault players today hide behind rules and the refs. Remember how bad Malkin's ass got kicked by the Wings? Wings could only contain Crosby for so long beause he's a good player, and even when the rest of the team sucks ass the good players osmehow find a way to score. As I said he may be a little baby and a wuss but he's still a good player.