Capitals' Semin not Impressed by Crosby

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

1)Datsyuk has more RAW talent than anyone in the league, but wouldnt you trade him straight up for Crosby? I for sure would, Crosby isn't that bad defensivily and he is only 21. Seeing as Datsyuk wasent even in the Leauge and has never outscored Crosby in terms of ppg, id take Crosby in a heartbeat.

2) I don't think anyone ever expects him to break Gretzkys records, that would just be impossible, but I think the comparison is that he will be this era's gretzky, leading the league every year, capturing harts, inspiring little candian kids to go out and play hockey, and just promoting the sport in general.

3.Crosby does whine, but wtf was anyone else doing when they were 21? Seriously half of you were probably getting drunk in college whining about the system, its not Crosby's fault that he is a anomaly and most probably gets more female attetion, more money, and more fame than the rest of thsi bored combined? stop being so bitter of other peoples success LGW, its getting old

[CrossoverThrash 0]

Thank you.

Once again people- it's ok to say Crosby is an elite, elite NHL player but say he's not the next Gretzky in the same sentence.

Why the f*** can't people just accept that a good chunk of the population believes Crosby is an elite NHL player but they don't necessarily believe he's the greatest player of the last two decades?

Exactly, he is elite why does it offend people that the Canadain media is wrong about predisposing him as the best player right now because he isn't.

[FedorovGurl 2]

Well the Pens announcers sure took offense to the article. You should have heard them yesterday, it was laughable. I guess Sid is semi-injured or some such crap and everytime he did ANYTHING out there on the ice they chimed in with "and an injured Crosby just made that great pass, wonder what Semin would say about that?" , "and an injured Crosby just made an incredible shot.. gee Semin, guess he isn't that good though right?". UGH! Enough already. Semin is entitled to his opinion but by bringing it up all day/everyday they just brought more attention to the whole situation.

(Oh and I guess they are still pissy about Hossa too. They mentioned that "Malkin has the second best point streak, number one being Marion Hossa" and the other dumbass announcer says "ummm WHO?? ". They need to get over it. Seriously.)

[b.shanafan14 733]

Well the Pens announcers sure took offense to the article. You should have heard them yesterday, it was laughable. I guess Sid is semi-injured or some such crap and everytime he did ANYTHING out there on the ice they chimed in with "and an injured Crosby just made that great pass, wonder what Semin would say about that?" , "and an injured Crosby just made an incredible shot.. gee Semin, guess he isn't that good though right?". UGH! Enough already. Semin is entitled to his opinion but by bringing it up all day/everyday they just brought more attention to the whole situation.

(Oh and I guess they are still pissy about Hossa too. They mentioned that "Malkin has the second best point streak, number one being Marion Hossa" and the other dumbass announcer says "ummm WHO?? ". They need to get over it. Seriously.)

haha thats hilarious, thanks for sharing

[theman19 47]

The worst thing for me, was during the finals. That's when my utter disgust with the media and Crosby reached record levels.

My Finance is just getting into hockey, she literally knows next to nothing about the sport other than "Rod Brind'amour is hot" ( I live in Raleigh) and my favorite team is the red wings.

During the finals she was a tropper and watched every game. Normally she just read a romance novel while i acted like a moron when the game was on.

Finally, during game three she spoke up, it went something like this

"your team is winning right? I mean overall, like the other team hasn't even really put up a fight"

"yeah, we shut them out the past two games"

"Okay, so i have a questions"

"Sure baby, what is it?"

"Is Crosby a guy on your team"

"HELL NO"

"So,......he p lays for the other team"

"Yeah,...."

"So why do the announcers keep bringing up his great play over and over again if he's not doing anything?"

"I have no idea dear, i've been asking myself that for two years"

Yes he's a great player, an elite talent

But why the piss do we have to hear about him every freaking game i watch. We could be playing the blue jackets, but by Bob they'd find a way to bring up cindy's name.

"what a great pass there by rick nash" "Yeah, know who else is that good and younger, Sidney Crosby,....."

It's just stupid how much press he gets.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Youre whining at me so you are too a whining *****, even though neither of us is whining, were actually arguing, theres no where i said Crosby should be traded for R. lang. All ive said this whole thread is Crosby is overrated and too many people here are being sympathetic to him not being the best player in the leauge and people bashing Semin, which he shouldn't be, he never said he himself was better than Crosby, he was echoing a statement that a lot of poeple, and players, obbviously share. Semin is still a good player, not Crosby's caliber but some of you have to get over it.

Anybody who knows me on these boards knows I think Pavel Datsyuk is the best hockey player currently. Not Crosby.

I'm not a Crosby homer by any means.

But i'm not blind either. People make light of what he accomplished at such a young age. I find that funny, like they think the things he accomplished his 1st 2 years in the league are easy things to get done as an 18 and 19 year old.

He's one of the best players in the game. Is he overhyped? Well, if you are easily annoyed and can't accept the fact that a Red Wings player isn't being shown on every commercial, yeah he's probably overhyped to that person.

I don't think he's overhyped. He will be this generation's Wayne Gretzky. Time will confirm this.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Exactly, he is elite why does it offend people that the Canadain media is wrong about predisposing him as the best player right now because he isn't.

There's a flip side to that coin.

I think and there are others here that feel Datsyuk is the best. Still others think Z, Ovechkin, Lidstrom or even Iginla is the best player in the league.

I don't think it's unanimously believed anywhere, be it Canada, Europe or in the US who is the best active player.

The point is those who say it's Crosby have just as much right too believe it as someone who thinks it's AO, or Datsyuk. Those guys are all worthy of being in contention.

[CrossoverThrash 0]

There's a flip side to that coin.

I think and there are others here that feel Datsyuk is the best. Still others think Z, Ovechkin, Lidstrom or even Iginla is the best player in the league.

I don't think it's unanimously believed anywhere, be it Canada, Europe or in the US who is the best active player.

The point is those who say it's Crosby have just as much right too believe it as someone who thinks it's AO, or Datsyuk. Those guys are all worthy of being in contention.

but a majority of people say crosby and for the most predisposed reasons, ovechkin didn't have nearly as much hype as Crosby, he just came out and proved he was really a really good top 10 player

[akustyk 84]

He's one of the best players in the game. Is he overhyped? Well, if you are easily annoyed and can't accept the fact that a Red Wings player isn't being shown on every commercial, yeah he's probably overhyped to that person.

welll, Gordie.... I'm not in the Crosby bashing camp although I'm not big fan of him either.

IMHO the main point here is not the fact that it's him instead of Wings player but rather

that whenever you turn some NHL game on TV you're sure bet to see Crosby ad and

have great chance of hearing how great he is. yes, he's great but he's not that much better

than anyone else to justify number of other NHL prime stars being blatantly omitted. it's not

that Crosby is walking on the water and guys like Joe Thorton, Ovie or even Gino Malkin

are wuss.

I think theman19 gave prime example of what many users feel about Crosby. we would

just want not to be told Crosby's second coming of Jesus Christ every time we turn on TV's

or sopasts we'd instead gladly hear about Thorton's, Ovechkins or Lidstroms, too.

that's it basically

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

The worst thing for me, was during the finals. That's when my utter disgust with the media and Crosby reached record levels.

My Finance is just getting into hockey, she literally knows next to nothing about the sport other than "Rod Brind'amour is hot" ( I live in Raleigh) and my favorite team is the red wings.

During the finals she was a tropper and watched every game. Normally she just read a romance novel while i acted like a moron when the game was on.

Finally, during game three she spoke up, it went something like this

"your team is winning right? I mean overall, like the other team hasn't even really put up a fight"

"yeah, we shut them out the past two games"

"Okay, so i have a questions"

"Sure baby, what is it?"

"Is Crosby a guy on your team"

"HELL NO"

"So,......he p lays for the other team"

"Yeah,...."

"So why do the announcers keep bringing up his great play over and over again if he's not doing anything?"

"I have no idea dear, i've been asking myself that for two years"

Yes he's a great player, an elite talent

But why the piss do we have to hear about him every freaking game i watch. We could be playing the blue jackets, but by Bob they'd find a way to bring up cindy's name.

"what a great pass there by rick nash" "Yeah, know who else is that good and younger, Sidney Crosby,....."

It's just stupid how much press he gets.

He gets good press for good reason. He was getting hyped well before getting into the NHL. The good hype is warranted and deserved.

It isn't stupid, what's ridiculous is how fans get hissy fits over him being promoed by the media, or Crosby himself, and how obnoxious those hissy fits get.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Seriously, what is this board's occupation with Sidney Crosby? Why all the bitterness? Would you trade the Cup for all that media attention? No? So why not get over it?

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Seriously, what is this board's occupation with Sidney Crosby? Why all the bitterness? Would you trade the Cup for all that media attention? No? So why not get over it?

For me, it has absolutely nothing with our favorite team winning a Cup and beating Crosby to get it, Detroit vs. Crosby/Pittsburgh, nothing like that.

He's been promoed as one of the main marketing guys in the league well before he started in the NHL, it was planned for a long while that he would be a big piece of the marketing of the NHL, he seems like a good guy who stays out of trouble and all that stuff, I don't see what the huge fuss is, unless Crosby bullied some people in here when they were kids or stole their lunch money or something.

If it bothers you (not you specifically BTRD) that much, hit the mute button, change the channel like I do with most politics lately, find a different NHL channel on Center Ice, etc.

EDIT: If somebody tries to counter with me that I don't hear as much since I don't live in more of a hockey climate geographically.....I read sports sites online just about every day for hockey news. I have Center Ice. I have plenty of access to hockey news and media. I take a lot of sports writing though with a grain of salt, because there's so much information you can read and so many ways you can twist articles around to where you get overly annoyed or overly happy too much by what somebody says or writes. I don't have time and don't want to make time to find ways to get angry from media slants/bias since there's so much info out there and so much going on. It's not worth it to me.

Edited November 3, 2008 by SouthernWingsFan

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

but a majority of people say crosby and for the most predisposed reasons, ovechkin didn't have nearly as much hype as Crosby, he just came out and proved he was really a really good top 10 player

Crosby had all the hype, because he ripped up the QMJHL, came in and scored 100 points at 18 how is that not proving he's a really good top 10 forward?

121 games 120 goals 183 assists 303 points. The hype was deserved there arent alot of people in the past or in the future that will score like that in major junior hockey.

152 games 36 goals 33 assists 69 points playing for Dynamo Moscow. That's why Ovechkin didnt get hype, not that he wasnt as good as Crosby, he didnt produce near as well as him as pre-NHLers. What more does Crosby need to do for people to give him respect? He's already been in a fight, he hits, he scores, he's got heart and give's 100% every shift. Ovechkin leaves Washington for 4 games to be with his grandfather and it's a feel good story, Crosby does that and people say how he's a bad captain for leaving his team. It's purely bias, put it aside, and you'd see how good a player Crosby really is.

Edited November 3, 2008 by Detroit # 1 Fan

[CrossoverThrash 0]

For me, it has absolutely nothing with our favorite team winning a Cup and beating Crosby to get it, Detroit vs. Crosby/Pittsburgh, nothing like that.

He's been promoed as one of the main marketing guys in the league well before he started in the NHL, it was planned for a long while that he would be a big piece of the marketing of the NHL, he seems like a good guy who stays out of trouble and all that stuff, I don't see what the huge fuss is, unless Crosby bullied some people in here when they were kids or stole their lunch money or something.

If it bothers you (not you specifically BTRD) that much, hit the mute button, change the channel like I do with most politics lately, find a different NHL channel on Center Ice, etc.

EDIT: If somebody tries to counter with me that I don't hear as much since I don't live in more of a hockey climate geographically.....I read sports sites online just about every day for hockey news. I have Center Ice. I have plenty of access to hockey news and media. I take a lot of sports writing though with a grain of salt, because there's so much information you can read and so many ways you can twist articles around to where you get overly annoyed or overly happy too much by what somebody says or writes. I don't have time and don't want to make time to find ways to get angry from media slants/bias since there's so much info out there and so much going on. It's not worth it to me.

Crosby is overrated, i would take him on my team any time, would I trade for him? No, because of the over hype it would take lids, datsyuk, and Z just to get him and those 3 players combined are 1000x better than just having crosby on your team.

[CrossoverThrash 0]

Crosby had all the hype, because he ripped up the QMJHL, came in and scored 100 points at 18 how is that not proving he's a really good top 10 forward?

121 games 120 goals 183 assists 303 points. The hype was deserved there arent alot of people in the past or in the future that will score like that in major junior hockey.

152 games 36 goals 33 assists 69 points playing for Dynamo Moscow. That's why Ovechkin didnt get hype, not that he wasnt as good as Crosby, he didnt produce near as well as him as pre-NHLers. What more does Crosby need to do for people to give him respect? He's already been in a fight, he hits, he scores, he's got heart and give's 100% every shift. Ovechkin leaves Washington for 4 games to be with his grandfather and it's a feel good story, Crosby does that and people say how he's a bad captain for leaving his team. It's purely bias, put it aside, and you'd see how good a player Crosby really is.

The Russian Superleague is much tougher than the QMJHL. But regardless, people went way to over the top with crosby, no matter how good a person is they dont deserve that much hype and attention. If anything im more against the moron Canadian media than anything come to think of it. Crosby is a good player, he's not god, im not jealous or biased in saying this. it is purely form the standpoint of how many videos he already has and how he's talked about constantly. i will laugh if crosby never gets a cup to prove how over rated he is. people say if crosby is on your team you're an automatic cup contender which is bs.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

If it bothers you (not you specifically BTRD) that much, hit the mute button, change the channel like I do with most politics lately, find a different NHL channel on Center Ice, etc.

And that's what I do. But the people on here that question how he can possibly live up to the hype certainly shouldn't have their hockey knowledge or anything else questioned. The fact remains that, regardless of the fact that Sidney didn't ask for it, the hype that's been thrown at his name has elevated him to demi-god status in the minds of some. As nearly everyone here has admitted- Crosby's not that far above the other elite players in the NHL. Are Crosby and Ovechkin this generation's Wayne and Mario? After 3 seasons it'd be a huge leap to say that, but it's certainly possible. Let's wait until some time has gone by and records have accumulated. Where would Feds stand in the record books if he had played like he did in the mid nineties all they way until now? He certainly was one of the most purely talented players to play in his era, he just didn't play every night like it was his last game- Sidney does, and that's one of his greatest assets.

All I'm saying is that people should have the right to reserve judgment on where Sidney will stand in hockey history. Some people hate hearing constant streams of hype about anyone. I don't really care whether Crosby asked for the hype- I'm not calling him up and complaining to him about it. I certainly have every right to find the hype annoying, and like it or not, the hype does change how many people view him, just as it would in any other situation with any other person.

The fact is, having known him while he was growing up, I'd probably be a Crosby fan if it weren't for all the hype and marketing. It just wears people down when they hear his name exalted over and over instead of hearing a half-way balanced marketing of all the games elite players. How many Mario fans found the Gretzkymania annoying? If Sid is this era's Gretzky then you shouldn't be surprised if the people who worship this era's Yzerman and Lemieux analogs find the constant Crosby hype annoying.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Crosby had all the hype, because he ripped up the QMJHL, came in and scored 100 points at 18 how is that not proving he's a really good top 10 forward?

Dude- very few intelligent hockey fans doubt that he's a really good top 10 forward! When he is regularly compared to one of greatest hockey players of all time the hype reaches another level.

How many people are sick of hearing the "Obama hype"? How sick would they be of it if they constantly heard him being called the next Washington, the next Lincoln?

[betterREDthandead 58]

Crosby is overrated, i would take him on my team any time, would I trade for him? No, because of the over hype it would take lids, datsyuk, and Z just to get him and those 3 players combined are 1000x better than just having crosby on your team.

The hype has nothing to do with why Crosby would be expensive to obtain.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Dude- very few intelligent hockey fans doubt that he's a really good top 10 forward! When he is regularly compared to one of greatest hockey players of all time the hype reaches another level.

How many people are sick of hearing the "Obama hype"? How sick would they be of it if they constantly heard him being called the next Washington, the next Lincoln?

Read me wrong, I was responding to someone who said Ovechkin proved he was a really god top 10 forward, and Crosby's hype made him one right away. Not that people dont consider him top ten, I'm sure they all do.

Yeah, that'd be a little ridiculous. Would make for funny commercials though

[Tr!PoD#19 524]

Crosby is overrated, i would take him on my team any time, would I trade for him? No, because of the over hype it would take lids, datsyuk, and Z just to get him and those 3 players combined are 1000x better than just having crosby on your team.

Care to explain why he's overrated? Have you told us yet?

[skacore 2]

Care to explain why he's overrated? Have you told us yet?

because all of his points are secondary assists and all of his goals are empty netters DUH

[CrossoverThrash 0]

Care to explain why he's overrated? Have you told us yet?

Becasue he is not god like you think he is.

[Tr!PoD#19 524]

Becasue he is not god like you think he is.

Good reasoning champ.

You say he's overrated, yet you give no reasons as to why you think so. Except for the bulls*** second assist/empty net goal stuff you obviously made up.. unless you watch the Penguins often? I doubt it, considering you hate Crosby.

Also, I've never made the claim that he is the best player in the NHL.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Agree.

I think we are all off focus, with a Crosby sucks vs. Crosby is god separation. To me what Semin was saying is dead on, and what he was saying is this: Crosby, beyond his youth, is just another GREAT player, but you've decided to put him on a pedestal and ignore a league full of similar superstars that have other talents besides simply getting points and being young.

Does Crosby deserve press? Yes. Does he deserve 90% of the press? Hell no. Crosby goes anywhere, does anything, someone is there with a camera. Ovechkin who is equally good, more of a goal scorer, more physical, and in many people's opinion a much more exciting player, we hear about in the 10 minutes before and after he wins the Calder or Hart.

The point is that Crosby isn't Gretzky, he is not heads and shoulders above the rest, he is near the top of the pack and he is young, but what happened to the rest of the pack, can we see some of them??

Also agreed. As I mentioned before, the NHL needs to start marketing other players as well, instead of having Crosby take up the grand majority of the advertising. Players like Thornton, Iginla, Ovechkin are also top tier player who would be marketing tools to people who don't know them outside of San Jose, Calgary and Washington.

[CrossoverThrash 0]

Good reasoning champ.

You say he's overrated, yet you give no reasons as to why you think so. Except for the bulls*** second assist/empty net goal stuff you obviously made up.. unless you watch the Penguins often? I doubt it, considering you hate Crosby.

Also, I've never made the claim that he is the best player in the NHL.

He is overrated because there are several players that are better than him yet he is time and itme agian considered the best player. YOu obviously are *** for crosby.