Helm up, McCarty tp GR (+ line combos vs Habs)

[uk_redwing 495]

Lilja will TKO all those suckers.

[uk_redwing 495]

Anaheim

Vancouver

Calgary

Chicago

Dallas

Bruins

We're playing those teams in the next 2 weeks

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Are you really this clueless? Laraque isn't the only tough guy on the team, he would've been a healthy scratch likely anyhow... Look at Montreal's fight totals- Each one of these guys can be scrappy and sure as hell can hit.

2008-2009 Regular Season Fighting Majors Leaders

Rank Player Fight Totals

1 Georges Laraque 4

2 Francis Bouillon 2

3 Tom Kostopoulos 2

4 Steve Begin 1

5 Michael Komisarek 1

6 Maxim Lapierre 1

7 Guillaume Latendresse 1

So because 4 of those 7 players got in one fight over the course of the first 25% of the season they are all of a sudden "fighters". How many fights do you think you're going to see tonight? How many would even be necessary against this team?

Talk about Clueless....

[12Newf 0]

Oh that's right, they let him go and got really soft... they signed one of the top HeavyWeights... Eric Godard due to contractual issues that Laraque wanted way too much money for his role.

Do your research before you tell someone to get a grip.

if you still tell people that you love hockey when really its just the fighting that makes you watch...PICK A NEW TEAM TO CHEER FOR. i suggest the ducks, the flyers...maybe the flames? i've even taken the liberty of finding you a new website to post on. its called Hockey Fights and there are a whole mess of like minded people who rarely look at the score of a game but dissect every second of fights like boxing matches. stop complaining about the lack of fighting, and maybe notice the abundance of winning instead. it takes an especially ungrateful fan to complain about EVERY move this team makes when they just won the stanley cup and play an exciting brand of hockey.

hey i bet if we trade that "soft" zetterberg guy we could get godard from pittsburgh! oh who am i kidding, i guess it was just some wishful thinking on my part. its a shame though, it would have solved all of those problems detroits been having.

[whatNext? 0]

We're playing those teams in the next 2 weeks

Yup, yup. So I guess we'll get too see how long this "adjusting the roster due to our opponent" sticks around won't we?

[up2here 41]

Are you really this clueless? Laraque isn't the only tough guy on the team, he would've been a healthy scratch likely anyhow... Look at Montreal's fight totals- Each one of these guys can be scrappy and sure as hell can hit.

2008-2009 Regular Season Fighting Majors Leaders

Rank Player Fight Totals

1 Georges Laraque 4

2 Francis Bouillon 2

3 Tom Kostopoulos 2

4 Steve Begin 1

5 Michael Komisarek 1

6 Maxim Lapierre 1

7 Guillaume Latendresse 1

And we dont have anyone that can hit or be scrappy? C'mon man I guarantee none of the Wings fear the wrath of Francis Bouillion.

[up2here 41]

OK, so say, I dunno - when we play the Ducks who should we send down in lieu of bringing up tougher guys. I mean give me a break. By the rationalization being used we would be bringing up "tough guys" (Downey, McCarty and some would say Adbekater sp?) whenever we played teams such as:

Anaheim

Vancouver

Calgary

Chicago

Colorado

Dallas

Edmonton

Philly

If that's how it's going to be then great. But we both know that never, ever, ever, ever, would happen.

Here's to a well rounded team!

Then go watch another team,we dont need you.

[whatNext? 0]

Well thanks for your second grade declaration.

Please do me a favor - keep on deciding who the Detroit Red Wings need and don't need as fans.

Does your overly intelligent self even know why those teams were listed in my post or no? Probably not.

[Heaton 1]

The whining is predictable but fear not Helm is more than likely back to GR after tonight's game with McCarty coming back. This move was all about creating energy after a long road trip.

Since many of you will just gloss over the fact (and my post for that matter), please continue to overreact and grab your umbrellas to shield yourself from the falling sky.

[Guest E_S_A_D]

hey i bet if we trade that "soft" zetterberg guy we could get godard from pittsburgh! oh who am i kidding, i guess it was just some wishful thinking on my part. its a shame though, it would have solved all of those problems detroits been having.

Silly argument here. I never said getting rid of one of your star premier forwards was smart. That's just silly... I never expected Gretzky to fight when I watched him play (although he did ocassionally), but I knew that he'd have protection if needed. That's all it is.

You can tell those who have played the game and those who have not. Having a guy that's willing to protect you resinates not only throughout the locker room, but on the ice.

It's scary to me to think that Gary Bettman has gotten through to so many of you... Very scary... From the days of ESPN's primetime to a tiny network called Versus, our 'faithful followers' of Bettman will lead us. Pretty soon... NHL, CONGRATULATIONS- PAY PER VIEW ONLY!

[Frozen-Man 144]

I think I'm going to skip the December 30th game I was going to go to against Chicago... One of my friends is in store for free section 114 tickets.

I'm headed to GR! Downey and Mac? Heart, determination, and standing up for your teammates? Yes!

Poor Hossa, he must think it's a practical joke... he had the protection of Georges Laraque last year, now he's got the protection of... Lilja? LOL

Yeah because Mac (as much as I love him) has offered so much protection. Additionally, Mac fought his last fight not to stand up for a teammate but because he "owed" Darcy one. Hossa knew what he was getting when he came here and - shock- he turned down the Pens to come here. He doesn't seem too sad with his choice. But who knows maybe Babcock and Holland don't have a clue how to do their job. . . wait they win (which is the goal after all).

The NHL should change their standings and who gets into the playoffs. The ducks should be in first place right now because they lead the league with 28 fights this season, the Sharks should be fighting for a spot in the playoffs because they are in only 14th place in the NHL in fights (they have 15 fights), and MAN DO THE WINGS SUCK they are the worst team in the NHL with only 6 fights. Kenny should just blow the whole team up and start from scratch building a team around Georges Laraque, Brandon Prust, George Parros, Riley Cote, Ian Laperriere, and Sean Avery (no goalie they hardly ever fight in the NHL) - there wouldn't even be a reason to hold the playoffs just give those 6 guys the Cup to share between themselves (of course if you look at the standings even with all their awesome fights the Ducks have played 3 more games than the Wings, are still down 5 points to the Wings, have scored fewer goals, and allowed more to be scored on them).

All I'm saying is that perhaps Mike Ilitch knew what he was doing when he hired Holland, Babcock, and Stevie Y, and perhaps they know a bit more about hockey, how to put a team together, and how to win, than people on this board. If that is not the case go see Mike maybe he'll get rid of those guys destroying the Wings franchise and give you a shot at the helm.

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

Poor Hossa, he must think it's a practical joke... he had the protection of Georges Laraque last year, now he's got the protection of... Lilja? LOL

What does Hossa need protection for? Give me an example when there should have been a fight because of something questionable done to Hossa?

[Guest E_S_A_D]

The whining is predictable but fear not Helm is more than likely back to GR after tonight's game with McCarty coming back. This move was all about creating energy after a long road trip.

Since many of you will just gloss over the fact (and my post for that matter), please continue to overreact and grab your umbrellas to shield yourself from the falling sky.

LOL! You literally just quoted Ken Holland in his recent interview. Shouldn't you site him as a source?

[Heaton 1]

Man, some of your guys faces are going to be so red when McCarty is back on the bench this weekend. Yikes!

[Heaton 1]

LOL! You literally just quoted Ken Holland in his recent interview. Shouldn't you site him as a source?

I actually reiterated what Bruce MacLeod just said on a different board.

[Guest E_S_A_D]

Yeah because Mac (as much as I love him) has offered so much protection. Additionally, Mac fought his last fight not to stand up for a teammate but because he "owed" Darcy one. Hossa knew what he was getting when he came here and - shock- he turned down the Pens to come here. He doesn't seem too sad with his choice. But who knows maybe Babcock and Holland don't have a clue how to do their job. . . wait they win (which is the goal after all).

The NHL should change their standings and who gets into the playoffs. The ducks should be in first place right now because they lead the league with 28 fights this season, the Sharks should be fighting for a spot in the playoffs because they are in only 14th place in the NHL in fights (they have 15 fights), and MAN DO THE WINGS SUCK they are the worst team in the NHL with only 6 fights. Kenny should just blow the whole team up and start from scratch building a team around Georges Laraque, Brandon Prust, George Parros, Riley Cote, Ian Laperriere, and Sean Avery (no goalie they hardly ever fight in the NHL) - there wouldn't even be a reason to hold the playoffs just give those 6 guys the Cup to share between themselves (of course if you look at the standings even with all their awesome fights the Ducks have played 3 more games than the Wings, are still down 5 points to the Wings, have scored fewer goals, and allowed more to be scored on them).

All I'm saying is that perhaps Mike Ilitch knew what he was doing when he hired Holland, Babcock, and Stevie Y, and perhaps they know a bit more about hockey, how to put a team together, and how to win, than people on this board. If that is not the case go see Mike maybe he'll get rid of those guys destroying the Wings franchise and give you a shot at the helm.

ZzzzzZZzzzZzzz... It's a SLOW day at the office for me, but my goodness I'm not reading that much!

[Guest E_S_A_D]

I actually reiterated what Bruce MacLeod just said on a different board.

He posts on another board? Or you referring to his blogspot on Red Wings Corner?

Bruce is a good guy, he'll be first to tell you that Wings need an enforcer.

Actually to Edit- Bruce said this recently if we're reiterating his stances on things...

Darren McCarty can still fight. He's not a heavyweight, but he's getting the job done and I never would have thought he could when he joined the club last spring. He clearly beat Zack Stortini, Monday night, making it two fights in a row that he's won. Aaron Downey is a better fighter, but McCarty is a better hockey player, more skilled, more positionally sound. Again, I never would have thought it last spring. McCarty has turned me into a fan.

Edited November 26, 2008 by E_S_A_D

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

As has been stated already, the only people this really effects is the ones that get soaked dreams about seeing a fight.

I like a good scrap just like anybody else but the ones who scream like groupie teenage girls when they hear their favorite boy band song really need to get a grip and get off their soapboxes when it comes to fights and toughness.

I like fighting. I like enforcers. I'd hang out with a fighter or an enforcer and buy a fighter or enforcer a beer.

Some others like fighting more. Some others like enforcers more. Great. Hang out with a fighter or an enforcer and buy a fighter and enforcer two beers instead of one. Nothing wrong with that. Nobody is going to get on your case for liking this more, at least not me.

But your liking of this a lot more is resulting in your act and drama queen rants that this team is soft and in deep s**t. And it is beyond ridiculous, it is tiring, and pathetic. That I will get on your case for all day.

Lay off the idiot fuel. Please. I'm begging you. I'll even buy you a beer if you do. I might even do your Christmas shopping and pick up the tab.

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

I'm relatively new here, but are the Mods on this board all Ken Holland's cousins; maybe Al's?

Or... I'm sensing a strong Swedish dialect.

Every Red Wings fan should have learned some Swedish by now.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Well thanks for your second grade declaration.

Please do me a favor - keep on deciding who the Detroit Red Wings need and don't need as fans.

Does your overly intelligent self even know why those teams were listed in my post or no? Probably not.

I know this comment was directed at UP2HERE, but we all have the right to our own opinion...including you.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Silly argument here. I never said getting rid of one of your star premier forwards was smart. That's just silly... I never expected Gretzky to fight when I watched him play (although he did ocassionally), but I knew that he'd have protection if needed. That's all it is.

You can tell those who have played the game and those who have not. Having a guy that's willing to protect you resinates not only throughout the locker room, but on the ice.

It's scary to me to think that Gary Bettman has gotten through to so many of you... Very scary... From the days of ESPN's primetime to a tiny network called Versus, our 'faithful followers' of Bettman will lead us. Pretty soon... NHL, CONGRATULATIONS- PAY PER VIEW ONLY!

I've played the game my whole life and competitively for 15 years. This isn't about Bettman getting through to us....its about fielding the best team given the current place the league is in. What sense does it make to field a team of apes in *this* NHL?

Sidenote: Making a comment like "You can tell those who have played the game and those who have not" is like calling someone Hitler in a debate. It should be over and you lose by default.

[The Secret 304]

Lol, TOTALLY AGREE!

It's obvious it's going to take a Hossa, Datsyuk, Zetterberg caliber injury from a big hit from a guy like Janssen or someone for the Wings to wake up and listen to their OWN Captain, Nick Lidstrom. Lidstrom has said repeatedly the team plays more relaxed and likes knowing they don't have to keep their head up QUITE as much with a Downey type player on the ice.

What a joke.

I think this will prove to be a great change and I am liking the new look of the 3rd line.

Downey or McCarty playing 5 minutes a game on the 4th line will not stop any cheapshots to people on our 1st, 2nd, or 3rd line. If someone is going to injure one of our stars its not going to be because Downey or McCarty are not there to protect them... they don't play on the same line together so how can they be protected by them?

[Frozen-Man 144]

You're right, we'd be much better off with DMac on the ice so the Canadiens will have someone to skate around ... the 3 minutes of icetime and the intimidation factor (I think i hear their knees knocking now) would be much more beneficial than having a guy with jump, energy, speed, and an agressive forecheck. I like Mac as much as the next guy, but tonight's game isn't one where he's got much to offer ... he'll be back soon enough.

:hysterical:

[Heaton 1]

He posts on another board? Or you referring to his blogspot on Red Wings Corner?

Bruce is a good guy, he'll be first to tell you that Wings need an enforcer.

They also need energy, which is why Helm is up for one or two games. I'm actually really curious now, were you serious about selling all of your Wings tickets after McCarty was sent down and before an explanation was given? Sounds like a really weird knee-jerk reaction even for a fight fan.

I mean, it's painfully obvious that McCarty will be with the team for the rest of the season for the most part so I don't see why you jumped off the bridge so quickly.

[Guest E_S_A_D]

I think this will prove to be a great change and I am liking the new look of the 3rd line.

Downey or McCarty playing 5 minutes a game on the 4th line will not stop any cheapshots to people on our 1st, 2nd, or 3rd line. If someone is going to injure one of our stars its not going to be because Downey or McCarty are not there to protect them... they don't play on the same line together so how can they be protected by them?

Shouldn't you swap your Bob Probert Avatar for Sid the kid?