OsGOD 3 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) nah not me.... as if anything in the thread was actually pretty pathetic to begin with.... we have a person whom was called sloppy seconds possibly offended all the while it only became a problem because she likes to blog her LOLZ on nhl.com or wherever her intellegent coversations about "almost" meeting Gretzky occured. Edited December 10, 2008 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Indeed Bettman has f***ed plenty of things up. But it's not like other portions of the league (i.e. players) are coming to Avery's defense. That's why I find it funny when people actually try to blame this on Bettman. well...i don;'t know...im thinking maybe the players are not in the posistion to really say much out of fear of being suspended or brought in the light as well...i mean if you were a player that agreed with what avrey does are you going to really admit it on camera? probably not. have you seen what THE mullet had to say about it? hmmmm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drwscc 212 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Where are the Hulls of today? Where are the up and coming Roenicks? You NEED entertaining players to help market the game and make it more entertaining. All Bettman is doing is stifling anyone who wants to be the next Brett Hull and provide some entertainment. If I'm a player, I would be terrified of making some of the comments Chelios and Hull are famous for now, for fear of getting suspended and losing my job. But hey, lets just have everyone in the leage give the same interview as Crosby all the time, and watch the interest dwindle. At least it's "sportsmanship" right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) well...i don;'t know...im thinking maybe the players are not in the posistion to really say much out of fear of being suspended or brought in the light as well...i mean if you were a player that agreed with what avrey does are you going to really admit it on camera? probably not. have you seen what THE mullet had to say about it? hmmmm. I'll pose to you the same question I posed to OsGOD, who failed in actually answering it. Was Hull an avid Bettman ass kisser as a player? How many suspensions does he have for the things he said to the media about the league, league rules, or about Bettman himself? If you're going to suggest that players cannot criticize the league or Bettman out of fear of being suspended, at least show where criticism of either, particularly of the most critical people, like Hull, or even Roenick, has resulted in suspensions. Otherwise it's simply another baseless assertion. It's one thing to rightfully suggest Bettman is ******* up the NHL. That much has long been clear. However, people are taking their obsession with Bettman way too far, and are making false claims based upon zero evidence that would back up what they're saying. Edited December 10, 2008 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drwscc 212 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 I'll pose to you the same question I posed to OsGOD, who failed in actually answering it. Was Hull an avid Bettman ass kisser as a player? How many suspensions does he have for the things he said to the media about the league, league rules, or about Bettman himself? If you're going to suggest that players cannot criticize the league or Bettman out of fear of being suspended, at least show where criticism of either, particularly of the most critical people, like Hull, or even Roenick, has resulted in suspensions. Otherwise it's simply another baseless assertion. It's one thing to rightfully suggest Bettman is ******* up the NHL. That much has long been clear. However, people are taking their obsession with Bettman way too far, and are making false claims based upon zero evidence that would back up what they're saying. I don't recall anyone being suspended for *any* off ice comments before Avery. So no, Hull wasn't suspended, but there wasn't a precedent set either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 I'll pose to you the same question I posed to OsGOD, who failed in actually answering it. Was Hull an avid Bettman ass kisser as a player? How many suspensions does he have for the things he said to the media about the league, league rules, or about Bettman himself? If you're going to suggest that players cannot criticize the league or Bettman out of fear of being suspended, at least show where criticism of either, particularly of the most critical people, like Hull, or even Roenick, has resulted in suspensions. Otherwise it's simply another baseless assertion. It's one thing to rightfully suggest Bettman is ******* up the NHL. That much has long been clear. However, people are taking their obsession with Bettman way too far, and are making false claims based upon zero evidence that would back up what they're saying. its called human nature...answer my question. you always seem to bypass answering everyones direct questions to you. i asked you would you have said you liked what he said and agreed with what avrey does in public? just asnswer that. i don't want to see anymore crap just answer that simple question. if you were a player would you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 All Bettman is doing is stifling anyone who wants to be the next Brett Hull and provide some entertainment. Or just reprimanding someone for crossing the line. Is the suspension overlong?--Whoa, deja vu again! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted December 10, 2008 I don't recall anyone being suspended for *any* off ice comments before Avery. So no, Hull wasn't suspended, but there wasn't a precedent set either. Since the NHL determines what is detrimental conduct, and because they cannot foresee everything (hope this sounds familiar), there will be people who set new standards of ways to be suspended. Congratulate Avery. He found one. its called human nature...answer my question. you always seem to bypass answering everyones direct questions to you. i asked you would you have said you liked what he said and agreed with what avrey does in public? just asnswer that. i don't want to see anymore crap just answer that simple question. if you were a player would you. Your question is rather asinine. What does everything a player does in public have to do with a player in a locker room, at the venue where the game would take place, making an obscene statement about another player's girlfriend to the media? Nothing at all. How many people have been suspended for criticizing Bettman? Surely your fear of this must have some sort of substantial evidence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Since the NHL determines what is detrimental conduct, and because they cannot foresee everything (hope this sounds familiar), there will be people who set new standards of ways to be suspended. Congratulate Avery. He found one. Your question is rather asinine. What does everything a player does in public have to do with a player in a locker room, at the venue where the game would take place, making an obscene statement about another player's girlfriend to the media? Nothing at all. How many people have been suspended for criticizing Bettman? Surely your fear of this must have some sort of substantial evidence. asinine..my posts!?!?! hahahahahah right shoreline and everyone loves when you post. hahahahahahah im trying to get you to answer something but again you don't.you come up with some smart ass answer like every other post in this thread and just about every other thread you post in..grow up kid and stop trying to argue with everyone and answer the questions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) asinine..my posts!?!?! hahahahahah right shoreline and everyone loves when you post. hahahahahahah im trying to get you to answer something but again you don't.you come up with some smart ass answer like every other post in this thread and just about every other thread you post in..grow up kid and stop trying to argue with everyone and answer the questions. You were unable to back up your assertion of players afraid of action being taken against them by the league for speaking out against Bettman, even though this action isn't an infrequent occurrence -- and yet no one is suspended. I actually care to stick to relevant s***, rather than demand others go on some theoretical escapade to nowhere with me. On another note, I also wonder how many times players have gone to the media making obscene sexual comments regarding another player and his girlfriend? See that, hbwf? Relevant question. You should try it. Edited December 10, 2008 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 asinine..my posts!?!?! hahahahahah right shoreline and everyone loves when you post. hahahahahahah im trying to get you to answer something but again you don't.you come up with some smart ass answer like every other post in this thread and just about every other thread you post in..grow up kid and stop trying to argue with everyone and answer the questions. The answer is he wouldn't, but he won't say that because it's giving in to your point and there's no way in hell he's doing THAT regardless of how ridiculous he may look. I haven't seen any coach or player actually employed by the NHL speak out against Avery's suspension. I wonder why? All the coaches and players are in 100% agreement with it? Hard to believe, especially when there is so much dissention amongst the media types and fans on this subject. Of course media types and fans are immune to any punishment from the league so they can speak their mind as they please but that's beside the point right Shoreline? Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it ain't there. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 You were unable to back up your assertion of players afraid of action being taken against them by the league for speaking out against Bettman, even though this action isn't an infrequent occurrence -- and yet no one is suspended. I actually care to stick to relevant s***, rather than demand others go on some theoretical escapade to nowhere with me. On another note, I also wonder how many times players have gone to the media making obscene sexual comments regarding another player and his girlfriend? See that, hbwf? Relevant question. You should try it. i know a lot of things you should try shoreline but i don;t want to get banned from here because of your posts. 1 thing how about answering the question i asked without going over board to try and argue. im not trying to argue with you..i asked a simple question to try and establish something. it was because of this post i asked that question. now tell me how my question wasn't relevant to that post "Indeed Bettman has f***ed plenty of things up. But it's not like other portions of the league (i.e. players) are coming to Avery's defense. That's why I find it funny when people actually try to blame this on Bettman." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 The answer is he wouldn't, but he won't say that because it's giving in to your point and there's no way in hell he's doing THAT regardless of how ridiculous he may look. I haven't seen any coach or player actually employed by the NHL speak out against Avery's suspension. I wonder why? All the coaches and players are in 100% agreement with it? Hard to believe, especially when there is so much dissention amongst the media types and fans on this subject. Of course media types and fans are immune to any punishment from the league so they can speak their mind as they please but that's beside the point right Shoreline? Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it ain't there. esteef thanks esteef.. now get ready for him to totally jump around your post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 The answer is he wouldn't, but he won't say that because it's giving in to your point and there's no way in hell he's doing THAT regardless of how ridiculous he may look. I haven't seen any coach or player actually employed by the NHL speak out against Avery's suspension. I wonder why? All the coaches and players are in 100% agreement with it? Hard to believe, especially when there is so much dissention amongst the media types and fans on this subject. Of course media types and fans are immune to any punishment from the league so they can speak their mind as they please but that's beside the point right Shoreline? Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it ain't there. esteef To piggy back your idea or add to it whatever you want to call this post. Joey Porter came out in defense of Plaxico Burress, the players union has filed a grievance on his behalf. This man broke the law, had an unlicensed concealed handgun and has players and the union defending him. AVERY no one will defend! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted December 10, 2008 i know a lot of things you should try shoreline but i don;t want to get banned from here because of your posts. 1 thing how about answering the question i asked without going over board to try and argue. im not trying to argue with you..i asked a simple question to try and establish something. it was because of this post i asked that question. now tell me how my question wasn't relevant to that post "Indeed Bettman has f***ed plenty of things up. But it's not like other portions of the league (i.e. players) are coming to Avery's defense. That's why I find it funny when people actually try to blame this on Bettman." If you can't argue like a big boy and cause yourself to get banned, that's not exactly my fault. Plain and simple, it's a dumb question you asked. None of us are players in the NHL. What would it matter in the slightest bit what I thought as one? There's already enough players in the league to be able to figure it out already. How many have come forth in his defense? Maybe you're missing the fact here that this is a professional league, and players, especially when at the venue they are playing at, are representations of it. This action was deemed detrimental conduct to the league because it's not the WWE league. If you want a male soap opera with dramatic distractions to the actual event, by all means, have a blast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) The answer is he wouldn't, but he won't say that because it's giving in to your point and there's no way in hell he's doing THAT regardless of how ridiculous he may look. I haven't seen any coach or player actually employed by the NHL speak out against Avery's suspension. I wonder why? All the coaches and players are in 100% agreement with it? Hard to believe, especially when there is so much dissention amongst the media types and fans on this subject. Of course media types and fans are immune to any punishment from the league so they can speak their mind as they please but that's beside the point right Shoreline? Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it ain't there. esteef Of course there's dissent with it. I don't agree with a good portion of s*** the league does. However, this pertains to the case at hand, not everything else the league does. If a person makes a suggestion that speaking out against Bettman means they get suspended, which is why players didn't come out in Avery's defense, they likely should at least show who's been suspended. Right now the only thing that IS apparent, is players, especially his own teammates, and even opponents, have come out and said how stupid it was, and deserving at that. And your only argument is "just because you can't see it doesn't mean it ain't there"? Why should I give in to a point without any basis or rationality? You haven't an ounce of credibility behind that argument. Edited December 10, 2008 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) I'll pose to you the same question I posed to OsGOD, who failed in actually answering it. Was Hull an avid Bettman ass kisser as a player? How many suspensions does he have for the things he said to the media about the league, league rules, or about Bettman himself? If you're going to suggest that players cannot criticize the league or Bettman out of fear of being suspended, at least show where criticism of either, particularly of the most critical people, like Hull, or even Roenick, has resulted in suspensions. Otherwise it's simply another baseless assertion. It's one thing to rightfully suggest Bettman is ******* up the NHL. That much has long been clear. However, people are taking their obsession with Bettman way too far, and are making false claims based upon zero evidence that would back up what they're saying. Its called that was back in the day... now as said before this was the first time it has happened. You kinda gotta look at it like the Netting on the rinks. It took something to start that.. albeit i feel bad it took a death but same goes here. It took one suspension now and the bar has been set. Imagine some fan recording an incident off the rink where a player was caught saying something (GOD FORBID) worse than "sloppy seconds" If they don't suspend them for longer than 6-days it would be a mockery of the all ready messed up disiplinary part of the NHL. So in short, bettman has now set the bar. Hull, Roenick and Cheli would definitely be suspended for saying the s*** they have before in TODAYS NHL realm *if and only if* the NHL would hold all players to the same standards. Which i do understand that is 100% not the case. Edited December 10, 2008 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Of course there's dissent with it. I don't agree with a good portion of s*** the league does. However, this pertains to the case at hand, not everything else the league does. If a person makes a suggestion that speaking out against Bettman means they get suspended, which is why players didn't come out in Avery's defense, they likely should at least show who's been suspended. Right now the only thing that IS apparent, is players, especially his own teammates, and even opponents, have come out and said how stupid it was, and deserving at that. And your only argument is "just because you can't see it doesn't mean it ain't there"? Why should I give in to a point without any basis or rationality? You haven't an ounce of credibility behind that argument. the stupid thing is you just said you self avrey found a new way to get suspended...maybe the players think the same way????hmmmmm oh yeah my question was stupid...hahahahaha get over your self shoreline. you still never answered the question....hahahaha its funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 how about a nice little cup of "shut the f*** up"? would you like that hot or cold? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Its called that was back in the day... now as said before this was the first time it has happened. You kinda gotta look at it like the Netting on the rinks. It took something to start that.. albeit i feel bad it took a death but same goes here. It took one suspension now and the bar has been set. Imagine some fan recording an incident off the rink where a player was caught saying something (GOD FORBID) worse than "sloppy seconds" If they don't suspend them for longer than 6-days it would be a mockery of the all ready messed up disiplinary part of the NHL. So in short, bettman has now set the bar. Hull, Roenick and Cheli would definitely be suspended for saying the s*** they have before in TODAYS NHL realm no no osgod...they never were so why would they be now...thats shorelines thinking but he did say that avrey found a new way to get suspended...im confused. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) no no osgod...they never were so why would they be now...thats shorelines thinking but he did say that avrey found a new way to get suspended...im confused. wait you are confusing me also.. i thought the point was they werent suspended before ergo that was the rebuttal to people not standing up for avery now... The spoke out in the past and didn't get busted so they should be able to now. Right? I am jsut saying they aren't now becuase given what avery got suspended for THEY sure as hell should get suspended in today NHL... Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it ain't there. esteef out of sight out of mind... you got that right baby! Edited December 10, 2008 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Its called that was back in the day... now as said before this was the first time it has happened. You kinda gotta look at it like the Netting on the rinks. It took something to start that.. albeit i feel bad it took a death but same goes here. It took one suspension now and the bar has been set. Imagine some fan recording an incident off the rink where a player was caught saying something (GOD FORBID) worse than "sloppy seconds" If they don't suspend them for longer than 6-days it would be a mockery of the all ready messed up disiplinary part of the NHL. So in short, bettman has now set the bar. Hull, Roenick and Cheli would definitely be suspended for saying the s*** they have before in TODAYS NHL realm *if and only if* the NHL would hold all players to the same standards. Which i do understand that is 100% not the case. I'm not in disagreement that the suspension is setting a new standard, but can you even name how many times a player has gone to the media and said sexually obscene s*** about some other player and their girlfriend? I mean, I've only watched hockey for 15 years but I can't think of a single one. These antics also represent a new standard. Just like NHL or the venue being liable for fans getting killed by a puck (which the nets were directly a reaction to), they need to make adjustments. I would be more than willing to join your side if it was evident that people say this sort of s*** all the time and the league is just picking on Avery. However, I go with the evidence, not with the Bettman-bashing-bandwagon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 I'm not in disagreement that the suspension is setting a new standard, but can you even name how many times a player has gone to the media and said sexually obscene s*** about some other player and their girlfriend? I mean, I've only watched hockey for 15 years but I can't think of a single one. These antics also represent a new standard. Just like NHL or the venue being liable for fans getting killed by a puck (which the nets were directly a reaction to), they need to make adjustments. I would be more than willing to join your side if it was evident that people say this sort of s*** all the time and the league is just picking on Avery. However, I go with the evidence, not with the Bettman-bashing-bandwagon. but the point has been made shoreline that hull and others have done a lot worse things while in hockey on and off the ice with no suspension....but you must have passed over that as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted December 10, 2008 but the point has been made shoreline that hull and others have done a lot worse things while in hockey on and off the ice with no suspension....but you must have passed over that as well. Show me what worse things Hull has done than this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted December 10, 2008 Thats the whole thing... I have no problem with new rules being set by bettman in accordance to avery.. Like the no effing dancing rule (thats ******* hilarious in itself) But its the fact bettman chose THIS as the reason to suspend is what is so bad. I can see if he said, "yeah the nhl has a way of reusing the same *insert c word here* that i have been bangin'" then i can see for some repremanding... but "sloppy seconds" thats just laughable all around Share this post Link to post Share on other sites