Sick of it...

[Greatness=PavelDatsyuk 65]

I usually stay quiet, posting stuff that doesn't really matter, but after reading some of the most recent discussion, I am regretting my decision to join these boards in the first place. I understand that the Wings haven't been playing as they were last April, but this is December, last time i checked, April is still four months away. The Wings are still winning with sub-par efforts, and at this time, it doesn't bother me on bit. If they are playing this way at the end of February, then I will start to worry, but until then, they're winning, so who cares. I am not trying to say the Wings are playing how they should be, but I think when the time comes, they will come to play. The panic I have seen on these boards is a little extreme, but isn't entirely wrong, its just a little to soon. In a month or two, then fine, but calm down until then. Babcock and Ken know what they're doing, and will make any changes they think is necessary. I remember the last trade deadline, and after we only got Stuart, some people didn't think we would get to the finals, and then we won the cup, so if you still think Babcock and Holland don't know what they're doing, and you think can do a better job than them, please go tell them what you think they should do, instead of complaining about to people who can't do anything about it.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I'm sick of posts like this where people complain about those who complain.

Without panic, these threads wouldn't be as fun as they are.

Complaining is one of the only true rights that we have as people. It's a way to fight the man, so I say complain away all you want folks.

Edited December 9, 2008 by GMRwings1983

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

and you started a whole thread to complain about complainers? hmmmm

[lets go pavel 2]

I'm sick of posts like this where people complain about those who complain.

Without panic, these threads wouldn't be as fun as they are.

Oh yeah? Well I'm sick of posts like this where people complain about people complaining about people who complain.

(And for the record, I'm sick of my own post too.)

[Ozzie30 170]

I understand how you feel. You love the Wings and it pains you to hear negative comments about the organization. However, this is a discussion board. Everyone comes away with different thoughts and feelings every game and this is a place to laud or criticize their efforts and decisions. No disrespect intended, but if you like the forum but can't take the negative with the positive, stick to the water cooler until February.

[IceMunkee 15]

I usually stay quiet, posting stuff that doesn't really matter, but after reading some of the most recent discussion, I am regretting my decision to join these boards in the first place. I understand that the Wings haven't been playing as they were last April, but this is December, last time i checked, April is still four months away. The Wings are still winning with sub-par efforts, and at this time, it doesn't bother me on bit. If they are playing this way at the end of February, then I will start to worry, but until then, they're winning, so who cares. I am not trying to say the Wings are playing how they should be, but I think when the time comes, they will come to play. The panic I have seen on these boards is a little extreme, but isn't entirely wrong, its just a little to soon. In a month or two, then fine, but calm down until then. Babcock and Ken know what they're doing, and will make any changes they think is necessary. I remember the last trade deadline, and after we only got Stuart, some people didn't think we would get to the finals, and then we won the cup, so if you still think Babcock and Holland don't know what they're doing, and you think can do a better job than them, please go tell them what you think they should do, instead of complaining about to people who can't do anything about it.

I think your regret of joining is well earned if you truly think this will happen. Honestly you can be sick of everything but it still does not change the fact that this is a public forum and fans can talk about what they will. Do i tire of the negativity sometimes sure, that is when I don't post in that thread. I find it strange that you created a post being completely negative about the fact that your sick of the negativity.

Also there are slap-happy fans that never see the bad side and there are realistic and educated fans that see the bad and think of realistic ways to change them and then the completely doom and gloom, the sky is falling fan. One fact remains they are all fans.

[Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3]

Oh yeah? Well I'm sick of posts like this where people complain about people complaining about people who complain.

(And for the record, I'm sick of my own post too.)

Well played sir.

[up2here 41]

I agree with most of what youre saying and ,as Ive said on here before ,Wings fans are the biggest bunch of panickers in the NHL. Even with that being said the whole point of discussion boards is just that,to discuss and air feelings about the team. There are a lot of good fans on here and there are a lot of Band Wagon jumpers as well but we are all fans one way or another. So if youre going to stick around cut us some slack,if not well I hope were both still celebrating in June anyway.

Edited December 9, 2008 by UP2HERE

[Guest Shoreline]

I'm not quite sure that a complacent, ho-hum fanbase that assumes the team will win the Cup every year is quite helpful to kicking a team in the ass when they aren't up to par.

I was on your side early on on the season, like Game 5, or Game 10, when people were already throwing the Wings under the bus and gave the cup to someone else, but this has continued up to Game 25. At some point this squandering of opportunities can and will bite a team in the ass. While the Wings aren't out of the playoffs, being on the top, opponents will certainly get a lot of motivation knowing you aren't at your best. It's difficult enough to repeat, and the Wings aren't looking at good odds -- they don't need to make it harder for themselves by making the fundamentals-related mistakes they've made thusfar in the season.

People just focus on the Wings record like it means they are doing just as fine as last year when it's an obvious lie. You can get an awesome record beating up on crappy teams, but crappy teams tend not to make it to the playoffs. If you're losing against good teams, that's essentially foreshadowing for how it's going to be in the postseason. It means the Wings need to get off their ass and start playing to their potential, especially on defense.

[maltbymaniac 13]

complaining is my second favorite thing to do behind watching red wings hockey.

[rage 24]

I'm sick of people bashing this site.

It's mostly people that just signed up making the stupid threads and posts. And then it's the people that just signed up bitching about those threads and posts. Go figure!

[thedatsyukian 7]

Complaining is more interesting than optimism.

[egroen 384]

It would be an awfully boring message board if it was full of happy fans patting each other on the back and extolling the virtues of the organization (though deservedly so, there is plenty of that).

In all honesty, the complaining on this site is probably at an all-time low (I was a lurker for years before ever registering). You don't see too many posts nowadays calling for the coach and Holland to be fired any more... and they were quite common for years.

And if you think Wings fans are bad, check out forums of other teams... I think it is much worse. Give the Wings a few years of early-round playoff exits again and you'll think back to this as the golden age of undieing fun support.

[LeftWinger 5,152]

...no panic, just concern. Last year we had February, lets hope that last years February is this years October, November and so far December! Face it, they aren't playing too much worse than last year. I saw a stat the other day stating that they are giving up just about the same shots on goal this season as last, but guess what? Goaltending not as hot as it was last season. I am a big Osgood supporter, but he is just not playing as good as last season, maybe last year was a Cinderella year for him, whatever the case, you cannot expect to win with a goaltender giving up nearly 4 goals a game (unless you score 5, which the Wings have had to do to get to where they are.) Conklin is just another Osgood. I am not wishing Dom was back, but he had a hell-u-va regular season last year as well...

...that is the bottom line,team playing well, goaltending suffering. Can't afford to trade for a goalie, so we are stuck with Osgood/Conklin for the entire year, but if they falter in the playoffs, look for a trade over the summer, possibly Tomas Vokoun (sp)...

Edited December 9, 2008 by LeftWinger

[up2here 41]

It would be an awfully boring message board if it was full of happy fans patting each other on the back and extolling the virtues of the organization (though deservedly so, there is plenty of that).

In all honesty, the complaining on this site is probably at an all-time low (I was a lurker for years before ever registering). You don't see too many posts nowadays calling for the coach and Holland to be fired any more... and they were quite common for years.

And if you think Wings fans are bad, check out forums of other teams... I think it is much worse. Give the Wings a few years of early-round playoff exits again and you'll think back to this as the golden age of undieing fun support.

Ah I miss the "Holland sucks and should be fired!" threads. Maybe someone could make one and we can just keep bumping it to the top.

[stormboy 47]

Oh yeah? Well I'm sick of posts like this where people complain about people complaining about people who complain.

(And for the record, I'm sick of my own post too.)

i feel basically the same way, except that i grow weary of posts where people whine about individuals bitching about fans who grumble. and, after proof reading this post, i'm already sick of the fact that i wrote it, and wish to bemoan my own lamentings of those who choose to snivel about other who gripe about the folks who criticize.

now i have a headache.

[drwscc 212]

EDIT: Removed all complaining about complainers, who complain in threads started by complainers about complainers.

Edited December 9, 2008 by drwscc

[Greatness=PavelDatsyuk 65]

I believe what i posted came across the wrong way, I don't hate negativity, I just think its misplaced as of right now. There have been times when I have thought the Wings needed a complete overhaul, but that is mostly after a loss. I guess i just don't understand why people are complaining after a win. I think they didn't play there best against Chicago, but they still won, so it wasn't that bad. I realize I made it sound like I hate all the complaining going on, but that wasn't what I was trying to do, all I was trying to say was that I believe this complaining is a little preemptive. In a month or two, if the Wings are still playing like this, I'll probably be complaining too. I may have been a little extreme in saying that I regretted joining the boards, and I fully agree people can and should complain, but I think there are times were it is out of place, like after the Wings win. A little complaining is fine, they didn't exactly play a full 60 minutes, but to go and say that we need a new goaltender, is, in my opinion, going to far. Did Conklin have a bad first period and a half, yes, but is he the backup, yes. I think Babcock would have pulled him after the first period, but he was pulled from the last game he started, so pulling him again, in my opinion, would have ruined his confidence, but by leaving him in and battling back, I think he will play much better from now on. I think my Original Post was taken out of context, and part of that is my fault, I should have been clearer about what I meant, and for this, I apologize.

[utahfalconer 0]

I'll be the first to complain about the person who complained about the person who complained about the people who were complaining..

this is an official complaint.

in other news..

Lighten up! its only December, the real complaining is yet to come!

Edited December 9, 2008 by utahfalconer

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

I usually stay quiet, posting stuff that doesn't really matter, but after reading some of the most recent discussion, I am regretting my decision to join these boards in the first place. I understand that the Wings haven't been playing as they were last April, but this is December, last time i checked, April is still four months away. The Wings are still winning with sub-par efforts, and at this time, it doesn't bother me on bit. If they are playing this way at the end of February, then I will start to worry, but until then, they're winning, so who cares. I am not trying to say the Wings are playing how they should be, but I think when the time comes, they will come to play. The panic I have seen on these boards is a little extreme, but isn't entirely wrong, its just a little to soon. In a month or two, then fine, but calm down until then. Babcock and Ken know what they're doing, and will make any changes they think is necessary. I remember the last trade deadline, and after we only got Stuart, some people didn't think we would get to the finals, and then we won the cup, so if you still think Babcock and Holland don't know what they're doing, and you think can do a better job than them, please go tell them what you think they should do, instead of complaining about to people who can't do anything about it.

The wonderful thing about the internet, is that even the laziest fattest uncapable and unwilling person can still likely click a mouse to change the website. It's a little like changing a channel on the TV but more complicated. Looking at this wall of text you posted, your certainly capable of one day learning this skill.

[pjgj13 30]

FREE the NHL FROM COMMIES LIKE BETTMAN!

Fixed....

I would now like to file a formal complaint about the complainers who complain about everything there is to complain about. I don't want to see anymore posts about complaining, or I will complain to the complaint department about your complaining.

[T.Low 1,011]

I hope you regret your decision to regret your decision to join LGW so you could complain about people that complain about people, only to prompt more people to complain about people who complain about peple who complain.

As far as your post goes, I can't complain because I have no complaint to complain.

If there were an Evil Dr. Suese, he would have sponsored this thread. But I'm not complaining, I'm just saying...

[Echolalia 2,961]

guys we need to save avery were his only hope

[uk_redwing 495]

Definitions of complain on the Web:

* express complaints, discontent, displeasure, or unhappiness; "My mother complains all day"; "She has a lot to kick about"

* make a formal accusation; bring a formal charge; "The plaintiff's lawyer complained that he defendant had physically abused his client"

wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* In general use, a complaint is an expression of displeasure, such as poor service at a store, or from a local government, etc. ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complain

* To express feelings of pain, dissatisfaction, or resentment; To make a formal accusation or bring a formal charge

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/complain

* is a cover of a song from the 1992 Tim Robbins film Bob Roberts, in which a corrupt right-wing folk singer runs a crooked campaign for senate. ...

www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/The-Vandals-Play-Really-Bad-Original-Country-Tunes

I hope that clears everything up.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Oh yeah? Well I'm sick of posts like this where people complain about people complaining about people who complain.

(And for the record, I'm sick of my own post too.)

This kinda reminds me of George Carlin's 7 dirty words, specifically the word f**k in regards to people arguing/complaining about complaining. I remember one of his skits by heart with this word...

"F you!

F you!

F you you F!

F you you F!

Who the F do you think you are, some kind of a F'head?!

F you!

Don't F with me or you'll get F'ed you F!

Don't F with me or you'll get F'ed you F!

You F over me and I'll F over you!

I'm the F'er!

Don't F with the F'er!

God! It sounds like combat man!"'

Anyways, in all seriousness now and more relevant to the thread. While I definitely can't speak for a majority of the members on here, I definitely know I am not 100% alone in sharing some of the same frustrations that the original poster vented out, to a lesser degree somewhat for me at least.

And I give the original poster a lot of credit for creating a thread like this and expressing his frustration that some other people probably share but probably were never going to create a thread on. That takes guts.

What I'm going to say here probably will change little around here, yes this is a place for a discussion and debate yadda yadda yadda, but it gets to be too much in here sometimes, in terms of what the original poster vented, too many ridiculous posts at times in terms of dismantling a team, whining like a little baby about goalies or enforcers, whipping boys when they are playing well, etc. Some people just take it off the deep end. It is frustrating and difficult to read these things sometimes. Conversely, I find almost equally annoying the condescending never-be-critical crowed when posts don't even come close to suggesting freaking out or panicing. I hate both extremes. I also hate the know-it-all crowd, but that's a discussion for another place/time, if ever.

Some say complaining or panicing and overreacting is fun in here. I don't see much fun in that. Panicing and excessively complaining eventually leads to heartburn and makes you die younger (and the mood in the thread just goes way down south now ).

Both sides of the extreme, the nutjob whiners and spoiled brats in whatever topic it may be as well as the 500% positivity police who grill you for being slightly critical need to tone it down a few notches sometimes. I hope that some people know who they are regarding these extremes and that they fit into them very well.

I dunno, this is just the opinion of one doofus though, and I'm a pretty big doofus.