Tr!PoD#19 524 Report post Posted September 25, 2008 Gross. I hope this is a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted September 25, 2008 Regarding the major incidents that Lemieux and Bertuzzi had, I'm over them. That doesn't mean what they did was right or acceptable, not even close. Their incidents were inexcusable, and while you never forget something that happens like what Lemieux did to Draper or Bertuzzi did to Moore, but as has been mentioned on here in this thread already, there has to be a point, at least for me, to let bygones be bygones and when you are at ease with it and aren't bitter or angry. I know there are just assumed people for other teams that are "Public Enemy #1" to a lot of Red Wings fans, or fans of any team for that matter, but for me when it comes down to it, if public enemy #1 came to play for the Red Wings or one of my other favorite teams, I'd be welcoming of public enemy #1 (with some personal reservations of course) if people within the sports organization think he can help out the team. But in the end it is about the team, not the player's name on the back of the jersey. I understand hating players through thick and thin or holding grudges towards other teams as a sports fan, but that's just something I rarely take part in. If Lemieux wants to try to make a comeback, more power to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LivingtheDream Report post Posted September 25, 2008 (edited) ...everyone STILL hate Lemieux? Jesus H. Christ, he's already apologized to Draper. By gones are by-gones. When did he apologize? Show us? You can't. He never apologized. Read the book "Blood Feud" written by a Denver sports reporter. He makes it quite clear he never apologized. Draper makes it quite clear he never apologized. The end of the book closes with Turtle quotes and he still wouldn't apologize. The whole Avs-Wings rivalry was born because he was too classless to apologize. No "by gones" for me. He has earned this hatred and it is now far too late to apologize, but he never will. He is that much of an ass. Edited September 25, 2008 by LivingtheDream Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lovin Jiri Fischer 147 Report post Posted September 25, 2008 I really hope he makes it back so Mac can pound him again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted September 25, 2008 From Blood Feud: "What probably enraged the Red Wings most, though, were comments by Lemieux that he 'made Draper famous' with the incident, and that 'nobody would ever have heard about him' otherwise." Now I know he and Mac called it Pax, but unless he and Draper made up after this book was printed, it is as Living the Dream said. As far as this relates to his comeback, he can do as he pleases, and I won't care. I'll root against him, for sure, but that's because he won't be with the Wings. We are far too stacked and have too much in the talent pool to even consider him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted September 25, 2008 I would hate to see some horrible injury happen to him while he's on his comeback trail. Hopefully he won't break his neck or anything like that. Yeah. Me too. It would be really bad if some Wing accidently ran into him and gave him a booboo. Or if a foot with a skate on it happened to trip him up and he went flying. Or He got a wayward elbow in his face. Or he accidently got a puck in his privates. Or he got got slammed into the boards. And just think. All that conditioning going to waste.... :flush: What I would LOVE to see him do is re-discover what conscience he has remaining and finaly, FINALLY publically apologize to Draper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted September 25, 2008 I really hope he makes it back so Mac can pound him again. ...the only thing McCarty can pound anymore is himself! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LivingtheDream Report post Posted September 25, 2008 From Blood Feud: "What probably enraged the Red Wings most, though, were comments by Lemieux that he 'made Draper famous' with the incident, and that 'nobody would ever have heard about him' otherwise." Now I know he and Mac called it Pax, but unless he and Draper made up after this book was printed, it is as Living the Dream said. As far as this relates to his comeback, he can do as he pleases, and I won't care. I'll root against him, for sure, but that's because he won't be with the Wings. We are far too stacked and have too much in the talent pool to even consider him. You rock 55fan! Amen to it all. Turtle's cheap shot on Draper was infamous and always will be. He could have avoided everything that followed with a simple apology that Draper was injured so badly. Instead, his low life pride drove him to make the above snotty comments and then some. No remorse is bad enough, but sarcasm and baiting are taking things too far. Even though he paid for it with the humiliating beating by DMac, he has done nothing to merit respect from Wings fans. IMO, anyone who can let it go is missing something as a fan. He can rot in hell and if he gets nailed and injured some day, he had it coming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted September 26, 2008 Good, another chance for a Wing to end his pathetic career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) From Blood Feud: "What probably enraged the Red Wings most, though, were comments by Lemieux that he 'made Draper famous' with the incident, and that 'nobody would ever have heard about him' otherwise." Now I know he and Mac called it Pax, but unless he and Draper made up after this book was printed, it is as Living the Dream said. As far as this relates to his comeback, he can do as he pleases, and I won't care. I'll root against him, for sure, but that's because he won't be with the Wings. We are far too stacked and have too much in the talent pool to even consider him. ...it is well known that Claude phoned Draper and attempted to apologize and Draper refused to hear it. That is what set Claude off to say these snide remarks, just because Draper didn't accept it, doesn't mean he didn't apologize for the incident... ...I hope McCarty gets his career handed to him from an up and coming youngster in the AHL, then maybe everyone on this forum can stop the dillusions that McCarty is actually good. He stinks, he always has and always will! His career is defined by one goal, one goal that really wasn't as significant as it is perceived to be... ...at this point in their careers, Claude wouldn't have to turtle, he'd probably kick McCarty's ass! He nearly did back in the day when they went toe to toe on the face-off. He didn't turtle and the fight was a draw. Hang em up McCarty, you suck... ...hey Draper... Edited September 26, 2008 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockeysattva 8 Report post Posted September 26, 2008 ...it is well known that Claude phoned Draper and attempted to apologize and Draper refused to hear it. That is what set Claude off to say these snide remarks, just because Draper didn't accept it, doesn't mean he didn't apologize for the incident... ...I hope McCarty gets his career handed to him from an up and coming youngster in the AHL, then maybe everyone on this forum can stop the dillusions that McCarty is actually good. He stinks, he always has and always will! His career is defined by one goal, one goal that really wasn't as significant as it is perceived to be... ...at this point in their careers, Claude wouldn't have to turtle, he'd probably kick McCarty's ass! He nearly did back in the day when they went toe to toe on the face-off. He didn't turtle and the fight was a draw. Hang em up McCarty, you suck... ...hey Draper... If by well known you mean some people said, then ok... but, when Lemiux was questioned about these reports he said, "I never tried calling Draper." Really you call yourself a Wings fan and hope Mac's career is ended in the minors? I think you may find another website better suited to you. If his career is defined by one goal how come I can think of half a dozen goals that could be the one you are referring to? His career is probably best embodied by his work off of the ice TBH. Darren was always a fan favorite, and did many great things for the community. I would say on ice he is known for his hard work. He may have only scored one hat-trick (or at least only one I can remember) and he may not have ever been considered a true heavy weight, but he was not a player that sucked. I'll wish CL luck in getting back to the NHL but I don't think he'll be able to make it in the new game. Its just not the kind of hockey he played during his career anymore, and I don't think there will be much room for him anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soultrain 43 Report post Posted September 26, 2008 i will always HATE claude. he is a piece of $#!T in every sense. actually i hate the avalanche organization as a whole. i will also say that patrick roy is a giant heap, and the biggest disgrace in hockey. yes. when the habs retired his number i sh!t. say what you want about joe sakic. he was and still is the leader of a huge bunch of jerk-offs. so i put him right in there too. peter...well i wish igor a taken a baseball swing to his teeth. i hope claude comes back and plays for an nhl team. then i hope we pound him so hard he never would come back again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted September 26, 2008 I like and respect Sakic. That said, I have never heard that Turtle apologized to Draper. If he did, or tried to, I am more than willing to admit that I'm wrong, but I do need it proven to me as everything else I've heard is to the contrary. Not trying to be nasty, just asking for something to give me a good reason to change my mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) ...it is well known that Claude phoned Draper and attempted to apologize and Draper refused to hear it. That is what set Claude off to say these snide remarks, just because Draper didn't accept it, doesn't mean he didn't apologize for the incident... I hope that you are right about this, at least from Lemieux's end. Where/when did you read or hear about this? Got a source? ...I hope McCarty gets his career handed to him from an up and coming youngster in the AHL, then maybe everyone on this forum can stop the dillusions that McCarty is actually good. He stinks, he always has and always will! His career is defined by one goal, one goal that really wasn't as significant as it is perceived to be... Incorrect. Incorrect by a long, LONG shot. Nobody is portraying him out to be a demi-god, but nobody is ever going to believe you in your melodramatic portrayal of him being pitiful. And that "goal" you speak of, was the game-winning goal of the final game of a Stanley Cup Final. It is pretty significant no matter how much you want to deny it because of whatever reasons you have disliking McCarty. What were you saying about him in the playoff game he scored a hat trick against the Avs in 2002. How about a few games later where he helped the Wings seal the deal against the Avs to go to the SCF that year? ...at this point in their careers, Claude wouldn't have to turtle, he'd probably kick McCarty's ass! He nearly did back in the day when they went toe to toe on the face-off. He didn't turtle and the fight was a draw. Hang em up McCarty, you suck... ...hey Draper... Why do you have so much beef with McCarty anyway? Bad experience with him in the past? If you don't like the guy (or anybody for that matter), that's fine, but don't let that make you have such a ridiculous bias to dismiss that he was/has been a useful player during his career given the roles he normally played. And again, while what Lemieux did to Draper was inexcusable and I'll never forget it, I've "moved on" or put the anger/resentment of it behind me. If Lemieux makes a comeback, great, more power to him and it'd be a cool story. And I would really like to believe you that Lemieux apologized. I hope that is the case. Where is the source/documentation other than coming from your statement, just another average Joe fan like myself and pretty much everybody else in here who have no ties to anybody close to the sport professionally? He has no reason to apologize for the hard-nosed/big hit/clutch scoring game that he brought about, but when you dent somebody's face like he did to Draper, you apologize when a hit like that goes too far. Edited September 26, 2008 by SouthernWingsFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LivingtheDream Report post Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) He has no source, because he is making crap up. "It is well known..." is worthless. Show me a quote, an article or something. We have this thing called an internet where you can search for stuff. Go ahead, but you won't find it. Not that it is the only source, but the book, Blood Feud, written by a Colorado sports reporter, puts forth the premise that the entire rivalry is based on him NOT apologizing. It ends (read the last few pages if you are too lazy to read the whole thing) with quotes from both Draper and Claude on their NOT being an apology... Wake up. Why waste time explaining to an idiot that his made up stupid ideas are made up and stupid? Well, without it this forum would be pretty empty I guess. Edited September 26, 2008 by LivingtheDream Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted September 26, 2008 How is his physique nowdays? As good as chelios perhaps? or worse? Was his work ethic and physique any good back in the days? Just curios... you gotta be pretty excellent on those parts if you gonna play in the NHL at 43years of age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland_wings_Fan 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2008 First post long time lurker!!! Former Av Lemieus trying comeback Comments on this? I personally don't like the guy and hope he doesn't make it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted September 28, 2008 http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=53247 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland_wings_Fan 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2008 http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=53247 Sorry for the duplicate post, Mods please delete if need be. I will search better for the next one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted September 28, 2008 #%&@ lurkers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland_wings_Fan 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2008 #%&@ you, what makes you so much better than anyone else !!! Classy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted September 28, 2008 I like cake. And I don't like Turtle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted September 28, 2008 #%&@ lurkers. Give the guy a break. Experience LGW posters make the same mistake all the time. Gees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
#19=Legend 29 Report post Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) i was once a lurker. give him a break. welcome to the boards by the way. Edited September 28, 2008 by #19=Legend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted September 28, 2008 people on here make federal cases about duplicate topics/posts. who cares! welcome to the boards! you can always do a search of whats been posted as a topic prior to starting a new topic. news travels fast on here! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites