SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/hock...g.ap/index.html Don't shoot the messenger to those who think that Bettman is just 100% completely incompetent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellowknife Redwing 57 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 I, for one, am glad to hear him come out and declare that in the face of everything that's gone on lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lovin Jiri Fischer 147 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Wow since when does he know anything about hockey? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/hock...g.ap/index.html Don't shoot the messenger to those who think that Bettman is just 100% completely incompetent. Well SWF, I guess I can knock him down to 95% in my book. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outsider 42 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/hock...g.ap/index.html Don't shoot the messenger to those who think that Bettman is just 100% completely incompetent. The little crap weasel is incompetent, but he's not completely stupid. Even a troglodyte like Bettman has some sense of self preservation. He's gonna keep pushing, and sooner or later.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sound-Chaser 3 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 f*** him and anything he says. Wait... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 well if he believes its part of the game.... i give him 2months to take it away! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 I...but he...it's... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevvie 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Wow since when does he know anything about hockey? I could have sworn he's been watching some kind of Tennis League Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Yes...a part of the game that our Red Wings simply refuse to play, for reasons that I really don't get. Fighting is fun. Who doesn't like fighting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chunkylover 26 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Yes...a part of the game that our Red Wings simply refuse to play, for reasons that I really don't get. Fighting is fun. Who doesn't like fighting? Nick Lidstrom? Even Homer wishes he could fight but he can't. it is fun to watch but it isn't easy. That George Laraque blog kind of evidenced that truth. Steve Yzerman said on one of those Canadian programs that the Wings would love to have someone like Probert playing for them but they don't exist anymore: big guys who can score and fight. Think of someone like Clowe, he's big, can score, and when heavily provoked will actually fight, but that's not what his team wants him to do. They need him on the ice not in the box for five minutes. The skill level of the game has made the fighter obsolete. Start performing frontal lobotomies on guys like Thornton and Datsyuk then maybe fighters will make it back on our roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Nick Lidstrom? Even Homer wishes he could fight but he can't. it is fun to watch but it isn't easy. That George Laraque blog kind of evidenced that truth. Steve Yzerman said on one of those Canadian programs that the Wings would love to have someone like Probert playing for them but they don't exist anymore: big guys who can score and fight. Think of someone like Clowe, he's big, can score, and when heavily provoked will actually fight, but that's not what his team wants him to do. They need him on the ice not in the box for five minutes. The skill level of the game has made the fighter obsolete. Start performing frontal lobotomies on guys like Thornton and Datsyuk then maybe fighters will make it back on our roster. Homere might find himself to be a more succesful scrapper if he stripped off the extra gear he wears. Nobody on the Wings has any business fighting Georges Laraque - but we have plenty of guys who are big enough and strong enough to throw with TooToo, Lapperierre, Ott et al - they just choose not to. I don't get why. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Unfortunately, Bettman's definition of hockey fighting is wrestling matches and bullrushing people right off the faceoff without dropping the gloves first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Unfortunately, Bettman's definition of hockey fighting is wrestling matches and bullrushing people right off the faceoff without dropping the gloves first. Source? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Isn't it funny how people tear Bettman apart every chance they get and then still knock him when he publicly states something we all agree with? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) Source? Any current red wings game that a fight breaks out in.... Its more like hugging it out until someone passes out. You want to see real fighting... look at the start of the fight where that AHL guy has a seizure (i am not saying that is good at all) but the way they started the fight was very commendable and the battle that followed was top notch. Isn't it funny how people tear Bettman apart every chance they get and then still knock him when he publicly states something we all agree with? Its because you cant take what he says word for word... he is up to something and i am sure we will soon find out. Edited January 27, 2009 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Any current red wings game that a fight breaks out in.... Its more like hugging it out until someone passes out. You want to see real fighting... look at the start of the fight where that AHL guy has a seizure (i am not saying that is good at all) but the way they started the fight was very commendable and the battle that followed was top notch. Its because you cant take what he says word for word... he is up to something and i am sure we will soon find out. Please. That's just personal bias speaking. Homere might find himself to be a more succesful scrapper if he stripped off the extra gear he wears. Nobody on the Wings has any business fighting Georges Laraque - but we have plenty of guys who are big enough and strong enough to throw with TooToo, Lapperierre, Ott et al - they just choose not to. I don't get why. Because the Wings are generally on the winning side of the scoreboard. Why good would that do them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Nick Lidstrom? Even Homer wishes he could fight but he can't. it is fun to watch but it isn't easy. That George Laraque blog kind of evidenced that truth. Steve Yzerman said on one of those Canadian programs that the Wings would love to have someone like Probert playing for them but they don't exist anymore: big guys who can score and fight. Think of someone like Clowe, he's big, can score, and when heavily provoked will actually fight, but that's not what his team wants him to do. They need him on the ice not in the box for five minutes. The skill level of the game has made the fighter obsolete. Start performing frontal lobotomies on guys like Thornton and Datsyuk then maybe fighters will make it back on our roster. Then why does every team have one? Is the entire league stupid? esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Please. That's just personal bias speaking. Well bias or not.. thats why people do it... if there wasn't biasness with it then everything would be peachy keen with betty now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Cub 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) He must be getting desperate for friends after the move a Canadian franchise to Puerto Rico idea blew up. Edited January 27, 2009 by The_Cub Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted January 27, 2009 are generally on the winning side of the scoreboard. Why good would that do them? Even a very good team like the Wings ought to be interested in getting still better. Certainly, team morale and general sense of family is increased when you have a group of guys who are willing to risk personal pain to stick up for eachother. Yes, the Wings are good. That doesn't mean they ought not try to be better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Source? The twisted sense of humor within my wicked little brain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chunkylover 26 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Then why does every team have one? Is the entire league stupid? esteef Yes? Actually the Wings have two, but since an injured McCarty has more of an upside than Downey, we dress Kopecky instead because he's younger and at this point apparently has more potential than either. Consider what today's "fighters" bring to their teams. Lucic and Ott are valuable because they can score not because they can fight. If they were just fighters they'd have less ice time to make an impact. Brashear and Laperriere are on- and off-ice leaders not because they can fight but because they have experience. It isn't the fighting alone which makes them valuable it's that they are serviceable in more than that one aspect of the game. I wish we had someone like Drake on the team this year, but I haven't forgotten how he was lampooned for his early season fights last season. He was valuable not for his fighting alone but for his veteran leadership and determination. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Well bias or not.. thats why people do it... if there wasn't biasness with it then everything would be peachy keen with betty now. TBH, having a personal bias against anyone gives you a distorted view of what they say or the actions they take. Things aren't always peachy keen, but personal bias keeps people from having well-rounded opinions. I don't like a fair amount of what Bettman does either, but I also don't let those things he advocates that I don't agree with distort how I feel when he makes a good decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted January 27, 2009 Even a very good team like the Wings ought to be interested in getting still better. Certainly, team morale and general sense of family is increased when you have a group of guys who are willing to risk personal pain to stick up for eachother. Yes, the Wings are good. That doesn't mean they ought not try to be better. Fighting at an ill-advised time doesn't make a team better, it makes them stupid. I don't disagree that the Red Wings (or any team in the NHL) should always be trying to get better, and sticking up for each other is something I would always wish the Wings to be displaying. Fighting when the other team is losing doesn't help though, its just gives the opposition the potential for a lift. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites