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Bettman: Fighting part of game

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/hock...g.ap/index.html

Don't shoot the messenger to those who think that Bettman is just 100% completely incompetent. :unsure:

The little crap weasel is incompetent, but he's not completely stupid. Even a troglodyte like Bettman has some sense of self preservation.

He's gonna keep pushing, and sooner or later....

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Yes...a part of the game that our Red Wings simply refuse to play, for reasons that I really don't get. Fighting is fun. Who doesn't like fighting?

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Yes...a part of the game that our Red Wings simply refuse to play, for reasons that I really don't get. Fighting is fun. Who doesn't like fighting?

Nick Lidstrom? Even Homer wishes he could fight but he can't. it is fun to watch but it isn't easy. That George Laraque blog kind of evidenced that truth.

Steve Yzerman said on one of those Canadian programs that the Wings would love to have someone like Probert playing for them but they don't exist anymore: big guys who can score and fight. Think of someone like Clowe, he's big, can score, and when heavily provoked will actually fight, but that's not what his team wants him to do. They need him on the ice not in the box for five minutes.

The skill level of the game has made the fighter obsolete. Start performing frontal lobotomies on guys like Thornton and Datsyuk then maybe fighters will make it back on our roster.

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Nick Lidstrom? Even Homer wishes he could fight but he can't. it is fun to watch but it isn't easy. That George Laraque blog kind of evidenced that truth.

Steve Yzerman said on one of those Canadian programs that the Wings would love to have someone like Probert playing for them but they don't exist anymore: big guys who can score and fight. Think of someone like Clowe, he's big, can score, and when heavily provoked will actually fight, but that's not what his team wants him to do. They need him on the ice not in the box for five minutes.

The skill level of the game has made the fighter obsolete. Start performing frontal lobotomies on guys like Thornton and Datsyuk then maybe fighters will make it back on our roster.

Homere might find himself to be a more succesful scrapper if he stripped off the extra gear he wears.

Nobody on the Wings has any business fighting Georges Laraque - but we have plenty of guys who are big enough and strong enough to throw with TooToo, Lapperierre, Ott et al - they just choose not to. I don't get why.

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Unfortunately, Bettman's definition of hockey fighting is wrestling matches and bullrushing people right off the faceoff without dropping the gloves first. <_<

Source?

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Any current red wings game that a fight breaks out in.... Its more like hugging it out until someone passes out.

You want to see real fighting... look at the start of the fight where that AHL guy has a seizure (i am not saying that is good at all) but the way they started the fight was very commendable and the battle that followed was top notch.

Isn't it funny how people tear Bettman apart every chance they get and then still knock him when he publicly states something we all agree with?

Its because you cant take what he says word for word... he is up to something and i am sure we will soon find out.

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Any current red wings game that a fight breaks out in.... Its more like hugging it out until someone passes out.

You want to see real fighting... look at the start of the fight where that AHL guy has a seizure (i am not saying that is good at all) but the way they started the fight was very commendable and the battle that followed was top notch.

Its because you cant take what he says word for word... he is up to something and i am sure we will soon find out.

Please. That's just personal bias speaking.

Homere might find himself to be a more succesful scrapper if he stripped off the extra gear he wears.

Nobody on the Wings has any business fighting Georges Laraque - but we have plenty of guys who are big enough and strong enough to throw with TooToo, Lapperierre, Ott et al - they just choose not to. I don't get why.

Because the Wings are generally on the winning side of the scoreboard. Why good would that do them?

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Nick Lidstrom? Even Homer wishes he could fight but he can't. it is fun to watch but it isn't easy. That George Laraque blog kind of evidenced that truth.

Steve Yzerman said on one of those Canadian programs that the Wings would love to have someone like Probert playing for them but they don't exist anymore: big guys who can score and fight. Think of someone like Clowe, he's big, can score, and when heavily provoked will actually fight, but that's not what his team wants him to do. They need him on the ice not in the box for five minutes.

The skill level of the game has made the fighter obsolete. Start performing frontal lobotomies on guys like Thornton and Datsyuk then maybe fighters will make it back on our roster.

Then why does every team have one? Is the entire league stupid?

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Please. That's just personal bias speaking.

Well bias or not.. thats why people do it... if there wasn't biasness with it then everything would be peachy keen with betty now.

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are generally on the winning side of the scoreboard. Why good would that do them?

Even a very good team like the Wings ought to be interested in getting still better. Certainly, team morale and general sense of family is increased when you have a group of guys who are willing to risk personal pain to stick up for eachother. Yes, the Wings are good. That doesn't mean they ought not try to be better.

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Then why does every team have one? Is the entire league stupid?

esteef

Yes?

Actually the Wings have two, but since an injured McCarty has more of an upside than Downey, we dress Kopecky instead because he's younger and at this point apparently has more potential than either.

Consider what today's "fighters" bring to their teams. Lucic and Ott are valuable because they can score not because they can fight. If they were just fighters they'd have less ice time to make an impact. Brashear and Laperriere are on- and off-ice leaders not because they can fight but because they have experience.

It isn't the fighting alone which makes them valuable it's that they are serviceable in more than that one aspect of the game.

I wish we had someone like Drake on the team this year, but I haven't forgotten how he was lampooned for his early season fights last season. He was valuable not for his fighting alone but for his veteran leadership and determination.

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Well bias or not.. thats why people do it... if there wasn't biasness with it then everything would be peachy keen with betty now.

TBH, having a personal bias against anyone gives you a distorted view of what they say or the actions they take. Things aren't always peachy keen, but personal bias keeps people from having well-rounded opinions. I don't like a fair amount of what Bettman does either, but I also don't let those things he advocates that I don't agree with distort how I feel when he makes a good decision.

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Even a very good team like the Wings ought to be interested in getting still better. Certainly, team morale and general sense of family is increased when you have a group of guys who are willing to risk personal pain to stick up for eachother. Yes, the Wings are good. That doesn't mean they ought not try to be better.

Fighting at an ill-advised time doesn't make a team better, it makes them stupid.

I don't disagree that the Red Wings (or any team in the NHL) should always be trying to get better, and sticking up for each other is something I would always wish the Wings to be displaying. Fighting when the other team is losing doesn't help though, its just gives the opposition the potential for a lift.

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