Crosby Back In Lineup...TONIGHT!?!

[Esquire 324]

YEAH! ANOTHER CROSBY BASHING THREAD! I swear you can set your watch to this s***. Just like clockwork.

*looks at clock*

Yup! Just in time! Another person that hasn't read any other post but the first one. And since it has Crosby's name in it, assumes the worst.

You're right. Like clockwork.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Why are people so pissed off about the suspension of Lidstrom and Dasyuk, people we're okay to see them rest for the week but now are all pissed because they got suspended for one game. Relax guys everyone in this situation is happy, Lidstrom and Dasyuk just got an extra days to rest. You think Holland and anyone else is not happy. They just talking the things they talking because they have to show that they care to the media but in reality there happy about it.

Don't let anybody fool you with their bulls***. This has everything to do with Sidney Crosby. The OP knows it. He wanted another Crosby *****-fest and he's getting it.

The people around here are pissed because they're refraining from using common sense. One second they are just fine with Lidstrom and Datsyuk missing the entire ASG weekend to heal up from injuries, the next they want heads to roll because both players are being suspended for a game. If, for just 1 second, they'd take a breath. They might acknowledge the fact that perhaps neither player would've played in this game anyway. Maybe they would've acknowledged the fact that rumors/reports are Nick might have worsening elbow problems.

I think it's comical for people to lose their collective s*** over this when they don't even know with even the smallest amount of certainty that either guy would've elected to play the Columbus game in light of their injuries.

And I love how the OP just rails on about how bad Crosby says his injuries were and how he's a ****** for discounting Lids' & Dats' injuries. Well, a little 2 + 2 will tell you that if you're so adamant about defending the notion that Nick and D are really hurt, why the f*** would you be so upset about them missing the last game. After all, they aren't just "resting". Their ******* hurt, aren't they?

Common sense and an ability to not get sidetracked by meaningless bulls*** would've prevented this thread.

No, this was yet another thinly veiled attempt to slug away at Crosby directly and Buttman indirectly as well.

Give it a friggin' rest.

Oh, and by the way, in that interview, I never heard Crosby say how bad he was hurt, I didn't hear a diagnosis of his injury. s***, I didn't even hear what his injury was. I love how people point to him not playing in the ASG and now he plays tonight "oh, he must've been hurt so bad, blah, blah". Sorry folks, didn't know you were ******* doctors. And when was the last game he played prior to tonight? Maybe he's had a few more days off than you think to heal up.

Oh, feck it....I give up.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

*looks at clock*

Yup! Just in time! Another person that hasn't read any other post but the first one. And since it has Crosby's name in it, assumes the worst.

You're right. Like clockwork.

Sorry, I read the whole thread, including every single one of your moronic posts. Thank you very much Dorothy.

[AtomicPunk 296]

Sid the Kid's coach, Mr. Myoggi, clapped his hands together and rubbed them together real hard, and then placed them on Sid's knee and said, "Go out there and play!"

Magically, Sid was healed!!

Edited January 29, 2009 by AtomicPunk

[Esquire 324]

Don't let anybody fool you with their bulls***. This has everything to do with Sidney Crosby. The OP knows it. He wanted another Crosby *****-fest and he's getting it.

The people around here are pissed because they're refraining from using common sense. One second they are just fine with Lidstrom and Datsyuk missing the entire ASG weekend to heal up from injuries, the next they want heads to roll because both players are being suspended for a game. If, for just 1 second, they'd take a breath. They might acknowledge the fact that perhaps neither player would've played in this game anyway. Maybe they would've acknowledged the fact that rumors/reports are Nick might have worsening elbow problems.

I think it's comical for people to lose their collective s*** over this when they don't even know with even the smallest amount of certainty that either guy would've elected to play the Columbus game in light of their injuries.

And I love how the OP just rails on about how bad Crosby says his injuries were and how he's a ****** for discounting Lids' & Dats' injuries. Well, a little 2 + 2 will tell you that if you're so adamant about defending the notion that Nick and D are really hurt, why the f*** would you be so upset about them missing the last game. After all, they aren't just "resting". Their ******* hurt, aren't they?

Common sense and an ability to not get sidetracked by meaningless bulls*** would've prevented this thread.

No, this was yet another thinly veiled attempt to slug away at Crosby directly and Buttman indirectly as well.

Give it a friggin' rest.

Oh, and by the way, in that interview, I never heard Crosby say how bad he was hurt, I didn't hear a diagnosis of his injury. s***, I didn't even hear what his injury was. I love how people point to him not playing in the ASG and now he plays tonight "oh, he must've been hurt so bad, blah, blah". Sorry folks, didn't know you were ******* doctors. And when was the last game he played prior to tonight? Maybe he's had a few more days off than you think to heal up.

Oh, feck it....I give up.

(in regards to the bold type)

1) What gave it away? The title of the post? I didn't want another "Crosby *****-fest", I wanted an answer to the question, "why he felt the need to play down other players injuries". Don't assume to ever know what I'm thinking. I've never met you, I've never talked to you before this. It makes you look ridiculous to assume these things.

2) I never mentioned anything about being upset about the suspensions. Lids sat because he was injured and Dats left the Yotes game. Common knowledge. They got suspended for missing the weekend. Case closed. I've moved on from this and so should you.

3) Once again, I know their injured. I know they were very likely to miss the game since the both said they were injured.

4) Thanks again for assuming something and that I was taking a shot at Bettman "indirectly". Where have I mentioned his name?

Thank you for your time in posting all that, calling me names, and contributing nothing to this thread.

[Guest Shoreline]

Nowhere have I read that everyone knew he was 100% intended to play in the first game back. If there's an article published before the ASG weekend that says he was expected to play in the first game back, please provide a link and my question will be answered and I'll have what I'm looking for. That's all.

Is there some special reason he would have needed to 100% intend to play? What is the relevance of that?

[Esquire 324]

Is there some special reason he would have needed to 100% intend to play? What is the relevance of that?

Yes there is a "special reason" regarding his intentions to play.

If he knew he was intending to play soon, why feel the need to make the statement?

3 days between making that statement and coming back to play doesn't exactly help to confirm the apparent seriousness of his injury compared to other players.

As Gordie put it, I'm not a "******* doctor" but I don't need a medical degree to know that anyone that springs back from an injury serious enough to sit out playing over the weekend, in 3 days, is either an abnormally fast healer or has simply misinformed the media or been misinformed themselves. Also, I know he's been out a while before the ASG which means he's had more time to rest his injury. So, would it be fair to say that the longer a player is out (with an injury not requiring surgery/non serious injury) that his return is more likely than a player who has just recently gone off the roster?

So to be perfectly clear again, it's not his suspension OR his return that I'm contesting. It's the motivation behind his comments.

If nobody can answer this, then that's fine. I'll leave it as one of life's little mysteries. I didn't come here to sling mud and be accused of being a "Crosby hater".

[Inultus 12]

For those that are bitching about Crosby's comments, here is exactly what he said:

"There's always different scenarios. I think in the case of some guys it's due to rest. You know, in my case it was an injury."

Now where did he single out Lidstrom and Datsyuk and say that they weren't really injured?

Please, you people are making s*** up out of thin air.

[HockeytownRN 0]

For those that are bitching about Crosby's comments, here is exactly what he said:

"There's always different scenarios. I think in the case of some guys it's due to rest. You know, in my case it was an injury."

Now where did he single out Lidstrom and Datsyuk and say that they weren't really injured?

Please, you people are making s*** up out of thin air.

Gee I guess I "insinuated" that he was talking about Lids and Dats, b/c they were the only other two people who were sitting out with injuries. My bad.

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

Crosby is back in the lineup tonight. Okay? Not sure why this deserves special news. He's in the lineup tonight, good for him. I'm going to fix myself a glass of wine and move onto the next story before I get falsely accused of being either a Crosby-defender or Crosby-hater.

I am going on the record as a Crosby "pretermitter", according to the first definition. (man, i haven't used a thesaurus in a loooong time. how fun.)

pre·ter·mit (prtr-mt)

tr.v. pre·ter·mit·ted, pre·ter·mit·ting, pre·ter·mits

1. To disregard intentionally or allow to pass unnoticed or unmentioned.

2. To fail to do or include; omit.

3. To interrupt or terminate.

I don't care about Sid one way or the other unless the Wings see him in the playoffs. I don't care if he's a poster boy, whining little *****, Bettman's special friend, or whatever some folks choose to focus on here. He just doesn't matter much to me. Now the ranting of posters here on both sides flaming each other up and down....that's comedy.

[b.shanafan14 733]

The point is that Crosby was the one that was injured for real and others were just ASG draft dodging, straight from Sid's mouth himself. The NHLPA doesn't acknowledge any supposed agreement between the two parties on the issue, so no one should have been suspended. But since two players were suspended, all of them should have been, no ifs ands or buts. If it was supposedly so iron-clad Sid would have sat, instead of having a 4 point night in a win for the Pens. On the otherside, since Sid plays with no problem, whether he went to festivities or not, Lids and Dats should have been allowed to play, instead the Wings lost to a team they should have beat and lost a 3rd player to injury because Hank was forced to double-shift due to the short bench.

[55fan 5,133]

For those that are bitching about Crosby's comments, here is exactly what he said:

"There's always different scenarios. I think in the case of some guys it's due to rest. You know, in my case it was an injury."

Now where did he single out Lidstrom and Datsyuk and say that they weren't really injured?

Please, you people are making s*** up out of thin air.

Actually, you have to take it in context regarding to whom he was referring. He had been asked about Lids and Dats. Not to mention, they were the only other guys the statement could have applied to this year. The full article is here.

Now I don't blame Crosby for his comments because, judging from his statements, he seems to be under the impression that the guys were aware of the option. They have stated that they weren't.

He also states that he was not aware that he could go and not miss a game until he called Bettman. Apparently, nobody told him that Lids and Dats didn't know. If Bettman said that he'd call the other guys, then Crosby would be operating on that assumption. We don't know what was said in the call. Crosby may have been misinformed, or he may have jumped to a conclusion.

Either way, his comment about "rest" vs his "injury" has a negative tilt to it. It would have been better had he said they needed "rehab" or "treatment" or something like that. "Rest" implies just taking the time off.

But you're right that he didn't say they weren't really injured. It was just implied that he came despite his injury, and they didn't because they wanted rest.

I still don't think Lids and Dats have deserved the treatment they have received for this. Those who went all "selfish prima donna jerks" on them should have at least considered that they may have chosen to rehab. It galls me that people dragged two guys with their reputations and Lids' history through the mud. If you don't know what I'm talking about, see Theo Fleury's article.

[egroen 384]

Crosby's and Bettman's comments over the All Star weekend really threw Lidstrom and Datsyuk under the bus.... and as a result just about every sports' journalist out there picked up what they set in motion and proceeded to paint them both as spoiled brats who care nothing about the game, its history or its fans. The fact they were actually injured, were planning on complying with the rule if it was enforced, and their manager was not even aware of the "loophole" until 36 hours before they were required to be there, was never mentioned. Instead, they were "vacationing", while Crosby was there for the fans. Yeah, that pissed me off.

The fact that the loopholes was implemented at the last minute, upon verifying Crosby could make it, without regard for whether two other extremely classy stars would be able to take advantage of it or not, reeks of favortism... and that bothers me.

The idea that an injury is "proven" by someone being able to hop on a flight, go from event to event, schmooze with corporate sponsors and attend the festivities of the All Star Game, while someone who stays at home to recieve treatment and rest is "suspect" and deserves to be suspended, is preposterous.

Whether Datsyuk or Lidstrom would have taken advantage of the Crosby Clause or not, if given more notice, is not the point. Whether they would have played in the game or not, is not the point. The fact that these suspension will have a very minor impact in terms of points and standings, is not the point. These are two great representatives for the NHL who not only were not excused from a stupid rule that obviously did not need to be enforced, or even given decent respect and had their notice to sit out a game sent quietly, but they were used publicly by Bettman to "send a message" and put Crosby on a pedestal and as a result had their names dragged through the mud by media all throughout North America.

Yes, that all upset me. It puts a very bad taste in my mouth in regard to Bettman and Crosby. And frankly, I am getting a little sick of people like GS&T contantly feeling the need lecture those who feel the same way and are expressing it (on a Red Wings forum, no less).

Edited January 29, 2009 by egroen

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

(in regards to the bold type)

1) What gave it away? The title of the post? I didn't want another "Crosby *****-fest", I wanted an answer to the question, "why he felt the need to play down other players injuries". Don't assume to ever know what I'm thinking. I've never met you, I've never talked to you before this. It makes you look ridiculous to assume these things.

2) I never mentioned anything about being upset about the suspensions. Lids sat because he was injured and Dats left the Yotes game. Common knowledge. They got suspended for missing the weekend. Case closed. I've moved on from this and so should you.

3) Once again, I know their injured. I know they were very likely to miss the game since the both said they were injured.

4) Thanks again for assuming something and that I was taking a shot at Bettman "indirectly". Where have I mentioned his name?

Thank you for your time in posting all that, calling me names, and contributing nothing to this thread.

About the only thing I can think of contributing is some lighter fluid to pour on this heaping pile of feces of a thread you started.

So essentially, you'd have me believe the sole reason your panties are in a bunch is because you want to nitpick Crosby's verse. So I shouldn't assume to know what you are thinking. Yet, you'll gladly assume to know Crosby was singling out Nick and D even though nowhere did he mention their names. So essentially its convenient for you to infer or come up with whatever assumptions you like to fit your position yet you're going to tell me not to assume anything on your part. Right.

Crosby could've been talking in generalities in regards to missing the game. He could've been talking about more than just this year's ASG. Remember, the entire rule came about because of the prior YEARS in which players were shunning the game. Crosby didn't single our guys out. He could've just been speaking in general about the state of affairs concerning players having missed the game in prior years and this year. So what. You're nitpicking his verse in order to find another reason to ***** about him.

And your logic about him playing so soon afterwards meaning that his injury must not have been that bad is so misguided it borders on absurd.

Given the amount of time from his last shift to his first shift, you have the following:

1. No idea what his injury was

2. No idea if his comfort level was at its highest or lowest during the ASG weekend

3. No idea if he was close to recovery and didn't want to aggravate anything during the ASG

Your entire complaint is formulated off of pure assumptions with ZERO knowledge of any of the details.

You know a player can aggravate a groin injury and miss 1 game. And another player can do the same thing and miss 3 weeks. You have no real knowledge of what is going on.

In order to give this thread any legitimacy for existing, you have to drum up some type of controversy based on his words. The facts as they stand are he didn't name names and you don't know anything about his injury status. Your complete reason for being miffed is based off assumptions.

Now, who has got a lighter?

[toby91_ca 620]

For those that are bitching about Crosby's comments, here is exactly what he said:

"There's always different scenarios. I think in the case of some guys it's due to rest. You know, in my case it was an injury."

Now where did he single out Lidstrom and Datsyuk and say that they weren't really injured?

Please, you people are making s*** up out of thin air.

Well, isn't it clear that those statements are a direct attack at the character of Lidstrom and Datsyuk?

I have been out of touch on all this for the most part and maybe I'm missing an interview or something, but I must say that I am not surprised at the outrage some on here may have for him, it seems to get dreamed up all the time. I haven't seen any interview or even read anything, beyond what is written here, but what I would have to imagine the comments relate to is a question about why he's there and the rule in general. He likely responded that he understands the rule (which I do as well, but I think it needs tweaking) that the game is important for exposure of the league and players shouldn't simply skip it and just rest....which lots of players have done "in the past" - this has nothing to do with Lidstrom or Datsyuk.

Even if Crosby thought they weren't hurt and just wanted to rest and was upset about it, I would have to imagine he would be smart enough not to make public statements eluding to that at all. The guy has been trained to give interviews since he was 7 or 8 years old. It makes for a boring interview because his statements are normally very conservative, trying to say the right things.......but that there makes me wonder how someone could take what he says and try to put a spin on it and make it out that he is calling out Dats and Lidstrom and has no class because of it. It boggles the mind sometimes.

In terms of not being able to play in the all-star game and being able to play 3 days later, not sure what's so magical about that. I did see an article on Monday that suggested he was questionnable for last night's game. If the game was on Monday, I saw a quote that suggested he wouldn't be playing, but he's see how practice goes on Tuesday. He missed time last week and was day to day, that's how day to day injuries go. Also, he didn't skip out on the allstar festivities anyway, so I'm not sure what the point is. It's not that players don't want to get out there and play, it's that they would rather stay at home and rest and not travel to the event. I'm sure any player would have preferred to be out there rather than sitting in the press box watching.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Alrighty then...

http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/spo...1b8f2c6&p=1

Bettman made up an exception to the rule (that you must PLAY in the game) that just happened to favor a certain someone whose name rhymes with Bidney Gosby.

He could have just as easily made an "exception" for anyone able to send over an autographd picture of themselves with the Cup. Granted, that would have been a lot of hoops for Crosby to jump through at the last second, but fair is fair.

This pretty much sums up why theres a reason to care about this. Blatant favoritism for Crosby has now crossed the line from sycophantic media coverage into NHL-endorsed "rules" that affect the outcomes of NHL games. Its sad, really.

[Williams29fan 6]

"There's always different scenarios. I think in the case of some guys it's due to rest. You know, in my case it was an injury."

.

If Avery said ^^^^ he would get suspended!

Edited January 29, 2009 by Williams29fan

[Esquire 324]

Ok, I concede everything said about me being an idiot and etc...

I'm done arguing about this. I guess we just don't see eye-to-eye about it. No harm intended.

If there's a mod reading this please lock it or delete it. I apologize for taking everyone's precious time in dragging this out and won't further comment about it in this, or any further post.

Moving on...

[HockeytownRN 0]

Ok, I concede everything said about me being an idiot and etc...

I'm done arguing about this. I guess we just don't see eye-to-eye about it. No harm intended.

If there's a mod reading this please lock it or delete it. I apologize for taking everyone's precious time in dragging this out and won't further comment about it in this, or any further post.

Moving on...

No, don't apologize. We have every right to "FEEL" the way we do and have our opinion about this. It's funny how the people oposing it are the ones calling Crosby a "******" and attacking people in this thread for feeling the way we do about how Crosby handled this. No one is disputing that Lids and Dats should not have been suspended. We aren't all in here calling Crosby names, but there are a lot of us who lost respect for Crosby and this is the exact place that we can talk about it. If people feel so strongly about arguing our point, rather than attacking people and calling names, why don't you just ignore this thread? I don't get it. No one will change my opinion on how Lids and Dats got bad press all weekend, I feel that Crosby only fed into that, and I have no respect for him. This is not a "***** fest", it's our opinion.

[esteef 2,679]

Crosby's and Bettman's comments over the All Star weekend really threw Lidstrom and Datsyuk under the bus.... and as a result just about every sports' journalist out there picked up what they set in motion and proceeded to paint them both as spoiled brats who care nothing about the game, its history or its fans. The fact they were actually injured, were planning on complying with the rule if it was enforced, and their manager was not even aware of the "loophole" until 36 hours before they were required to be there, was never mentioned. Instead, they were "vacationing", while Crosby was there for the fans. Yeah, that pissed me off.

The fact that the loopholes was implemented at the last minute, upon verifying Crosby could make it, without regard for whether two other extremely classy stars would be able to take advantage of it or not, reeks of favortism... and that bothers me.

The idea that an injury is "proven" by someone being able to hop on a flight, go from event to event, schmooze with corporate sponsors and attend the festivities of the All Star Game, while someone who stays at home to recieve treatment and rest is "suspect" and deserves to be suspended, is preposterous.

Whether Datsyuk or Lidstrom would have taken advantage of the Crosby Clause or not, if given more notice, is not the point. Whether they would have played in the game or not, is not the point. The fact that these suspension will have a very minor impact in terms of points and standings, is not the point. These are two great representatives for the NHL who not only were not excused from a stupid rule that obviously did not need to be enforced, or even given decent respect and had their notice to sit out a game sent quietly, but they were used publicly by Bettman to "send a message" and put Crosby on a pedestal and as a result had their names dragged through the mud by media all throughout North America.

Yes, that all upset me. It puts a very bad taste in my mouth in regard to Bettman and Crosby. And frankly, I am getting a little sick of people like GS&T contantly feeling the need lecture those who feel the same way and are expressing it (on a Red Wings forum, no less).

Amen.

[Inultus 12]

I love how everyone is totally skimming over the fact that Holland knew that Lids and Dats would be out a game but he didn't tell them.

[egroen 384]

I love how everyone is totally skimming over the fact that Holland knew that Lids and Dats would be out a game but he didn't tell them.

I think it is commendable of him.

If Holland had told them, they would feel an obligation to scramble to get there, despite their injuries and plans, or felt guilty for the game they were suspended for.

Holland did not want them going, wanted them to rest and recuperate, felt the last minute loophole was BS, and took the responsibility unto himself, without placing it in his players' hands. Good for him.

Edited January 29, 2009 by egroen

[Inultus 12]

I think it is commendable of him.

If Holland had told them, they would feel an obligation to scramble to get there, despite their injuries and plans, or felt guilty for the game they were suspended for.

Holland did not want them going, wanted them to rest and recuperate, felt the last minute loophole was BS, and took the responsibility unto himself, without placing it in his players' hands. Good for him.

Fair enough. Then let's place the responsibility on him, not Crosby.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

and as a result just about every sports' journalist out there picked up what they set in motion and proceeded to paint them both as spoiled brats who care nothing about the game, its history or its fans. Instead, they were "vacationing", while Crosby was there for the fans. Yeah, that pissed me off.

These are two great representatives for the NHL who not only were not excused from a stupid rule that obviously did not need to be enforced, or even given decent respect and had their notice to sit out a game sent quietly, but they were used publicly by Bettman to "send a message" and put Crosby on a pedestal and as a result had their names dragged through the mud by media all throughout North America.

Yes, that all upset me. It puts a very bad taste in my mouth in regard to Bettman and Crosby. And frankly, I am getting a little sick of people like GS&T contantly feeling the need lecture those who feel the same way and are expressing it (on a Red Wings forum, no less).

Egroen, I hate to tell you this but outside of our little universe here, people don't give a rat's ass about hockey, let alone 2 players on the Red Wings. For all of your whining and bitching about them having their good names dragged thru the mud, WTF are you talking about. Every sports writer in NA? Prove to me that all of a sudden every sportswriter in NA cares about hockey, let alone about about what transpired this ASG weekend.

My point in all of this, isn't to defend Sidney Crosby. I could care less. Its the rampant, ridiculous conspiracy theories and the inuendos and assumptions being made.

For all your anger, for the OP's displeasure at Crosby's verse, for all of the complaining and insinuations that Crosby wasn't really that hurt b/c he played the other night, you people cannot accept any of the FACTS that I posted.

Primarily, that nobody knows the extent of his injury. He didn't mention either Wings players name. He spoke in generalities, not being specific about anything. But I guess some Wings fans have thin skin. Sorry if you think i'm lecturing you. But you're acted like a ******* baby. Yeah, its a Red Wings forum. But its ******* embarassing that some Wings fans are worse than Vancouver Fanboys. I swear you're just looking to be offended by this.

Nobody gives a crap about this outside of here. Nobody is dragging our guys names through the mud. If that's your argument, then you start proferring up some examples of the sportswriters across the league, touting Crosby and slamming Nick and Dats. I mean, that's the crux of your ***** fest.

You're tired of me lecturing? Well i'm tired of you people acting like spoiled, whiny brats about something so trivial. Grow a pair already.

[Guest Shoreline]

The point is that Crosby was the one that was injured for real and others were just ASG draft dodging, straight from Sid's mouth himself. The NHLPA doesn't acknowledge any supposed agreement between the two parties on the issue, so no one should have been suspended.

Wrong. If Nick and Pav had went just for photoshoots and media s*** they would have been let off the hook. Same with Crosby. Difference is, Crosby went, Nick and Pav did not, despite having at very least a few days (even after claiming ignorance) to fly their ass down there. I don't blame them for it, in fact the league is ******* retarded for imposing stupid s*** like this, but nonetheless there was no favoritism in treatment. Also, maybe what Crosby said was stupid, but I don't care for what he said, he followed the rules. So no, not all of them should have been suspended -- the right ones were, consistent with the league's announcing people who didn't at least partake in other activities not related to skills competition or the ASG itself, would be suspended. Crosby was perfectly fine to play in the game last night, and looks like he had a nice night. Good for him.

Edited January 29, 2009 by Shoreline