2/2 GDT: Blues 3 at Red Wings 4, (SO)

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

Digital John's thoughts on Penalty Killing and bulls***

• Wow, the last Wings PP we weren't in the zone for more than 20 secs at a time
• Consequently, the Blues held our zone for over a minute on their last PP
• Conclusion: WTF fix the killzz0rs

Can't you read, it's ALL Ozzie's fault. I mean I guess he should leave the net to try to get puck possession since it's obvious that if he can't do it all by himself, it's his fault.

Or something.

And yes I'm actually enjoying these GDTs now. They used to piss me off, but I'd rather just mess with those that are messing their pants.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Legace is saving us today. A decent goaltender would've probably stopped all of those goals.

Eh, you can do worse than the second Hossa goal. The Maltby goal was bad and I don't think anything needs to be said about the other.

[Mike 0]

I know we are winning, but the Wings still look pretty bad out there, especially on the PP. The Wings cannot keep the opposing team out of the offensive zone on the PP and the PK. Also, this game is still pretty boring.

[Electrophile 3,554]

You are going to wait until dawn?

It's tradition. You don't want to mess with tradition.

[ben_usmc 253]

FACT: Detroit is going to make the playoffs.

FACT: the games don't really matter until the playoffs.

FACT: This team has gone through slumps before.

FACT: None of you haters (osgood or otherwise) were around when they were playing very well around the Winter Classic.

FACT: This constant panicking is getting FUNNY.

Fact: yes we will but it would nice to get past the 1st round again

Fact: this team has played half assed and bad most of the year

fact: pretty sure most of us have been around and many said that we played good against SJ and Chicago other then that not much else to say

fact: it's not panicking it's called concern, don't think all things remain the same from last season

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Eh, you can do worse than the second Hossa goal. The Maltby goal was bad and I don't think anything needs to be said about the other.

No, the 2nd goal was weaker than Maltby's. In fact, the 2nd goal was the worst of all three given up.

[Nightfall 871]

Bro I played hockey for 17 years and I am telling you that you are an idiot - and your opinion isn't "noted" nor should it be regardless of whether or not the person played hockey.

The goal was a garbage goal - there is NO argument against it. Now it wouldn't be the biggest deal in the world if it wasn't for the fact Osgood is have a bad year to say the least.

Fact:

Tonight Osgood's GAA is .778

Fact:

Osgood's GAA on the season is LAST in the league at 3.29, the league average (of all goaltenders, not just starters) is 2.73.

Fact:

Osgood's Save % is .880, while the league average (of all goaltenders, not just starters) is .908

Now I am not one who thinks this is the end of the world, however you would be beyond ignorant to go along and claim that this is not something to be concerned with. Basically what I am trying to say is that there are a lot of reasons people are jumping on Osggod for that first goal - mainly b/c garbage like that happens more often then not.

Looks like we both have played a long time. Then you should understand when the puck bounces against you. If you don't then you haven't played. End of story.

Go back and look at what I was replying to when I made that statement. That stands. 95% of the people bitching about Osgood haven't played the game. They don't understand that the puck can bounce against you at times. Crap happens. Thats my opinion. Dismiss it all you want, but its true in my mind.

Thanks for regurgitating those stats. What did you do it for? To backup your claim that the goal he let in was a good goal?

I don't think its the end of the world and its not anything to be concerned with. People have a right to their opinions and its obvious we are both dismissing each others opinions. Ah well.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

No, the 2nd goal was weaker than Maltby's. In fact, the 2nd goal was the worst of all three given up.

What? Hossa cutting to the face off dot and nailing the far side? I think we are getting our signals crossed.

As opposed to the floating wrister from the boards.

Edited February 3, 2009 by Heroes of Hockeytown

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

This game SUCKS and it's pissing me off because it is the first game of their's that I have seen since the winter classic.

[Electrophile 3,554]

Fact: yes we will but it would nice to get past the 1st round again

Fact: this team has played half assed and bad most of the year

fact: pretty sure most of us have been around and many said that we played good against SJ and Chicago other then that not much else to say

fact: it's not panicking it's called concern, don't think all things remain the same from last season

1. Because we clearly didn't get past the first round last year.

2. And despite that, we're only 2nd or 3rd in the West.

3. If 3 is true, 2 is false.

4. Hey, you finally got one right.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Fact: yes we will but it would nice to get past the 1st round again

Fact: this team has played half assed and bad most of the year

fact: pretty sure most of us have been around and many said that we played good against SJ and Chicago other then that not much else to say

fact: it's not panicking it's called concern, don't think all things remain the same from last season

Pretty much. The games where we have played good hockey - the kind were gonna need to pull off in the playoffs without fail - have been well in the minority this year. Good defensive efforts and solid goaltending (it doesn't even need to break) are what wins in the playoffs, and those are our biggest problems.

And yeah, its not pannicking when we've barely improved from where we were 50 games ago.

[Wingsallwin 0]

It does not matter we cut the slump or not. We need to show the intensity of hockey. We have had only few perfect games. Only comfortable section of the Wings now is offenses and PP. Other than that, mostly PK on the road and goalies and defenses are playing very questionary this season.

[russianswede919293 95]

Leino had an assisnt on the 2nd Hossa goal...

2 Games 2 Points...

If they send him down I might cry... I would rather use the saved up cap space to keep him then to make a trade...

[Jericho613 74]

FACT: Detroit is going to make the playoffs.

FACT: the games don't really matter until the playoffs.

FACT: This team has gone through slumps before.

FACT: None of you haters (osgood or otherwise) were around when they were playing very well around the Winter Classic.

FACT: This constant panicking is getting FUNNY.

Agreed, plus I think a little adversity is great for getting into playoff form. If we didn't go through a slump last year, I don't think we would have won the cup. Just an opinion.

[ben_usmc 253]

I rarely agree with this part but Kron had a week off by ASG break but after he took a rest, he has looked even worse than before in my view. I think he is just having a bad season.

Yeah valid point

[sureWhyNot 19]

FACT: Detroit is going to make the playoffs.

FACT: the games don't really matter until the playoffs.

FACT: This team has gone through slumps before.

FACT: None of you haters (osgood or otherwise) were around when they were playing very well around the Winter Classic.

FACT: This constant panicking is getting FUNNY.

You are clueless bro. Keep telling yourself that these games don't matter. In regards to your "slumps" reference I don't recall mentioning that in my post so I am confused as too why you would include it in your reply. However if you are referencing this being a "slump" for Osgood then you are just a flat out idiot. He has been last (or within 3 notches away) in GAA and Save % the entire year, from the first game of the season on.

While you may think the panicking is funny, others could argue that the apologists around here are equally if not more "funny". I'll tell you this much, seeing as though we are number 1 in Goals allowed this year is enough to make one at least talk about problems.

Am I saying that this is the end of the world? Nope. Do I think the Wings are having problems that can be fixed before the playoffs? Yup.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

What? Hossa cutting to the face off dot and nailing the far side? I think we are getting our signals crossed.

As opposed to the floating wrister from the boards.

The 2nd goal WAS a floater. Legace completely misplayed it.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Leino had an assisnt on the 2nd Hossa goal...

2 Games 2 Points...

If they send him down I might cry... I would rather use the saved up cap space to keep him then to make a trade...

A billion years ago when Lebda first came up he had a goal and an assist in his first two games, then was prompty buried in the minors for the rest of the season.

[Wingsallwin 0]

Pretty much. The games where we have played good hockey - the kind were gonna need to pull off in the playoffs without fail - have been well in the minority this year. Good defensive efforts and solid goaltending (it doesn't even need to break) are what wins in the playoffs, and those are our biggest problems.

And yeah, its not pannicking when we've barely improved from where we were 50 games ago.

Very much. Do we have a solid goaltending? No. Then who is even closer to the solid goaltending this season in the Wings? Conklin or Osgood?

[Mike 0]

The Wings should get rid of Ozzie just to eliminate him as a topic of conversation. Idk if even that would work.

Edited February 3, 2009 by Mike

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

Fact: yes we will but it would nice to get past the 1st round again

Fact: this team has played half assed and bad most of the year

fact: pretty sure most of us have been around and many said that we played good against SJ and Chicago other then that not much else to say

fact: it's not panicking it's called concern, don't think all things remain the same from last season

FACT: The NHL playoffs are great because even great teams get knocked off.

FACT: panicking over the regular season makes no sense.

FACT: Some of you were sure, but a lot were waiting for the bottom to drop out and WANTING it to happen.

FACT: Funny, a lot of you are acting the exact same childish way.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Agreed, plus I think a little adversity is great for getting into playoff form. If we didn't go through a slump last year, I don't think we would have won the cup. Just an opinion.

The Wings that "slumped" last year had better goaltending, better PKing, better defense, a ton of injuries, and more points in the bank. This team has serious problems that have been present for 50 games, and still haven't been rectified. They're nowhere near similar scenarios.

[Wings_Rule_1010 4]

The question of the period: can the Wings hold this lead?

[Wingsallwin 0]

1. Because we clearly didn't get past the first round last year.

2. And despite that, we're only 2nd or 3rd in the West.

3. If 3 is true, 2 is false.

4. Hey, you finally got one right.

But the standing is only standing. We have to have some good playing. It does not matter what standing the Wings are in. If we finish between 1st and 4th, which is most likely to happen, I am going to be fine with that.

We need to start to solve the problems we have. On goaltending, Osgood has been just awfully terrible this season no doubt about that. How can we rely on the goalie that has been worse than the average level of the goalie in the NHL?

[Nightfall 871]

I'm sure you have but at what point do bad bounces became just bad goaltending. Ozzy has had more "bad bounces" this year then everybody. The reason it even is an issue because let in a lot this year when last year he was money. Plus you can use the bad bounce and armchair arguement for any play of the game. I mean we are all being armchair anaylsts, thus being on the messageboard. I hope Ozzy turns it around to but that 1st goal he should have had. You are right though this arguement isn't going to stop, the only thing that bothered me is pointing out that you played hockey making you some sort of expert compared to those who are bitching about hockey; which you have know idea whether or not they played or even the level. So I go back to saying unless you are in the NHL or another pro league even it just comes off as self-righteous.

I wasn't talking about every game, just one goal.

Lets look at the comment in the context it was meant.

QUOTE (Detroit # 1 Fan @ February 2, 2009 - 08:08PM) *

lol @ people blaming Ozzie for that one.

95% of the people replying in this thread have never played hockey.

If they did, they would understand that the puck takes crappy bounces every now and again.

Nuff said.

As for me sounding self righteous, like it or not its a true statement.