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Still better than "boogity boogity boogity". Minus that and Digger, the TNT broadcasts are a breath of fresh air from the Fox ones.

That is 110% correct. I can't listen to DW at all. Plus when you add Digger, and "Hollywood Hotel" with 2 idiots it just makes a horrible broadcast.

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Still better than "boogity boogity boogity". Minus that and Digger, the TNT broadcasts are a breath of fresh air from the Fox ones.

Haha that was my favorite part to the racing listening to DW say "boogity boogity boogity boys lets go racing!" I would always turn my tv up just for that part.

That is 110% correct. I can't listen to DW at all. Plus when you add Digger, and "Hollywood Hotel" with 2 idiots it just makes a horrible broadcast.

Kind of reminds you of Hockey Central and VS?

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Daytona never disappoints. Helluvan exciting finish. Tony Stewart gets a win - very cool. JPM moves up into 11th place - very very cool. Plus any race in which the #18 car ends up a smoking pile of unrecognizable metal is a success in my book. Shrub actually ought to stop by the Petty garages and thank Kasey Kahne: if the 9 didn't smack him, I don't think he'd actually have finished the race.

Oh, and further proof NASCAR deserves major kudos for driver safety: Logano hit Shrub's drivers' side door at 170 mph - after Shrub's rear wheels were in Kahne's windshield - and no injuries to anyone involved. People will naturally harp on the dangers of plate racing, but if it produces races like that, and wrecks like that, and nobody's hurt, I say someone is doing something right.

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Daytona never disappoints. Helluvan exciting finish. Tony Stewart gets a win - very cool. JPM moves up into 11th place - very very cool. Plus any race in which the #18 car ends up a smoking pile of unrecognizable metal is a success in my book. Shrub actually ought to stop by the Petty garages and thank Kasey Kahne: if the 9 didn't smack him, I don't think he'd actually have finished the race.

Oh, and further proof NASCAR deserves major kudos for driver safety: Logano hit Shrub's drivers' side door at 170 mph - after Shrub's rear wheels were in Kahne's windshield - and no injuries to anyone involved. People will naturally harp on the dangers of plate racing, but if it produces races like that, and wrecks like that, and nobody's hurt, I say someone is doing something right.

I Love the HATE for the 18...shows how scared everyone is...

Im glad Tony won... Kyle must learn that 2 blocks at Daytona equals WALL

Great race all together.....

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I Love the HATE for the 18...shows how scared everyone is...

I hate him 'cause I'm scared of him doing well? Dumbest thing I ever heard. :rotflmao:

I don't hate him because he's good. I hate him because he's a spoiled little ******* who smashes trophies, and basks in the glory of how awesome he is when he wins and pouts and hides when he loses. He'll wreck anyone, anytime, and sit and whine when someone else does it to him - if he talks to the media at all. Usually he just stomps off to his trailer to suck on his pacifier.

Anyone who likes being hated the way he does - there's a problem with that.

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I hate him 'cause I'm scared of him doing well? Dumbest thing I ever heard. :rotflmao:

I don't hate him because he's good. I hate him because he's a spoiled little ******* who smashes trophies, and basks in the glory of how awesome he is when he wins and pouts and hides when he loses. He'll wreck anyone, anytime, and sit and whine when someone else does it to him - if he talks to the media at all. Usually he just stomps off to his trailer to suck on his pacifier.

Anyone who likes being hated the way he does - there's a problem with that.

so what that he wrecks people... Dale Sr would do it and he got praised for it...But Kyle does it and he sucks?? double standard there I think

there are 2 kinds of Drivers... those who drive and those who win

Kyle Wins.....

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so what that he wrecks people... Dale Sr would do it and he got praised for it...But Kyle does it and he sucks?? double standard there I think

there are 2 kinds of Drivers... those who drive and those who win

Kyle Wins.....

Did you even bother reading? I don't know if I should even respond, because you seem to pick and choose what you pay attention to. Here, let me spell this out for you loud and clear:

He'll wreck anyone, anytime, and sit and whine when someone else does it to him.

Get out of my way, I'm Kyle Busch, and I don't care if I put you in the wall but if you do it to me I'll go cry for a reporter. I don't mind drivers who wreck other drivers. I like drivers who get in wrecks because they're driving like NASCAR drivers should. You might notice who I've been rooting for all year: Juan Pablo Montoya. I like Montoya because he's an aggressive driver. But when Montoya gets wrecked by someone else, you don't seem him getting interviewed and complaining about it. Shrub gets taken out and it's nothing but "waaaahhh waaaahhh waaaahhh that guy shouldn't be out there he should get out of my way waaaahhh waaaahhh." That's if he doesn't stalk off the track in a hissy fit like he did at Daytona this week. Dale Sr. didn't stick his nose into a microphone after getting taken out and cry about it.

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:lol:

too easy drill sergeant

Why so agitated about drivers

you guys get way too fired up over a car race... I like watching But I dont throw hissies when a driver I

dont particularly care for wins...

one other question

Why do you dislike Toyota?

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you guys get way too fired up over a car race... I like watching But I dont throw hissies when a driver I

dont particularly care for wins...

one other question

I don't sit every Sunday or so and watch Nascar. In fact, I only watched 3 races this year. It isn't the same as if you go there and watch, if you go there then that is a new thing.

I can't stand Busch or Edwards, couple idiots trying to drive there car around.

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Curious, what you have against the other six besides Shrub? Most of 'em come off to me as pretty bland, mildly likeable but hard to hate. Especially Kenseth, Biffle, Hamlin, and Ragan. If there's one criticism I have it's that they're too bland, but it's hard to hold that against 'em. Hornish, I can sorta see just because he really seems out of his league in Sprint Cup and should probably go back to IRL. But I pull for him a little bit 'cause I always root for Penske cars.

Hornish has wrecked Harvick at least twice this year and I couldn't stand him when he was in IndyCars, though I don't recall if I had a reason for that.

Gilliland: Honest to God I'm not sure he should be allowed in a racecar after what he did to Montoya last year. I thought he should've been suspended for the rest of the season and I still can't believe Nascar let him off as lightly as they did. That guy is damn lucky that these cars are as safe as they are.

Kenseth: I guess I shouldn't dislike him as much as I do, given that he's a big reason Harvick won the 500 in 07 and he donated a bunch of autographed stuff to a fundraiser for my hockey arena. He's pissed me off too many times (though none jump to mind).

Biffle and Harvick have had their run-ins in the past. I also think he's got a terrible attitude. One of the first guys to rip the crew when something isn't going his way.

Hamlin just strikes me as a major whiner. At least Shrub is pretty much upfront about it that he's a total prick. Hamlin seems all nice and then once in awhile he says something that makes me think that Shrub and the old version of Stewart rubbed off on him. Another one that I don't really have a good reason to dislike.

I just think David Ragan is a complete joke. And he screwed Harvick's chances at a championship last year. Punted him at Talladega and so he was back behind the wreck that Edwards caused. Maybe it wouldn't have mattered. Some guys at the front and some toward the back got taken out. But, yeah, that guy is terrible. No more than 3 minutes before he wrecked the 29 in that race, I told my fiancee that I really didn't like the fact that Ragan was right behind him. :ranting:

By the way, it's not like anyone should be shocked that Shrub got put into the wall hard. He drives like a complete idiot the last lap of these plate races. This definitely isn't the first time he's gotten reckless trying to block. There's a reason that the right side of Harvick's car was trashed when he won the 500. Shrub tried to block him way too late and knocked him into the wall. Go back and watch the last lap of that race and try to imagine how many cars he would've taken out if he had been a little quicker sliding up at Harvick.

Oh and I completely agree about TNT's coverage. It was awesome. (Though I'm a fan of DW and McReynolds....it's a completely different atmosphere in that booth.) And their HD always looks SO nice. Too bad they can't do that Wide Open Coverage more often.

Also, it wouldn't make me cry if Nascar just said screw racing on Sunday and had all their races Saturday night under the lights. Night races kick ass.

BTW, doesn't Penske have to get Stremme out of the 12 car at some point? That guy makes Ragan look like Johnson. I said before the season I didn't think he'd make it to halfway, and I'm not really sure why he has. He hasn't had a top 20 since the 8th race of the year and has gone 31, 38, 24, 22, 31, 34, 38, 39, 28, 35 since then. It's not like he had a stellar career before that. There's gotta be someone better out there.

Hell, shelve the car and put the money into getting my boy Will Power back into an IndyCar! :-)

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I can't really be too upset at Gilliland for that even though JPM's my driver. A small part of the reason I like Montoya is he did that same thing to Shrub last year at New Hampshire. I don't mind aggressive racing, even over-aggressive racing. The difference I guess is that Montoya pulled his stunt under caution, and Gilliland wrecked Montoya under green when it had no bearing on the winner.

Honestly, I don't really fault Shrub for driving the way he did, nor Stewart either. "That's racin'," as they say. If he drove like that without the attitude (and not in a Toyota) I might actually be a fan. Yeah, the wreck was his "fault" but I don't think NASCAR drivers should settle for second for the sake of avoiding a wreck.

Oh, and yes: Stremme's a yutz. Penske's got cash: he ought to have been going hard after someone like Keselowski, or tried this year to snap up Truex before MWR got to him. I was disappointed in the Stremme hire the moment it was announced. I really want to see Keselowski in a full-time ride ASAP; Penske would have been smart to try. Actually what I'm hoping for now is to see Keselowski replace Truex in the 1 car for EGR. (And for EGR to stick with Chevy. I'll be beside myself if I have to go find yet another favorite driver because two years in a row my favorite ends up in a Toyota.)

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I can't really be too upset at Gilliland for that even though JPM's my driver. A small part of the reason I like Montoya is he did that same thing to Shrub last year at New Hampshire. I don't mind aggressive racing, even over-aggressive racing. The difference I guess is that Montoya pulled his stunt under caution, and Gilliland wrecked Montoya under green when it had no bearing on the winner.

Honestly, I don't really fault Shrub for driving the way he did, nor Stewart either. "That's racin'," as they say. If he drove like that without the attitude (and not in a Toyota) I might actually be a fan. Yeah, the wreck was his "fault" but I don't think NASCAR drivers should settle for second for the sake of avoiding a wreck.

Oh, and yes: Stremme's a yutz. Penske's got cash: he ought to have been going hard after someone like Keselowski, or tried this year to snap up Truex before MWR got to him. I was disappointed in the Stremme hire the moment it was announced. I really want to see Keselowski in a full-time ride ASAP; Penske would have been smart to try. Actually what I'm hoping for now is to see Keselowski replace Truex in the 1 car for EGR. (And for EGR to stick with Chevy. I'll be beside myself if I have to go find yet another favorite driver because two years in a row my favorite ends up in a Toyota.)

Why do you hate Toyota so much?

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I wanted Busch to win,but having Tony win isn't bad ether.I used to hate the guy,but I've really grown to like him these past few years,with going to his own team and such.My boy Kahne was running good until he smacked the 18 at the line.Aj had a up and down night,Sorrenson,god don't even get me started,and Sadler was decent in 10th.

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I can't really be too upset at Gilliland for that even though JPM's my driver. A small part of the reason I like Montoya is he did that same thing to Shrub last year at New Hampshire. I don't mind aggressive racing, even over-aggressive racing. The difference I guess is that Montoya pulled his stunt under caution, and Gilliland wrecked Montoya under green when it had no bearing on the winner.

See, I think those were two completely different things (and not just because I like JPM and hate Shrub). It's one thing entirely to spin someone (like, knocking them in the left rear) under yellow on a short track. It's another to crank your car down into someone on the backstretch at Texas (or whatever cookie cutter fast track they were at). Especially when you drill them in the right rear and put them head on into the wall. There are plenty of ways to get back at someone on track without risking their life. I don't think it's overly dramatic to say that he easily could've killed JPM. That wreck was a helluva lot worse than the one that killed Earnhardt (granted the cars are safer).

I think Nascar has been way too lax about people who intentionally cause wrecks. Yeah, they tossed Gilliland from the race. Yippee do. They should have parked him for the season. Jarrett intentionally wrecked Newman at Richmond a few years back and ended up taking out at least one of the guys who was competing for a spot in the Chase. They penalized him like 5 laps. Too bad he was like 3 laps behind the car in front of him and 10 laps ahead of the car behind him. It didn't cost him a single position.

I've always found it really amusing that you can intentionally wreck someone and you get a slap on the wrist. If you swear on TV though? That's 100,000 and 25 points.

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Why do you hate Toyota so much?

Various reasons. Primary among them is that I'm a loyal Detroiter and no loyal Detroiter worth a damn ought to be rooting for a Toyota car to win a race. I hate Toyota cars themselves, they're bland, style-less appliances IMO. And their racing heritage is a joke IMO. Check out the pace cars. Whenever Chevy supplies a pace car, it's a Camaro or a Corvette. Ford pace cars are Mustangs. Dodge pace cars are Challengers or occasionally Vipers. Toyota supplies tracks with a hybrid Camry. A Camry?

Why shouldn't I hate Toyota, really? It's no different from the old ways of NASCAR which still exist for a lot of people to this day, where there are Chevy folks who wouldn't dream in a million years of buying or rooting for a Ford, and vice versa. In my case it's American companies vs. foreign ones.

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Various reasons. Primary among them is that I'm a loyal Detroiter and no loyal Detroiter worth a damn ought to be rooting for a Toyota car to win a race. I hate Toyota cars themselves, they're bland, style-less appliances IMO. And their racing heritage is a joke IMO. Check out the pace cars. Whenever Chevy supplies a pace car, it's a Camaro or a Corvette. Ford pace cars are Mustangs. Dodge pace cars are Challengers or occasionally Vipers. Toyota supplies tracks with a hybrid Camry. A Camry?

Why shouldn't I hate Toyota, really? It's no different from the old ways of NASCAR which still exist for a lot of people to this day, where there are Chevy folks who wouldn't dream in a million years of buying or rooting for a Ford, and vice versa. In my case it's American companies vs. foreign ones.

Whew.. I thought it was because they were a foreign car....

Cause I was gonna say... You do know that Juan Pablo Montoya...isnt American...just wondering why Mexicans are OK but Toyota is the bad guy here?

I get what your saying about the Coolness of the pace cars and their line of cars in general...but the Cars on the track are all the same....... so the different model cars are pretty much Moot .... Ford races the Fusion..not a Mustang.... you know what I mean.

And there are good Detroiters that like the sport and want a Toyota driver to win because they like the Driver..

Ive been a Kyle Busch fan since he was with Hendrick..(CHEVY) and he went to JGR, THEN they switched to Toyota...so just because a team changes manufacturers does not mean i am gonna be so shallow to hate said driver.....

But as long as the driver drives a American car, I guess it doesnt matter that a mexican is taking a American job away eh? Thats cool by me... Your the one with the double standard....

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Whew.. I thought it was because they were a foreign car....

Cause I was gonna say... You do know that Juan Pablo Montoya...isnt American...just wondering why Mexicans are OK but Toyota is the bad guy here?

I get what your saying about the Coolness of the pace cars and their line of cars in general...but the Cars on the track are all the same....... so the different model cars are pretty much Moot .... Ford races the Fusion..not a Mustang.... you know what I mean.

And there are good Detroiters that like the sport and want a Toyota driver to win because they like the Driver..

Ive been a Kyle Busch fan since he was with Hendrick..(CHEVY) and he went to JGR, THEN they switched to Toyota...so just because a team changes manufacturers does not mean i am gonna be so shallow to hate said driver.....

But as long as the driver drives a American car, I guess it doesnt matter that a mexican is taking a American job away eh? Thats cool by me... Your the one with the double standard....

First - educate yourself: Montoya's not Mexican. I get your point but you come across uninformed like that. What is this, a world where everyone with a Spanish-sounding name is Mexican?

Second - where did I say I hate a driver because he's in a Toyota? This goes back to that thing where you don't read what I say, except for the parts that are convenient. I gave you plenty of reasons why Kyle Busch is a cockhole, and in none of those posts did I say "Toyota." P.S. Reason #47: he thinks Tony Stewart "dumped" him when the whole damn world, including his fans, could see Kyle's wreck was Kyle's fault. But no, in Kyle's world, nothing is Kyle's fault.

Third - when did I say it was about "jobs"? Is every American vs. foreign thing about "jobs"? I guess I'm supposed to hate the Wings, in your book, because of all the Swedish guys coming over and playing on an American team.

Fourth - Ford doesn't "race" the Fusion - you ought to know by now that none of those cars are Fusions, Impalas, Chargers, or Camrys any more than they're Greyhound buses. By now the labels on the cars are the same thing as every other label on the car: advertisements. The engine is the only thing; and that said, hating Toyota means rooting against them so those advertisement efforts go to waste. It doesn't mean I hate the driver, like you seem to think: it means I want the company's efforts to be wasted. Sorry for the driver, but oh well. In your world, I guess I'd be a Kyle fan if JGR switched back to Chevy. Sorry, no dice.

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First - educate yourself: Montoya's not Mexican. I get your point but you come across uninformed like that. What is this, a world where everyone with a Spanish-sounding name is Mexican?

Second - where did I say I hate a driver because he's in a Toyota? This goes back to that thing where you don't read what I say, except for the parts that are convenient. I gave you plenty of reasons why Kyle Busch is a cockhole, and in none of those posts did I say "Toyota." P.S. Reason #47: he thinks Tony Stewart "dumped" him when the whole damn world, including his fans, could see Kyle's wreck was Kyle's fault. But no, in Kyle's world, nothing is Kyle's fault.

Third - when did I say it was about "jobs"? Is every American vs. foreign thing about "jobs"? I guess I'm supposed to hate the Wings, in your book, because of all the Swedish guys coming over and playing on an American team.

Fourth - Ford doesn't "race" the Fusion - you ought to know by now that none of those cars are Fusions, Impalas, Chargers, or Camrys any more than they're Greyhound buses. By now the labels on the cars are the same thing as every other label on the car: advertisements. The engine is the only thing; and that said, hating Toyota means rooting against them so those advertisement efforts go to waste. It doesn't mean I hate the driver, like you seem to think: it means I want the company's efforts to be wasted. Sorry for the driver, but oh well. In your world, I guess I'd be a Kyle fan if JGR switched back to Chevy. Sorry, no dice.

OK OK he's Columbian.....Same Difference

Busch didnt get dumped in my eyes in Daytona...Busch Screwed the pooch... if he cant see he did thats his own issue I still like the guy.... He wins... more so than most over rated drivers in the circuit.

and yes.. you did make a issue of Foreign Vs American. the only reason I brought up JPM and where he's from.... If its a foreign issue which you made pretty clear it was.... I just didnt understand why you cheer for a foreign driver...

dont get me wrong.. I don't like seeing anyone get dumped, WHEN IT HAPPENDS,

But I think if your a fan of a sport....it shouldnt matter what manufacturers are involved, Its cool to hate drivers, Everyone has their favorites to like and dis-like. Obviously Im the only one who like Kyle Busch.... Oh well.. Deal with it . just like I have to deal with hearing about how JR is a Racing God....from 90% of the NASCAR fans I know personally... (IMO- He is over-rated a bit)

Dont EVEN.....EVEN....compare Hockey to NASCAR. thats just wrong.... I never made a comparison to Hockey.. YOU DID.... 2 totally different sports....and totally different genres of fans. The one thing you and I will agree on..the Wings rule ......

Sounds like to me your a Nascar fan with a interest in Hockey and Im a Hockey fan with a interest in Nascar.

not tryin to be insulting.... please read it like a metaphor... just sayin. enjoy the rest of the Season and Go Kyle!!!!!

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Sounds like to me your a Nascar fan with a interest in Hockey and Im a Hockey fan with a interest in Nascar.

I don't know how you figure that. But whatever.

Anyway, Jeremy Mayfield: Dude tested positive again. I don't know who's telling the truth between him and NASCAR, but it seems clear to me that there's no middle ground here. Either NASCAR is off on a vile, idiotic smear crusade, or Mayfield is a lying sack of s***. Two tests now, and the stepmother, lined up against him. NASCAR should take this stuff to an independent lab to settle it; if they're confident it's a positive test that couldn't be anything but meth, they should be OK with a little verification.

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