3chrisosgood0 7 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 saw this on ESPN about not taking fighting out but rather make rules the mentioned rule was making helemts manditory during the fight and if a helemt were to come off the refs would break it up im not a huge fan of this at all fighters know what they are getting into during a fight let them do as they wish during the fight they know the risks ARTICLE: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3884697 btw didnt see this posted but if it already was my bad just delete the thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valas19 50 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 That sucks but I would understand the reasoning. Someone's head getting slammed to the ice with a helmet on is scary enough. I love it when 2 guys square off and they each remove their helmets and gloves as they get ready to throw punches. That is the pinnacle of an honorable hockey fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 then some how they need to make it where visors can be taken off then. cause you know you will get that player that is going to start s*** ala tootoo with a visor on knowing good and well what he is doing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 My god. All this over one death...in how many hundreds of thousands of fights over the years we have on unfortunate accident and all these knee-jerk reactions happen. Theyre big boys. If they want to fight let them. If a player doesnt want his helmet to come off, then he should either not fight or turtle away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drwscc 212 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 My favorite part is the whole "We're going to eliminate enforcers." aspect. What a crock. Kelly acknowledged the role fighting has in policing the tenor of play, but added that so-called “staged fights” between two players with skill sets limited to throwing punches may no longer have a place in the game. The potential damage that strong men who stand well over 6 feet on skates and weigh more than 250 pounds can inflict might now make such bouts too dangerous. “If it’s a staged fight between two superheavyweights that perhaps arranged it a day before the game, I’m not so sure those are the fights that we need to continue to have in the sport,” Kelly said. “And if they’re the most dangerous fights, we ought to take a good, hard look at those. “I’m not advocating elimination of their jobs, I’m talking about the question of safety. If those guys can hold a roster spot and skate on a fourth line and play and engage in fights which arise from the emotion of the game, great. But if they’re only there for one purpose, then I think that’s at least one issue our competition committee will take a hard look at.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 I completely disagree with not allowing helmets to come off. If no one wore visors, I might think differently. Can you imagine Vernon/Roy or Osgood/Roy if they had kept their "helmets" on? That would have included masks. Let the boys square off without helmets and gloves- the honourable way. Get rid of the takedowns. Let it be a fight; not a wrestling match. If a guy goes down, the fight's over. If he gets back up of his own volition and wants to continue, that's his choice; the other has to wait for him to regain his feet. If he's had enough, he just goes down and that ends it. Simple as that. They've been doing it for years. No need to micromanage it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest E_S_A_D Report post Posted February 5, 2009 This guy is a moron. Lets put MLB Baseball Players in body shields too when they're up to bad. I think Horse Jockey's should wear space suits. I think Basketball players MUST wear knee gaurds and helmets too, they jump really high and could fall. Football? Eliminate it, it's too violent. C'mon moron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetterbeard40 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Come on people. I like fighting in hockey just as much as everyone else, but somewhere something has to change. I know there have been isolated occurences of head injury, and death, but that doesnt mean that if something can be prevented then you shouldnt do it, to keep the history and tradition in the game. Players evolve and get stronger and faster, and sometimes rules have to compensate for this. I know that I would much rather see a few broken hands a year then concussions and possibl life threatening injuries. How many times do we see a fight end with a body slam and someone on their back, almost hitting their head. When it comes down to it, rules are voted on by the owners, and if Im an owner, and Im spending 500k-8 million per year on a player, you bet your ass I want to protect my investment. As for fighting with visors, this problem can be fixed easily. Many equipment companies have visors that are clip on and clip off pieces. Anyone in the league who wants to wear a visor has to wear a removable one. As for the rule of taking helmets off during a fight, I 100% agree with this. This is about protecting the ga,e and marketing a safe game for younger generations. Whether helmets are removed or not, people will still go see NHL game and enjoy nhl fights, but when it comes down to it, if Im a parent of a youth hockey player, and my son/daughter is risking life threatening injuries to keep the "tradition" in hockey, then Im not too comfortable with that. We can sit here and argue until we're blue in the face about what to do about certain rule changes, but sports evolve, and rules must accomodate this evolution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Don't change a damned thing! Don't even let them chip away at it! esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMAC 25 18 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 wow this is stupid, i'm sorry but i'm starting to not like the NHL since the lockout. its begininng to be stupid leave it how it was, it goes back to the saying if theres nothing wrong with it dont try to change it. now i know players are getting injured but once they drop the gloves they know what their getting themselves into. the fights would not last long if the helmets came off because it only takes a few punches. if they agree to make this a rule then u can say goodbye to the big fights like the one detroit had in 97 with colorado. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 How many times do we see a fight end with a body slam and someone on their back, almost hitting their head. Erm...never? Hence why only one person has died? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 From yesterday's Toronto "Star" and prior to the statement by Kelly: Eric Lindros. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoe 165 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Nothting like a nice bashed up hand because you were punching a helmet for 30 seconds. Just need a couple of good players out with a broken hand/finger for a month or 2 and that rule will be gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drwscc 212 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Well, then they will just say "See? Fighting isn't doing any good. No reason for us to have it in the game." It's win-win for the people who want fighting gone, and frankly, I think it's pathetic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 Come on people. I like fighting in hockey just as much as everyone else, but somewhere something has to change. I know there have been isolated occurences of head injury, and death, but that doesnt mean that if something can be prevented then you shouldnt do it, to keep the history and tradition in the game. Players evolve and get stronger and faster, and sometimes rules have to compensate for this. I know that I would much rather see a few broken hands a year then concussions and possibl life threatening injuries. How many times do we see a fight end with a body slam and someone on their back, almost hitting their head. When it comes down to it, rules are voted on by the owners, and if Im an owner, and Im spending 500k-8 million per year on a player, you bet your ass I want to protect my investment. As for fighting with visors, this problem can be fixed easily. Many equipment companies have visors that are clip on and clip off pieces. Anyone in the league who wants to wear a visor has to wear a removable one. As for the rule of taking helmets off during a fight, I 100% agree with this. This is about protecting the ga,e and marketing a safe game for younger generations. Whether helmets are removed or not, people will still go see NHL game and enjoy nhl fights, but when it comes down to it, if Im a parent of a youth hockey player, and my son/daughter is risking life threatening injuries to keep the "tradition" in hockey, then Im not too comfortable with that. We can sit here and argue until we're blue in the face about what to do about certain rule changes, but sports evolve, and rules must accomodate this evolution. think about how many fights in all of hockey...not just nhl but every league everywhere and you have 1 death from fighting and now you want to take it out of the sport? what about boxing....how many deaths have we had in that sport from getting hit so many times in the head and they don't seem to be stopping anytime soon. and as far has the helmet thing is...like i said before....how would you like tootoo running around with a shield on knowing he can;t take it off and starting fights like he does..people like him would use that to their advantage. example..i know this is boxing deaths vs mma and its the only thing i could find in short but look. Boxing Deaths from 1998 until 2006 MMA Death Rates from 1998-2006 1998 = 2 Deaths in the ring 1998 = 1 Death in the ring 1999 = 6 Deaths in the ring 1999 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2000 = 10 Deaths in the ring 2000 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2001 = 12 Deaths in the ring 2001 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2002 = 10 Deaths in the ring 2002 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2003 = 10 Deaths in the ring 2003 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2004 = 9 Deaths in the ring 2004 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2005 = 7 Deaths in the ring 2005 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2006 = 4 Deaths in the Ring 2006 = 0 Deaths in the ring Total deaths in the ring for between the period of 1998 and now: BOXING 70 deaths MMA 1 Death Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 5, 2009 think about how many fights in all of hockey...not just nhl but every league everywhere and you have 1 death from fighting and now you want to take it out of the sport? what about boxing....how many deaths have we had in that sport from getting hit so many times in the head and they don't seem to be stopping anytime soon. and as far has the helmet thing is...like i said before....how would you like tootoo running around with a shield on knowing he can;t take it off and starting fights like he does..people like him would use that to their advantage. example..i know this is boxing deaths vs mma and its the only thing i could find in short but look. Boxing Deaths from 1998 until 2006 MMA Death Rates from 1998-2006 1998 = 2 Deaths in the ring 1998 = 1 Death in the ring 1999 = 6 Deaths in the ring 1999 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2000 = 10 Deaths in the ring 2000 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2001 = 12 Deaths in the ring 2001 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2002 = 10 Deaths in the ring 2002 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2003 = 10 Deaths in the ring 2003 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2004 = 9 Deaths in the ring 2004 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2005 = 7 Deaths in the ring 2005 = 0 Deaths in the ring 2006 = 4 Deaths in the Ring 2006 = 0 Deaths in the ring Total deaths in the ring for between the period of 1998 and now: BOXING 70 deaths MMA 1 Death I was gonna make a post like this but I couldnt be bothered searching for the stats Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
