Hossa and the Wings

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Looks good and makes me like Hossa even more then before. Says alot about the Ownership, organization and about Hossa... all are committed to winning and being happy. Where else in the league do you find this happening? Good news for all Wings fans!

QFT

Lidstrom started this right after the cap was instituted and Z just engraved it in stone for the next decade. Nothing must piss off the other 29 teams or their fan-bases more than seeing the Wings' organization pull rabbit after rabbit out of their hats.

[titanium2 867]

What about Hudler he's too amazing to loose... trade filppula is the only option? atleast it appears so... Can we take for granted that Hudler will get offers from other clubs?

I don't want to lose him either but you can't have everybody. They will lose someone who they really, really like. And it's not just going to be someone like Sammy or Kopy who they kind of like.

Edited February 12, 2009 by titanium2

[Sebastian 0]

I swear i love this guy

[bellarina 1]

This all makes up for those rough years in the 80's. I was in high school in the 80's and wearing a Winged wheel jersey those days were rough.

But it was all worth the last 19 years. Watching players like Hossa actually take a significant discount to remain a Wing is amazing. All it took was what 6 months in the org and he is smart enough to realize that this is the place to be.

Hah!!

Soon players will start bidding to get on this team.

Luongo" well I know that I've been offered 10 million a year but I will ask Ken Holland if he can squeeze me in for the league min and some tasty pizzas."

Crosby" I know I can't crack the top 2 lines but if I take a significant discount and really practice maybe i'll have a shot."

LOL

[bellarina 1]

Bashing Pens fans is getting old...let it go already.

It's not all their fans that want Hossa dead, just some really stupid morons.

[55fan 5,133]

I've been trying not to get too attached to Hossa. Just be happy with the one year and wish him well in the future. Just trying to save myself the heartache when he goes.

I feel myself getting sucked in.

We are happy when someone who has come up in the Wings like Hank and Pavel take nice discounts, but when someone comes in from the outside and is willing to do it, that just says a lot.

It's getting harder and harder not to get my hopes up.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Bashing Pens fans is getting old...let it go already.

It's not all their fans that want Hossa dead, just some really stupid morons.

I agree. I really hope that people are more happy about this news because it makes the Wings a better team in the long run, and not because the rest of the league will have another reason to hate us.

[Nic 59]

I've been trying not to get too attached to Hossa. Just be happy with the one year and wish him well in the future. Just trying to save myself the heartache when he goes.

I feel myself getting sucked in.

We are happy when someone who has come up in the Wings like Hank and Pavel take nice discounts, but when someone comes in from the outside and is willing to do it, that just says a lot.

It's getting harder and harder not to get my hopes up.

Very well put! I totally feel the same way.

[hokike 1]

The thing is Holland most likely won't be able to sign Hossa for a 8-12 year deal and have the last three or four years be 1M each. We would have a 12M caphit on two 38 year old players at that point, which is way too risky. A 6-8 year deal would avoid this problem, but most likely won't be able to get down to 1M or 2M in those last couple years to lower the cap overall. The only way I can see this working is for a 4 or 5 year deal with 7 to 8M in the first two years and 5 to 6M in the second half of the contract for a cap hit of around 6.5ish.

sitting in 2015 with age 35+ pair of forwards, peaked already, but cap hit still 6+6 mil is surely a recipe for stagnation in terms of team development, so 4 yr for hossa is reasonable. But it also means very remarkable discount ( salary can't exceed Lidstrom's annual salary) and that is unlikely to happen.

[Mike 0]

Straight out of Hossa's mouth: "Everyone knows that to play in Detroit you have to take less money...I'll take less money."

Not bad hearing Hossa say that Holland will probably be able to keep him AND Mule. Now if only Mule feels the same way...

No worries in my mind. I think it's all a matter of when and how much. I feel so much better about this now.

What's interesting is that the article quotes that Hossa is looking to make between Zetterberg and Datsyuk's money. But in another article that seemed just as reliable, it says Hossa knows he won't make more than Datsyuk. Considering how the media was slightly off on Z's new contract before it was signed, anyone else have a feeling he'll match Zetterberg's contract?

I wonder how many years we're offering Hossa?

I have a feeling that Hossa will be making $6 million a season, which would be an excellent cap hit.

[Mike 0]

If Hossa doesn't sign, I am going to be crushed. There is just something about a star player saying he will take less money to play for the team that I love.

[ashenhigh 9]

our team is just too good.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Every time it's even mentioned that Hossa is really gearing toward staying, my stomach does backflips. (I should probably get that checked out.)

But seriously - I used to not be the biggest fan of Hossa. His first however-many games with our team, I was disappointed. He was visibly struggling to find where he fit in with us and it bothered me. He seemed slow (possibly because he's so damn big) and he wasn't on a one point per game pace like I thought someone of his marketed talent SHOULD be.

But lately - my entire opinion has changed. He's found that place - that niche. He works his butt off on the ice - and he's one of the most potent snap-and-release goal scorers I've ever seen.

Hossa belongs in Detroit.. and you're hearing it from the doubter's mouth. Er... fingers.

[Nev 1,085]

sitting in 2015 with age 35+ pair of forwards, peaked already, but cap hit still 6+6 mil is surely a recipe for stagnation in terms of team development, so 4 yr for hossa is reasonable. But it also means very remarkable discount ( salary can't exceed Lidstrom's annual salary) and that is unlikely to happen.

I agree that we could be in salary cap hell with a bunch of aging players still with a big cap hit, however - I'm also of the opinion that we must take advantage of the loaded roster we are blessed with at the minute.

Lidstrom is aging, and starting to show it, but is still an elite defenceman, Z & Dats are the best 2-way forwards in the game, and are both in their prime. We have a depth and quality to our roster that is the envy of the league. If signing Hossa to this incredible roster gives us another cup or 2 in the next 5 years, but leads to 5 lean years as we are saddled with an old but expensive roster, then personally I would make that trade. This Wings dynasty cannot go on forever, we must take every advantage of what we have.

As for Hossa, I can't believe it, but I think we are really going to get him. He has been saying more and more how he wants to stay and is willing to take a pay cut for it to happen. Franzen, I'm not hearing so much........And Kenny is playing it brilliantly with his "first to agree a contract stays, one who doesn't agree a contract is gone. He is in the unique GM position of actually driving the price down!

[VM1138 1,921]

Let's not forget that many players keep playing at a high level well into their late 30s. Having Hossa past 35 doesn't necessarily mean he's going to start sucking. Looking at his track record, I seriously doubt he's going to be one of those guys relegated to the fourth line when he's 36 or 37. He's still giong to be tearing up the league.

[Jericho613 74]

That's Awesome news

[esteef 2,679]

Let's not forget that many players keep playing at a high level well into their late 30s. Having Hossa past 35 doesn't necessarily mean he's going to start sucking. Looking at his track record, I seriously doubt he's going to be one of those guys relegated to the fourth line when he's 36 or 37. He's still giong to be tearing up the league.

True dat. Especially when it's common practice now for Wings players to work out after games and practices. There are some great role models in the Wings organization with regard to league longevity. He'll be fine.

esteef

[Namingway 146]

Oh man. When a player like Hossa says he'd stay for a discount, you gotta keep him. As much as I love Mule, if it means we get to keep Hossa long term AND at a cheaper price too, I'd go with Hossa, regardless of whether Mule stays or not. Hossa is much more valuable to our team in this time of age. Sure, Mule might become the next gordie howe one day but who knows. At the moment Hossa is and still will be in a few years, the Marian f***en Hossa that we all know. He's a keeper

[whitneydatsyukrox 0]

Let's not forget that many players keep playing at a high level well into their late 30s. Having Hossa past 35 doesn't necessarily mean he's going to start sucking. Looking at his track record, I seriously doubt he's going to be one of those guys relegated to the fourth line when he's 36 or 37. He's still giong to be tearing up the league.

So true! And the great thing about players like Dats, Zetterberg, and Hossa, is that even if their offensive production declines a lot in their older age, they still have so much to offer the team (apart from being a "good presence in the locker room" like most vets). Their defensive abilities will almost definitely remain.

[dallas27 7]

I hate to be an ahole, but I sorta am.

Yes. Hossa took SEVERAL MILLION LESS to play with the Wings THIS YEAR when the retained their ENTIRE CUP WINNING ROSTER. What about that do you not understand as being a special circumstance? And this is IGNORING the fact that the cap will fall and we're already tight against the cap with 3 big raises to give to guys not including Marian Hossa.

But yeah, Hossa is going to sign for 7M when he could make 9 after we had to trade Samuelsson, Hudler, and let Franzen go to retain him. Right.

This is beyond wishful thinking. Its delusion.

And again, like most players who are on the losing side of debates, you bring on the hyperbole. Yes. I said that I know what every player thinks and will do. Thats exactly right. How about we go with a little logic here? Hossa will not return, let alone for a paycut. Period.

I've been advocating for months that there is no evidence showing that Hossa wouldn't take another discount to stay here. Looks like I was right.

That aside. I'm waiting to see if Mr. Holland signs Franzen first. Why? Market value. If Mr. Holland lets Franzen hear what other teams will offer him in the off-season I suspect it would be a lot tougher to sign him compared to Hossa. Hossa has made it clear that he wants to be a Red Wing for some time to come, he knows what teams are willing to offer him BUT he has stated publicly that he is willing to take a discount. So you don't have to worry about Hossa jumping ship once he hears outrageous numers, not so sure about Franzen. Of course if Flip isn't traded then I say screw it, don't take that gamble and lock up Hossa ASAP.

Edited February 12, 2009 by dallas27

[This Is Bida 0]

I hate to be an ahole, but I sorta am.

I've been advocating for months that there is no evidence showing that Hossa wouldn't take another discount to stay here. Looks like I was right.

That aside. I'm waiting to see if Mr. Holland signs Franzen first. Why? Market value. If Mr. Holland lets Franzen hear what other teams will offer him in the off-season I suspect it would be a lot tougher to sign him compared to Hossa. Hossa has made it clear that he wants to be a Red Wing for some time to come, he knows what teams are willing to offer him BUT he has stated publicly that he is willing to take a discount. So you don't have to worry about Hossa jumping ship once he hears outrageous numers, not so sure about Franzen. Of course if Flip isn't traded then I say screw it, don't take that gamble and lock up Hossa ASAP.

Oh I love it! Me and you think exactly alike. Ever since the beginning I said we need to focus on keeping Hossa and so many board members said 'hell no, Franzen is top priority. Hossa is for sure gone after this year".

As for who to sign first, I truly think you NEED (and they will) sign Hossa first. He is the top priority now that Z has signed. As much as I love Mule it would be much easier to lose him down the road that losing Hossa all because you signed Franzen first.

As for me, my hopes are completely topped out! They can't get any higher to resign Hossa. If he doesn't come back, will I boo him at the arena and hope he dies like every piece of s*** Pens fan? Absolutely not. No matter what I hope Hossa has an amazing career. I just also hope its with the Red Wings organization!

Oh, and I wish I knew which member it was but someone has me quoted in their Sig with:

"Hossa will retire a Red Wing. I guarantee that!" that I posted many many months ago when everyone was saying he'd never be back.

Looks like I might not have been too wrong, huh?

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Fantastic news.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

double

Edited February 12, 2009 by Hockeytown0001

[ben_usmc 253]

I really wish there was some postive news on Hudler: maybe he knows he has to take less also

They also put Hossa on the 2nd line to lower his stats and make him sign for less; just like Holland did to Z jk, but it is a sly idea.

Edited February 12, 2009 by ben_usmc

[This Is Bida 0]

Looks like I found it:

Posted November 15th, 2008

Mark my words... Hossa will retire a Red Wing.

Looks like I might not be that far off...

Oh and I found this a little funny from a few months back:

You are ignoring the biggest part of this. Hossa is gonna command at least what he is making this year $7.45M + while Mule is gonna go for 3-5M depending on who you talk to so to say we should keep Hossa over Mule is meaningless. You need to compare Hossa with Mule + Huds and or Sammy. When you do that it is alot less cut and dry.

Nobody is going to say Mule is better than Hossa so stop with the comparisons.

Edited February 12, 2009 by This Is Bida