Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 I was watching the game last night and saw the hit on Lebda.... As it appeared to me that Clutterbuck had NO intent to play the puck at all and his only intention was to run Lebda. Why was there be no penalty call?, and what would you have called if you were wearing stripes in last nights game? I think I would of called a 4 minute (double) minor for charging. No intent to play the puck, striding in HARD from center ice to make the hit. That' s worth 4 in the bin to me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) Stand by to be called a homer throughout this thread. Honestly I'd have to see it again, it looked pretty shady the first time but I really can't remember. esteef Edited February 13, 2009 by esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luvmnger 125 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 ken and mick called it a run at lebda....it looked pretty obvious to me too. clutterbuck was pissed lebda tossed him earlier in the period. clutterbuck also took a run at dats as he went to the bench...dats saw him and got his elbow up and dropped clutterbuck. after that he seemed to calm down and focus on his game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 Stand by to be called a homer throughout this thread. Honestly I'd have to see it again, it looked pretty shady the first time but I really can't remember. esteef Oh Well I just want thoughts I thought it was a dirty hit from center ice. clearly a pay back hit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 I am actually OK with no penalty being called. It was just unfortunate Lebda was in a position to get injured on the play. They call enough crap in hockey games. I don't even know what they could have called on Clutterbuck, maybe interference or charging at best. Lebda's hit on Clutterbuck was nice, but that could have just as easily been called interference as well. IMO, it turned out to be two fair non-calls in both directions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) I am actually OK with no penalty being called. It was just unfortunate Lebda was in a position to get injured on the play. They call enough crap in hockey games. I don't even know what they could have called on Clutterbuck, maybe interference or charging at best. Lebda's hit on Clutterbuck was nice, but that could have just as easily been called interference as well. IMO, it turned out to be two fair non-calls in both directions. i understand what you are saying but i think the problem was he came from center ice skating full speed with only one thing in mind and that was to hit lebda. didn't even try to go for the puck. at least lebs hit on him was a hip check and he just touched the puck. am i wrong but i thought that "Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A "Charge" may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice. A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner. When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed, and an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100). A minor, major or a major and a game misconduct shall be imposed on a player who charges a goalkeeper while the goalkeeper is within his goal crease. " Edited February 13, 2009 by hillbillywingsfan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hokeychik22 17 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 i agree with what a couple other people are saying it was a Clutterbuc was paying Brett back for the hit he made to him. I just hope he isn't out ot injured badly. Anyone have any word on this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 found this Quote on Mlive Lebda was checked into the glass behind the Detroit net by Minnesota's Cal Clutterbuck early in the second period. "He tried to duck to get out of the way and the guy's knee went into his back, so he's all spasmed up and in big pain," coach Mike Babcock said. "We'll just see how it goes day-to-day here." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 THis was with it Already missing three regulars from the lineup, they lost another player Thursday when defenseman Brett Lebda hurt his back early in the second period. He won't play in tonight's game at Columbus. Derek Meech, who has missed six games with a groin injury, will return to the lineup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hokeychik22 17 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 Speedy Recovery to Brett!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 I thought the hit was pretty dirty, if Lebda didn't avoid it then it may have been worse. Clutterbuck took far too many strides for it not to be at least a charge. He came speeding from center ice, never once intending to play the puck. I think its 3 strides on a vulnerable opponent is the standard for a charge. Of course last years finals, apparently a stride and a half is a charge if you hit a Penguin doing it, so who knows... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wombat 26 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 Lebda should have gotten 2 for interference earlier, and Clutterbuck should have gotten 2 for a charge. I guess it's a wash... but I just wish a Wing player would have stood up to Clutterbuck to show that you can't do that to this team. "The PP is our enforcer" doesn't hold water when the game isn't close and I'm worried that someone is going to get run hardcore late in a game when the outcome is not in doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted February 13, 2009 I thought it was great and I like players like Clutterbuck, this would be a better league with more of him. "If you are going to hit me, keep your head on a swivel" is a good mantra to play with. I think it's hilarious that we have so many LGWers complaining everytime a Wing gets a bruise from a big meanie on the ice, yet they don't demmand that Gordie Howe's number be taken down from the rafters at the Joe in disgrace. That dude spent 25 years elbowing and buttending people in the teeth if they dared lay a clean hit on him. Was Gordie a shameful hockey player, or do you feel that morality is dictated by decade? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 Because that last name is punishment enough!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feldmarschall 9 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) Should've been a charge based on how many strides Clutterbuck took. Watching the TSN clip, he definitely took more than he should have to deliver a healthy hit. He accelerates from just inside the blue line to almost the edge of the crease and then coasts into Lebda with all that momentum. Excessive. That may be his role on the team (and the only thing keeping him employed at the NHL level) but that was a bit over the top. Here's hoping Brett recovers quickly. Edited February 13, 2009 by Feldmarschall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 I thought it was great and I like players like Clutterbuck, this would be a better league with more of him. "If you are going to hit me, keep your head on a swivel" is a good mantra to play with. I think it's hilarious that we have so many LGWers complaining everytime a Wing gets a bruise from a big meanie on the ice, yet they don't demmand that Gordie Howe's number be taken down from the rafters at the Joe in disgrace. That dude spent 25 years elbowing and buttending people in the teeth if they dared lay a clean hit on him. Was Gordie a shameful hockey player, or do you feel that morality is dictated by decade? yeah lets talk about totally 2 different nhl's. what sucks is people like you that cross over the rules like this a clear charge to try and make people laugh with your wit. per the rules of a charge it was a bad hit and it hurt one of our players. if thats a bad thing that fans of this team are upset about then explain to me the definition of a fan then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
selkie 10 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 Because that last name is punishment enough!! He's probably okay with it, but talk about an announcer's nightmare when it comes to ways it could be easily accidentally mispronounced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted February 13, 2009 Obviously it should have been a penalty. Clutterbuck has been well known to take dirty hits -- recently one boarding hit on Alex Burrows, and is a ****** and fights with a visor on. However, Lebda also has a tendency to make himself prone to hits like this too. I distinctly remember his head being down once and getting absolutely trainwrecked by someone a couple seasons back (think it was Drake). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted February 13, 2009 yeah lets talk about totally 2 different nhl's. what sucks is people like you that cross over the rules like this a clear charge to try and make people laugh with your wit. per the rules of a charge it was a bad hit and it hurt one of our players. if thats a bad thing that fans of this team are upset about then explain to me the definition of a fan then. I think maybe you responded to my post on accident. There was no attempt made at humor. The NHL has changed over the years some, sure - but elbowing and buttends were not legal in Howe's day anymore than they are today. Either he and Clutterbuck are no-good dirty players, or they way they play the game is fine and dandy. Which is it? Retaliating for a clean hit by breaking the rules is NOT something new. Howe made a career of it and we smile and honor him. People play with 10% of Howe's tenacity and mean streak against the dainty Wings and some Wings fans get all upset and demand penalties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 However, Lebda also has a tendency to make himself prone to hits like this too. I distinctly remember his head being down once and getting absolutely trainwrecked by someone a couple seasons back (think it was Drake). It was. Drake got 2 games for jumping into the check. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 I was watching the game last night and saw the hit on Lebda.... As it appeared to me that Clutterbuck had NO intent to play the puck at all and his only intention was to run Lebda. Why was there be no penalty call?, and what would you have called if you were wearing stripes in last nights game? I think I would of called a 4 minute (double) minor for charging. No intent to play the puck, striding in HARD from center ice to make the hit. That' s worth 4 in the bin to me! Agreed. Is it too late to hope for a suspension of ANY kind? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerman191 37 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 If you can't distinguish between the two eras yourself enough to see the difference then none of us has any business arguing with you, micah. Anyways, what Clutterbuck did was definitely consistent with the definition of a charge. The guy saw the opportunity from a mile away, put his foot on the gas, and didn't let up. That sort of thing is dangerous. Say Lebda turns his back to Clutterbuck, for example. He can't possibly slow down in time, and he has no chance of moving out of the way. Hits like that have no place in the modern-day NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) I think maybe you responded to my post on accident. There was no attempt made at humor. The NHL has changed over the years some, sure - but elbowing and buttends were not legal in Howe's day anymore than they are today. Either he and Clutterbuck are no-good dirty players, or they way they play the game is fine and dandy. Which is it? Retaliating for a clean hit by breaking the rules is NOT something new. Howe made a career of it and we smile and honor him. People play with 10% of Howe's tenacity and mean streak against the dainty Wings and some Wings fans get all upset and demand penalties. lol at this guy... why are you posting here ....and comparing clusterbuck to howe is also laughable, tell me thats a joke... Edited February 13, 2009 by hooon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hosehead9 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2009 I was watching the game last night and saw the hit on Lebda.... As it appeared to me that Clutterbuck had NO intent to play the puck at all and his only intention was to run Lebda. Why was there be no penalty call?, and what would you have called if you were wearing stripes in last nights game? I think I would of called a 4 minute (double) minor for charging. No intent to play the puck, striding in HARD from center ice to make the hit. That' s worth 4 in the bin to me! Clutterbuck is starting to get a rep as a hard/dirty hitter. It looked like charging to me. I love to see guys finish checks. don't get me wrong. However, Clutterbuck seems to be crossing the line a lot theses days. I have noticed a lot of talk around the NHL about his style. All I have to say is that he continues to take runs at guys and leave his feet (which he did a few times against the Wings), he better drop the gloves when the time comes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted February 13, 2009 lol at this guy... why are you posting here ....and comparing clusterbuck to howe is also laughable, tell me thats a joke... I'm posting here because I'm a rabid Red Wings fan, have been since the early 1980s:) You seem to be having a hard time with this, I'll help you out. I compared Clutterbuck's feistiness and tendancy to retaliate for clean hits to Howe's, nothing else. Please tell me exactly why you think that is so bad. No doubt Howe was a very skilled player, one of the most skilled ever - does that excuuse him for breaking the rules and cheapshotting players? Are cheapshots somehow less moral today than they were in 1965? Please explain, as I really don't get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
