ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 title says it all, I looked at nhl.com and couldn't find it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spyder 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 They only person they probably keep track of is pavel datsyuk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 lol well I remember reading the stats but I need to find the site I'm kind of arguing with someone about it so they want proof here is the arguement http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?spo...2139&tsn=61 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeinred 1,488 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 It used to be on the NHL.com stats section under RTSS, but they don't seem to have that there anymore. On certain players' profiles there though, in the notes section it will say how many takeaways they have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 Don't know how accurate this is since they adjust for "stingy" cities in giveaways/takeaways http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/200809/playertakeaway.php Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) thanks, if anyone else can think of additional statements to help my debate much appreciated; I'm kind of lazy right now. what do you mean they adjust for stingy cities? Edited February 18, 2009 by ben_usmc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeinred 1,488 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 thanks, if anyone else can think of additional statements to help my debate much appreciated; I'm kind of lazy right now. what do you mean they adjust for stingy cities? There's no real standard for giveaways and takeaways, and they're kept by the home team I think. So what's a takeaway in one city might not be in another. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/statistics_offense_leaders they've got it here. It's "TA". Datsyuk has just 34 giveaways compares to 66 takeaways, pretty impressive. Edited February 18, 2009 by Dano33 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 Its still on NHL.com. Go to stats, individual, and then on the right hand side theres a drop-down menu that says "summary". Choose the one that says "HITS-players" and it lists hits, takeaways, giveaways, blocked shots, missed shots, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seeinred 1,488 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 Its still on NHL.com. Go to stats, individual, and then on the right hand side theres a drop-down menu that says "summary". Choose the one that says "HITS-players" and it lists hits, takeaways, giveaways, blocked shots, missed shots, etc. Ahhh, nice. And I thought i had checked every last nook of the stats area the other day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 And if you want to sort by any stat, just click on the heading of that column; in this case "TkA". Only 4 behind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 They only person they probably keep track of is pavel datsyuk. http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/statistics_offense_leaders they've got it here. It's "TA". Datsyuk has just 34 giveaways compares to 66 takeaways, pretty impressive. ok I haven't watch a ton of Pens games so I could be wrong, but how the hell does Malkin have as many takeaways and hits as Datsyuk? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 ok I haven't watch a ton of Pens games so I could be wrong, but how the hell does Malkin have as many takeaways and hits as Datsyuk? Because Malkin is an exceptional hockey player. Far better than he gets credit for, in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 no doubt but still that is pretty shocking, I have heard that his D is much improved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2193548/Wh...statistics.html All the takeaway statistics you could want Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 Because Malkin is an exceptional hockey player. Far better than he gets credit for, in my opinion. Indeed. But then you look at his giveaways and see what his GA:TA ratio is, and realize that the Force is strong with him, but he is not a Datsyuk yet. (Also, in before the "he gets more icetime") Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 no doubt but still that is pretty shocking, I have heard that his D is much improved. Well, there is a lot more to playing D than just takeaways. For example Zetterberg generally has less takeaways than Datsyuk, but I still think Z is the better player defensively (not by very much, but still). Malkin is a very dynamic player though.. he can be very physical, ferocious on the forecheck and of course he has a lot of other talents. Easily the superiour player between him and Crosby. I still think he has a long way to go before he could be considered a good two-way forward though.. watching him play on the point during the Pens PP's is laughable sometimes.. so many giveaways that lead to breakaways or 2-on-1's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 Indeed. But then you look at his giveaways and see what his GA:TA ratio is, and realize that the Force is strong with him, but he is not a Datsyuk yet. (Also, in before the "he gets more icetime") He's got some tweaking to do with his game.. but the amount of potential he has to be a Datsyuk amazes me. Give him a couple more years and I think we're all going to be impressed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sureWhyNot 19 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 I didn't have time to read all the responses so if you already got an answer I apologize. If not, then here ya go: Takeaways (TkA), Giveaways (GvA), Missed Shots (MsS), Blocked Shots (BkS), and much more fun stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) Unfortunately the takeaway and giveaway stats are probably the most unreliable stats in the NHL - as has been noted, it is tallied by each home team, and can differ from arena to arena. For instane, I don't think there has been a single game where Datsyuk, in my eyes, does not have at least two clean takeaways, and sometimes I see him do it 3 or 4 times. Yet, according to his stats, he is averaging barely more than one a game. Last year he was given credit for twice as many - and I certainly have not seen a noticeable dropoff in his takeaways between this year and last - certainly not a 40% drop. Malkin, meanwhile, has received credit for 40% more takeaways than last year. Edited February 18, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taylorov 37 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 More icetime and plays in teh East. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
