Claude Lemieux just turtled AGAIN

[FLWINGSFAN4013 5]

pavel could break claude's ankles with a little dangle dangle....

[xBrave_Heartx 0]

Fighting with a visor? Check

Turtling from a middleweight? Check

Claude must be back.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Umm, did you miss the game where Claude dropped his gloves with our enforcer and fought him very well? When he's not getting jumped, Claude can hold his own. When McCarty decided to fight him fair instead of jumping him, he barely eeked out the victory. A team's enforcer should always mop the floor with another team's pest, especially a pest who doesn't fight often. Mac didn't, because Mac couldn't. That fight showed the world why Mac jumped Claude the first time - apparently it was because cheap tactics and sucker punches are the only way Mac could get a decisive win against CL. Personally I wouldn't have advertised that if I were Mac, but whatever:)

Mac could and he did. Claude hit Kris Draper from behind, and he needed to be punished for it. McCarty beat the s*** out of him. Whether or not Claude was ready doesn't matter. He should have expected it with McCarty on the ice. His s*** was clocked.

[Hank 0]

Why, what's going to happen on the 25th?

I don't really think anyone who supports this current Red Wings' team has any business laughing at anything regarding a fight. An old, washed up Claude Lemieux could literally kick our entire roster's ass (maybe not Lilja, he might be able to tie his arms up and tackle him). And that's not even a joke. We're that pathetic.

It's hard to argue this.

And while Lemieux has turtled on more than one occasion he's also chucked knuckles with some very tough customers and come out on the winning side.

In his 2nd bout with McCarty after the 'incident' he got the best of Mac.

The guy knows how to fight. But you have to remember that his worth is at pestering. Most of the time there's a reason why he does what he does.

I love my Wings but at least C.L. WILL drop the gloves now and then. Maltby, in his prime, was one of the biggest a'hole pests around but wouldn't drop his gloves if there were 150lb of steal in either of them.

[Hank 0]

Here's a fight from a few years back where C.L. dropped the gloves with Derian Hatcher:

Hatcher gets the best of him, but Claude at least dropped the mitts.

You can find Lemiuex fights across Youtube and most of them he loses, but at least he's fighting.

There's even one where he goes Darren Kimble from the Nordiques. For those that don't remember him, he was one of the toughest guys in the league. He fought Probie, Coxe, etc.

For Claude to drop his gloves with a guy like that takes courage. And it's something you would never see from any of the current Wings we have right now.

Can anyone here see Maltby, Homer or Sammy dropping the gloves with Chris Neil? Never in a million years. I doubt Maltby or Sammy would drop the gloves with Crosby.

As a matter of fact, Sid requested that Sammy go him in their last game but Sammy didn't want any part of it. If Sammy was smart he would have fought him to get him off the ice for the next 5 minutes. But Sammy knows he'd get his ass handed to him so he didn't oblige. Lemieux knows he's probably going to lose most of his fights but he does it anyway. You have to give him credit for that at least.

Edited February 18, 2009 by Hank

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

Management included this clause in his contract:

"Should you get blood on the front of your jersey, you have to pay for the dry cleaning".

[Guest micah]

Hatcher gets the best of him, but Claude at least dropped the mitts.

You can find Lemiuex fights across Youtube and most of them he loses, but at least he's fighting.

There's even one where he goes Darren Kimble from the Nordiques. For those that don't remember him, he was one of the toughest guys in the league. He fought Probie, Coxe, etc.

For Claude to drop his gloves with a guy like that takes courage. And it's something you would never see from any of the current Wings we have right now.

Yup. I hate Claude Lemieux. Claude was however a great player, a tough cookie, and had balls of steel. agitators do not typically fight Kimbles and Mccarty's - he did and for that I give him bigtime props.

Can anyone here see Maltby, Homer or Sammy dropping the gloves with Chris Neil? Never in a million years. I doubt Maltby or Sammy would drop the gloves with Crosby.

As a matter of fact, Sid requested that Sammy go him in their last game but Sammy didn't want any part of it. If Sammy was smart he would have fought him to get him off the ice for the next 5 minutes. But Sammy knows he'd get his ass handed to him so he didn't oblige. Lemieux knows he's probably going to lose most of his fights but he does it anyway. You have to give him credit for that at least.

Right-on again. Fighting Crosby would have been the most significant thing that Sammy has ever done as a Red Wing - but he didn't - not because he's better than that, but because he is a *****. He's a Maltby. All talk, zero balls. I don't expect every player to fight all the time - but if you are too much of a coward to fight, shut your ***** mouth. It's embarassing.

I get the Claude hate - it's well founded after the Draper incident - but the "turtle" garbage is just that, garbage. He isn't gutless, he's fought plenty of tough guys and done pretty well when he wasn't getting jumped. Mac blindsided him in their first fight, punching him in the side of the grape, knockinig him down when he wasn't looking. should he have been more aware? sure. Is it his fault that he "turtled" and didn't leap back to his feet exposing himself to further penches from a supposed league heaveyweight? Of course not. Claude Lemieux proved exactly how tough Darren McCarty was the next time they fought. There's a reason why the Wings stopped going after Lemieux after that incident - it's because they didn't have anyone (including Mac) who could win in an honest fight with him. It wasn't that Claude wasn't willing - he proved that he was willing in his 2nd go with Mac - it was that the Wings were unable.

There's a reason draper never manned up and stuck up for himself against Lemieux - it's that he knows what a broken jaw feels like and he didn't want another one.

Edited February 18, 2009 by micah

[jvxp 0]

Mac could and he did. Claude hit Kris Draper from behind, and he needed to be punished for it. McCarty beat the s*** out of him. Whether or not Claude was ready doesn't matter. He should have expected it with McCarty on the ice. His s*** was clocked.

Right on!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap:

[VM1138 1,921]

Why, what's going to happen on the 25th?

I don't really think anyone who supports this current Red Wings' team has any business laughing at anything regarding a fight. An old, washed up Claude Lemieux could literally kick our entire roster's ass (maybe not Lilja, he might be able to tie his arms up and tackle him). And that's not even a joke. We're that pathetic.

Don't forget, Rafalski would body slam him or something. Seriously, for a guy who never fights, Raffy's got some moves when the scrums get serious.

[NomadFromKazoo 42]

Umm, did you miss the game where Claude dropped his gloves with our enforcer and fought him very well? When he's not getting jumped, Claude can hold his own. When McCarty decided to fight him fair instead of jumping him, he barely eeked out the victory. A team's enforcer should always mop the floor with another team's pest, especially a pest who doesn't fight often. Mac didn't, because Mac couldn't. That fight showed the world why Mac jumped Claude the first time - apparently it was because cheap tactics and sucker punches are the only way Mac could get a decisive win against CL. Personally I wouldn't have advertised that if I were Mac, but whatever:)

Jumping people being Lemieux's specialty. But I see now, if Lemieux EVER fought anyone, that means my pointing out his having cowered from them is an "umm," even when my example was people skating up to him, not jumping him. Got it. I've been learned, thanks! Anyway, good defense of the scum bucket, your parents must be proud.

[EuroTwin 240]

OH MY GOD.

What the f***? I must be in some kind of Twilight Zone LGW forum .... because... I think... I think I just read an ENTIRE THREAD that is mostly praising CLAUDE ******* LEMIEUX and talking s*** about THE DETROIT RED WINGS.

I need a ******* drink.

[Hank 0]

OH MY GOD.

What the f***? I must be in some kind of Twilight Zone LGW forum .... because... I think... I think I just read an ENTIRE THREAD that is mostly praising CLAUDE ******* LEMIEUX and talking s*** about THE DETROIT RED WINGS.

I need a ******* drink.

LOL! I know what you're saying. But as an NHL fan and a fan of hockey, I have to give props where it's due and call out hypocrisy when I see it.

To the LGW community, did we forget how much Chris Chelios was hated in this town? The same guy that would challenge Steve Yzerman to fights (and Stevie did fight C.C. at least once) but then cower when guys like Probie, Kocur or Gallant called him to task?

And now who's loved in Detroit?

It's the same with Lemieux. In his prime, I'd take him any day of the week. Hell, I'd drop Kopecky right now for Claude.

Is he an a'hole? YUP!

Has he turtled in the past? YUP!

But is he a winner? YUP!

Will he drop the gloves? YUP!

Does he know what it takes to win? HELL YES!

If this guy was a Wing he'd be loved. Just like Malbty is/was loved. And that's a Maltby that ran and hid anytime someone wanted to fight him. How is that any different than turtling?

[P. Marlowe 748]

Don't ever again call Red Wings or any of their members pathetic or embarassing or I will make you turtle with heavy verbal abuse.

[hamip1998 3]

Yup. I hate Claude Lemieux. Claude was however a great player, a tough cookie, and had balls of steel. agitators do not typically fight Kimbles and Mccarty's - he did and for that I give him bigtime props.

Claude Lemieux proved exactly how tough Darren McCarty was the next time they fought. There's a reason why the Wings stopped going after Lemieux after that incident - it's because they didn't have anyone (including Mac) who could win in an honest fight with him. It wasn't that Claude wasn't willing - he proved that he was willing in his 2nd go with Mac - it was that the Wings were unable.

While not an enforcer by any means, I'll bet Shanny in his prime could have done fairly well against CL. He did fight some guys, with some measure of success, that he probably had no business going with (Brashear for one).

[CrossCheck24 2]

If this guy was a Wing he'd be loved. Just like Malbty is/was loved. And that's a Maltby that ran and hid anytime someone wanted to fight him. How is that any different than turtling?

Thats an insult, the guy wouldn't even apologize for hurting Draper. Maltby has taken many punches to the face but never retaliates, and just lets the opposing player take a penalty for it. That is smart. Turtling is letting everyone on the ice know that the opposing player has beaten you until you can no longer coherently defend yourself. Sweet morale boost for your team...

But is he a winner? YUP!

Will he drop the gloves? YUP!

Does he know what it takes to win? HELL YES!

How does his jock smell?

Remember when he high sticked a guy who could barely skate on a TV show? Real winners do that...

Too bad they took the video off of youtube, probably because SPIKE was too embarrassed by it

This is as close as I can get to the video:

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forums/msu-...-lemiux-sp.html

[SDavis35 140]

that wasn't something new...

just a couple of thoughts about San Jose in general.

I watched a lot of San Jose games this year, especially, recently. From my point of view, there is something wrong with this team. They act on the ice like they always have something to prove. They are a good team, no doubt about that, but the way they handle themselves on the ice is a bit strange. Looks like they always look for some scrum, fight, whatever and they do that with some kind of hysteria - all their players on the ice get immediately engaged in those little battles with a lot of energy. And those repeated things "we're the best in the league" (remeber Thornton screamed that when Setogucci was interviewed during the game and occasionally said that Red Wings are the best). This reminds me a kind of a child that tries to be older than he is. Am I the only one who notices these things?

PS Sorry for my English... still hope you get the point.

imo, Lemieux has been hurting them. It could be tied into being tired or something, but since Lemieux showed up, the Sharks have not been the team they used to be. I always felt Claude would slow them down, and looks like it may be coming true.

[esteef 2,679]

Right-on again. Fighting Crosby would have been the most significant thing that Sammy has ever done as a Red Wing - but he didn't - not because he's better than that, but because he is a *****. He's a Maltby. All talk, zero balls. I don't expect every player to fight all the time - but if you are too much of a coward to fight, shut your ***** mouth. It's embarassing.

I agree with most of your comments in this thread but c'mon, I seriously doubt Sammy was too scared to drop 'em with Crosby. If I remember correctly Sammy was all up in Crosby's face (as usual) trying to get him to drop 'em. The score was close so nobody was really going to fight, they were just trying to draw a penalty. Sammy acts like a puss yes, and agitates and pushes and shoves and facewashes after the whistle with the best of them without dropping the gloves. I just don't think he's scared of Crosby, or a player like Crosby (non-fighter).

carry on,

esteef

[skacore 2]

What a retarded post. Are you really that stupid or just a Wing hating Leaf's fan? Either way, you have no knowledge of the past because even in the day the fem Lemieux would only fight smaller Wings. An announcer pointed that out once that Lemieux would stake towards smaller Wings and if anyone remotely his size skated towards him he "skated away." And that our team doesn't play dirty means they are whusses is the sort of thing I expect from you losers from Toronto who can fight, the dirtier the better, and can't play hockey.

You're too easy. First of all, calm down. You are clearly the one with no knowledge of the past. Lemieux goes after smaller Wings because he's one of the greatest agitators ever, he's also proven he can handle himself with bigger guy if necessary. We aren't wussies because we don't play dirty, we're wussies because we actually are. We win games and that's great, but if you cannot acknowledge that this is basically Team Europe representing Detroit, you're kidding yourself. I'm not sure what you have against me being from Toronto, did you have a bad experience here or something? As for not being able to play hockey, chances are you couldn't hold my jock.

[NomadFromKazoo 42]

LOL! I know what you're saying. But as an NHL fan and a fan of hockey, I have to give props where it's due and call out hypocrisy when I see it.

To the LGW community, did we forget how much Chris Chelios was hated in this town? The same guy that would challenge Steve Yzerman to fights (and Stevie did fight C.C. at least once) but then cower when guys like Probie, Kocur or Gallant called him to task?

And now who's loved in Detroit?

It's the same with Lemieux. In his prime, I'd take him any day of the week. Hell, I'd drop Kopecky right now for Claude.

Is he an a'hole? YUP!

Has he turtled in the past? YUP!

But is he a winner? YUP!

Will he drop the gloves? YUP!

Does he know what it takes to win? HELL YES!

If this guy was a Wing he'd be loved. Just like Malbty is/was loved. And that's a Maltby that ran and hid anytime someone wanted to fight him. How is that any different than turtling?

Chelios was an agitator, Claude was dirty. Chelios was relentless, Claude was a thug. Chelios got in your head, Claude tried to take it off from behind. Hypocrisy BS, you're full of it. Yes, it was very hard to get used to Cheli in the beginning. No true Wings fan old enough to remember the scum bucket of a human being going by the name Claude Lemieux would EVER accept him as a Detroit Red Wing. And you want him on our roster? I hope you're 12 and just don't know any better.

[skacore 2]

Lilja would destroy him, Downey would have a field day.

Lilja's never destroyed anyone in his career, he'd be able to tie up his arms and probably just tackle him to the ice. Downey is nowhere to be found.

I'm not trying to be a dick but I'm just being rational. Claude Lemieux is currently playing in the NHL and let's just say for fun (not really fun) that something did happen in a game where Lemieux mangled someone's face again. Nothing would happen to him, and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

[skacore 2]

Chelios was an agitator, Claude was dirty. Chelios was relentless, Claude was a thug. Chelios got in your head, Claude tried to take it off from behind. Hypocrisy BS, you're full of it. Yes, it was very hard to get used to Cheli in the beginning. No true Wings fan old enough to remember the scum bucket of a human being going by the name Claude Lemieux would EVER accept him as a Detroit Red Wing. And you want him on our roster? I hope you're 12 and just don't know any better.

Chris Chelios was hands down one of the dirtiest players in the league, no different from Claude Lemieux. Stop calling people young and uneducated because your posts suggest you might be the 2000 version of a Red Wings' fan.

[NomadFromKazoo 42]

You're too easy. First of all, calm down. You are clearly the one with no knowledge of the past. Lemieux goes after smaller Wings because he's one of the greatest agitators ever, he's also proven he can handle himself with bigger guy if necessary. We aren't wussies because we don't play dirty, we're wussies because we actually are. We win games and that's great, but if you cannot acknowledge that this is basically Team Europe representing Detroit, you're kidding yourself. I'm not sure what you have against me being from Toronto, did you have a bad experience here or something? As for not being able to play hockey, chances are you couldn't hold my jock.

Um...how exactly do you know what my mood is? Stop crying Nancy. Funny how you're saying the Wings wear dresses and proving that you do since you're the one who needs to discuss our "mood" in the discussion. How do you FEEL about that, Kaz? I don't care how you "feel" so why do you care what I do, my dear?

If it's not the Leaf's, what team do you follow anyway? I guess with all the Wings jerseys everywhere we play we're bound to pick up contentless wannabes who's friend is anyone who's our enemy and look for any opportunity to bash us. OK, you got it, our team are a bunch of girls, who won 4 of the last 12 Stanley Cups. Hockey players in dresses who could be beaten up by the wives of the other teams players. You go ahead and believe that, I bet we have a lot bigger chance of hosting our FIFTH cup in 13 years then your team has of hoisting their first or you wouldn't be here living just by backing our enemies. A team of pansies who can't defend themselves but win Cup after Cup, how do you "feel" about reality?

[servo 15]

It would be great if the NHL had a players swap for a day program so we could have Peckham suite up for the 25th!

[skacore 2]

Um...how exactly do you know what my mood is? Stop crying Nancy. Funny how you're saying the Wings wear dresses and proving that you do since you're the one who needs to discuss our "mood" in the discussion. How do you FEEL about that, Kaz? I don't care how you "feel" so why do you care what I do, my dear?

If it's not the Leaf's, what team do you follow anyway? I guess with all the Wings jerseys everywhere we play we're bound to pick up contentless wannabes who's friend is anyone who's our enemy and look for any opportunity to bash us. OK, you got it, our team are a bunch of girls, who won 4 of the last 12 Stanley Cups. Hockey players in dresses who could be beaten up by the wives of the other teams players. You go ahead and believe that, I bet we have a lot bigger chance of hosting our FIFTH cup in 13 years then your team has of hoisting their first or you wouldn't be here living just by backing our enemies. A team of pansies who can't defend themselves but win Cup after Cup, how do you "feel" about reality?

You're pretty looney, you must be on the back 9 or something. Anyways, it's been said before but this team has never won the Cup without a tough guy in the line up and some sandpaper on our bottom 6. We have no tough guy. We have no sandpaper. I'm a Red Wings' fan, but do not support this team this year. You may say you do, a lot of people on here say they do, but why is attendance so shotty and the crowd is sleeping every game? We're an embarrassment to the old school warriors who help mold this game into what it is. If every team in the NHL was like our team, the NHL would die out, I swear to god. Anyways, no one is really going to realize this until the team doesn't win the cup, because until then we are the "current champions", so I guess there's really nothing else to do now but wait.

[esteef 2,679]

You're pretty looney, you must be on the back 9 or something. Anyways, it's been said before but this team has never won the Cup without a tough guy in the line up and some sandpaper on our bottom 6. We have no tough guy. We have no sandpaper. I'm a Red Wings' fan, but do not support this team this year. You may say you do, a lot of people on here say they do, but why is attendance so shotty and the crowd is sleeping every game? We're an embarrassment to the old school warriors who help mold this game into what it is. If every team in the NHL was like our team, the NHL would die out, I swear to god. Anyways, no one is really going to realize this until the team doesn't win the cup, because until then we are the "current champions", so I guess there's really nothing else to do now but wait.

I hear you loud and clear. We may be current champs, but we haven't won the Cup every year, and the year's we didn't weren't because some team "outskilled" us.

esteef