Mike Green scores......AGAIN!

[Guest Shoreline]

That's strange.. here's just one example (since I won't do the reading for you):

Edmonton Journal:

A Green shift in Norris Trophy voting?

Personally, I think you have to knock the heavyweight champ out to get his crown, but there's also a feeling the voters would like to give it to somebody new. Green might score 30 goals in Washington. He'll likely get 70 points. And he's only played 60 games. I think he can win it.

If that ain't a show of confidence in Green being a frontrunner candidate, I dunno what is. Difference is, I'm not a journalist and can stick my neck out for someone.

Of course, you're readily dismissing things based on your own logic but then again you don't have a vote, nor would you sway the vote. These people would.

Edited March 28, 2009 by Shoreline

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I like where I stand in this argument, and I like how poorly you make yours, so no deal.

Oh I'm right. And your willful ignorance can't change that. This is your pathetic denial of global warming all over again.

And once again I'll be the adult and walk away from your childishness. No need to bother responding because I won't be reading it and you've already made an ass of yourself in front of everyone (again).

[Doc Holiday 0]

That's strange.. here's just one example (since I won't do the reading for you):

Edmonton Journal:

If that ain't a show of confidence in Green being a frontrunner candidate, I dunno what is. Difference is, I'm not a journalist and can stick my neck out for someone.

Of course, you're readily dismissing things based on your own logic but then again you don't have a vote, nor would you sway the vote. These people would.

What a stretch.

What a ******* stretch to attempt to prove that somehow Green is the clear cut #1.

Stop with your rhetoric already. It's not working.

Obviously you won't even bother understanding my point because you seem to believe that if I don't think Green is the frontrunner I don't think Green has a shot.

I SAID THAT THE NORRIS IS NOT GREEN'S TO LOSE. NONE OF THOSE ARTICLES PICK GREEN AS THE CLEAR CUT FAVORITE TO WIN IT OVER LIDSTROM OR CHARA. NOT ONE. ALL YOU HAVE IS A LARGE QUANTITY OF QUOTES TALKING GREEN UP AND TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT GREEN HAS A GOOD SHOT TO WIN. THAT IS NOT SOMEONE SAYING GREEN IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN.

[Guest Shoreline]

Oh I'm right. And your willful ignorance can't change that. This is your pathetic denial of global warming all over again.

And once again I'll be the adult and walk away from your childishness. No need to bother responding because I won't be reading it and you've already made an ass of yourself in front of everyone (again).

Here you are, making a post about nothing yet again. Walking away my ass.

What a stretch.

What a ******* stretch to attempt to prove that somehow Green is the clear cut #1.

Stop with your rhetoric already. It's not working.

Obviously you won't even bother understanding my point because you seem to believe that if I don't think Green is the frontrunner I don't think Green has a shot.

I SAID THAT THE NORRIS IS NOT GREEN'S TO LOSE. NONE OF THOSE ARTICLES PICK GREEN AS THE CLEAR CUT FAVORITE TO WIN IT OVER LIDSTROM OR CHARA. NOT ONE. ALL YOU HAVE IS A LARGE QUANTITY OF QUOTES TALKING GREEN UP AND TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT GREEN HAS A GOOD SHOT TO WIN. THAT IS NOT SOMEONE SAYING GREEN IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN.

You haven't even attempted to show me in these responses how Green isn't the clearcut favorite. Who is then, Chara? Lidstrom? Boyle? Campbell? Lebda? All I'm reading is: *closes ears and goes* LALALALALALA NOT GREEN. If it ain't Green that's the clear cut favorite to win it's someone else. And since you vehemently suggest it ain't Green, then you MUST know who it is. At least make your argument worth a damn now.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

I think Green's gaudy numbers will win the day, but "there is no clear cut front runner" strikes me as a perfectly valid argument.

[Rivalred 630]

Is the past, has the defensive player with the most points win typically?

Edited March 28, 2009 by Rivalred

[steveyzerman 0]

Green is is great - for fantasy hockey. He's not very good defensively.

Edited March 28, 2009 by steveyzerman

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I dunno how my name got dropped in the Shoreline vs Drake battle.

All I know is that I believe my analysis of the top 15 guys is pretty ******* spot on.

Furthermore, I believe that Green is undoubtedly going to be a finalist and my reasoning was that his defensive prowess (or lack thereof) will likely be washed out by his ridiculous offensive numbers.

Simply, you cannot suck ass defensively and win the Norris. HOWEVER, you can be arguably mediocre defensively in comparison to some of your peers, but if you blow their asses out of the water offensively with 30 goal, 70 point seasons, your chances of getting NOMINATED are pretty decent IMO.

His offensive numbers are so far ahead of the other contenders that it will be enough to "overlook" the defensive shortcomings and garner a nomination. But when it comes time to choose that winner out of 3 people, the shortcomings will be evident, and at that point, as I said earlier, it's Chara's to lose.

[Doc Holiday 0]

You haven't even attempted to show me in these responses how Green isn't the clearcut favorite. Who is then, Chara? Lidstrom? Boyle? Campbell? Lebda? All I'm reading is: *closes ears and goes* LALALALALALA NOT GREEN. If it ain't Green that's the clear cut favorite to win it's someone else. And since you vehemently suggest it ain't Green, then you MUST know who it is. At least make your argument worth a damn now.

1. Burden of proof is on you to prove Green is a favorite. You haven't. All you have proven is Green is the best offensive defenseman this season.

2. You talk about me making my argument worth a damn when yours isn't. Your argument is that if I can't pick a favorite then I must be wrong in my analysis of Green. Horrible logic. There does not have to be a clear cut favorite in voting for a particular trophy. Lidstrom and Chara have been neck and neck in my opinion, with Green at a close third.

Your attempts to twist the argument to help your case are duly noted. I already told you to stop with the rhetoric.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I dunno how my name got dropped in the Shoreline vs Drake battle.

All I know is that I believe my analysis of the top 15 guys is pretty ******* spot on.

Furthermore, I believe that Green is undoubtedly going to be a finalist and my reasoning was that his defensive prowess (or lack thereof) will likely be washed out by his ridiculous offensive numbers.

Simply, you cannot suck ass defensively and win the Norris. HOWEVER, you can be arguably mediocre defensively in comparison to some of your peers, but if you blow their asses out of the water offensively with 30 goal, 70 point seasons, your chances of getting NOMINATED are pretty decent IMO.

His offensive numbers are so far ahead of the other contenders that it will be enough to "overlook" the defensive shortcomings and garner a nomination. But when it comes time to choose that winner out of 3 people, the shortcomings will be evident, and at that point, as I said earlier, it's Chara's to lose.

I completely agree with you. Because I mentioned that I felt you analysis was thoughtful and thorough you were bound to get at least a shot off the bow given the nature of the person I was arguing with. For the record- my argument was identical to yours- that Green's poor defensive play is a significant strike against his chances of winning a trophy for the best defenseman. He's a guaranteed candidate, I'll be shocked if he doesn't make the top 3 in voting on the basis of his point producing ability... but as you've said, when he's forced to stand beside his peers and has both his offensive and defensive impact evaluated the crazy offensive numbers become less and less of a factor.

Although I'd argue that Lidstrom and Chara are much closer than we all fear they are since Chara's numbers have dropped off significantly over the second half of the season. Chara would probably have been better off if the Bruins had their super hot portion of the season in the second half. Chara and the Bruins' current struggles are definitely a boon for Lidstrom at this point. He just needs to heat up in time to make the doubters quiet. If Lidstrom can break 60 points he's got a great chance to take it all other things remaining the same. The odds of him putting 10 points up over the next 7 games aren't terribly good, but if anyone can do it it's Nicklas Lidstrom. Like you said- at this point it's Chara's to lose, I just think Nick has a decent chance to steal it back.

[eva unit zero 271]

I completely agree with you. Because I mentioned that I felt you analysis was thoughtful and thorough you were bound to get at least a shot off the bow given the nature of the person I was arguing with. For the record- my argument was identical to yours- that Green's poor defensive play is a significant strike against his chances of winning a trophy for the best defenseman. He's a guaranteed candidate, I'll be shocked if he doesn't make the top 3 in voting on the basis of his point producing ability... but as you've said, when he's forced to stand beside his peers and has both his offensive and defensive impact evaluated the crazy offensive numbers become less and less of a factor.

Although I'd argue that Lidstrom and Chara are much closer than we all fear they are since Chara's numbers have dropped off significantly over the second half of the season. Chara would probably have been better off if the Bruins had their super hot portion of the season in the second half. Chara and the Bruins' current struggles are definitely a boon for Lidstrom at this point. He just needs to heat up in time to make the doubters quiet. If Lidstrom can break 60 points he's got a great chance to take it all other things remaining the same. The odds of him putting 10 points up over the next 7 games aren't terribly good, but if anyone can do it it's Nicklas Lidstrom. Like you said- at this point it's Chara's to lose, I just think Nick has a decent chance to steal it back.

If Lidstrom manages to reach 60 points...he probably also manages +35. If he ends the season 60+ points and +35 or better...that's hard to say no to.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

If Lidstrom manages to reach 60 points...he probably also manages +35. If he ends the season 60+ points and +35 or better...that's hard to say no to.

Which is why I'm hoping against hope that he can scrape it together this season and push it just up to or a little past 60 pts. Like I said- that's not a huge stretch for Lidstrom, even given his reduced level of play this season... and hey- I'm really counting on that 7th Norris to further solidify his already sterling legacy.

[eva unit zero 271]

Which is why I'm hoping against hope that he can scrape it together this season and push it just up to or a little past 60 pts. Like I said- that's not a huge stretch for Lidstrom, even given his reduced level of play this season... and hey- I'm really counting on that 7th Norris to further solidify his already sterling legacy.

Anyone who's voting for Green right now is doing so because they want to give the Norris to someone new. Green is not a legit contender in real life. Chara and Lidstrom are the primary contenders, and Boyle and Weber are probably the guys who we should feel sorry for because one of them should be a Norris finalist instead of Green.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Anyone who's voting for Green right now is doing so because they want to give the Norris to someone new. Green is not a legit contender in real life. Chara and Lidstrom are the primary contenders, and Boyle and Weber are probably the guys who we should feel sorry for because one of them should be a Norris finalist instead of Green.

Agreed.

[steveyzerman 0]

Anyone who's voting for Green right now is doing so because they want to give the Norris to someone new. Green is not a legit contender in real life. Chara and Lidstrom are the primary contenders, and Boyle and Weber are probably the guys who we should feel sorry for because one of them should be a Norris finalist instead of Green.

CAAASH.

[Guest Shoreline]

Green hits 30 goals for the year tonight with 2 goals, makes first star, and helps the Caps clinch the Southeast division, as well as help solidify a #2 seed away from the Devils.

Edited April 2, 2009 by Shoreline

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Hahahaha.

As soon as he scored his first goal of the game and nailed that 2 point night down I had LGW opened to see how quickly Shoreline would pull the thread up from the depths.

I'm disappointed he waited until the game ended!

Bye bye undead thread. See you again Friday night!

[mjlegend 155]

Green hits 30 goals for the year tonight with 2 goals, makes first star, and helps the Caps clinch the Southeast division, as well as help solidify a #2 seed away from the Devils.

But I still wouldn't give him the Norris nod if I had a vote.

[ComradeWasabi 109]

Green is is great - for fantasy hockey. He's not very good defensively.

He is spectacular for my fantasy team. Haha.

[Guest Shoreline]

2 point night

Drake flying into the topic ready to kick ass..

Except, whoops.. can't seem to do his math:

[toby91_ca 620]

If you pro rated Green's stats assuming he didn't miss the 14 games he did miss, he have: 37 goals, 86 points, +34

[Drake_Marcus 890]

As soon as he scored his first goal of the game and nailed that 2 point night down I had LGW opened to see how quickly Shoreline would pull the thread up from the depths.

Drake flying into the topic ready to kick ass..

Except, whoops.. can't seem to do his math:

I can only assume you have what I should politely call a "learning disability".

I graduated first overall with a major in physics and minor in math, so I think I'm qualified to explain why I can "seem to do [my] math".

You see the "math" works like this:

A) 5:37 (2nd Period): Green gets 1st assist.

B) 10:55 (3rd Period): Green gets 1st goal. (total points: 2)

C) 12:18 (3rd Period): Green gets 2nd goal. (total points: 3)

When event B happened Mr. Green offically "scored his first goal of the game and nailed that 2 point night down".

Please point to where I stated that he ended the night with only 2 points?

Here's where the second hint pops up in that oh so difficult to understand sentence:

"I had LGW opened to see how quickly Shoreline would pull the thread up from the depths."

It appears that the first part of the sentence where I said "As soon as he scored his first goal of the game.." I was prefacing my choice to open LGW and look for your threadcromancy by explaining the moment in time when I decided you'd resurrect this thread.

Now please don't waste my and the rest of our time by forcing me to giving you a basic lesson in read comprehension. God only knows how you managed to misconstrue your struggles with reading as being a math mistake on my part.

Edit: fixed italics code.

Edited April 2, 2009 by Drake_Marcus

[Guest Shoreline]

threadcromancy

Your refusal to use English words makes me sad:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thr...mancy?qsrc=2888

No results found for threadcromancy:

If only he crossed his arms..

Edited April 2, 2009 by Shoreline

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Your refusal to use English words makes me sad:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thr...mancy?qsrc=2888

Hey now- threadcromancy is a perfectly cromulent word.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

If you pro rated Green's stats assuming he didn't miss the 14 games he did miss, he have: 37 goals, 86 points, +34

I admit, that's pretty outrageous. It's been a long time since we've seen numbers like that from a rearguard.