spydrwebb 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 FREE PRESS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alowicious 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) FREE PRESS "To be able to stay as a Red Wing, I am prepared to take less money, but a fair deal, so both sides are happy. That's what I'm looking for. I know if I go somewhere else, I could have more, but I'm willing to take less to stay here. Hopefully things work out." "I could be somewhere else, you know, but I came here because I like everything and I want to be a part of it," Hossa said. "And that's why I want to still be a Red Wing and stay here." Sounds good to me Hossa. Get it done, Kenny! Edited March 23, 2009 by alowicious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Well it just confirms that Hossa's threshold is lower for Detroit than what it is for any other team, but there's still a limit and I guess we just have to hope that the two parties can agree on a good figure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spinner 6 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Awesome!!! Work your magic Kenny. Looks like they're trying to figure a way to keep Franzen too. Does this mean Hudler has to go? I hope not, but how do we keep all 3? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Man, that must be a good locker room! Way to go, Hossa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Awesome news Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 How long will the league/players association allow this to keep happening. I mean trust me I am happy as all hell players will sacrifice 2 mil a year to be on the team I root for, I am not saying differently. HOWEVER: If you are a league hell bent on parity, and players year after year are willing to sacrifice to go to that team (Pats only had 2 guys sacrifice pay to go/stay there so they don't matchup with the Wings, and the Steelers have never been known for player relations) and that makes that team successful year after year. It is not like the C's were a couple of guys at the end of their careers decide to eat a few million for a championship. The Wings have Z, Lids, Dats, Ralf all at below market value, they have the potential to add Mule and/or Hossa for well below market value. The Wings reputation is circumventing the cap. Now if I am a player, personally, I value a championship way more than money (Like Hossa, Lids, Z, dats, Ralf, etc...) but if I am the league I don't like that (remember I am all for parity if I am the league) or a GM trying to build a team and I know before negotiations even start that I have to find away to compete with a team that a guy is willing to sacrifice 10's of millions over the lifetime of the deal, that is without a doubt being behind the 8 ball. I love it because I am a wings fan, but holy crap if they get this guy long term!!!!!!! Matt have the OMG its Hossa .jpg ready if Holland gets this done long term. BTW: I think it bares repeating, if Hossa signs long term he deserves just as much credit and love for buying into the team, as a guy like Z who has been here years and years, I am not saying that puts Hossa on the 'C' list, but it shows as much as Dats, Lids and Z he is buying into this team and the example set by one MR. Y! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotty99 302 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Every time i see a thread at the top of LGW with Hossa's name in it my heart skips a beat thinking its the "Hossa signs for x amount over x years" Really hope it works out for us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lovin Jiri Fischer 147 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Watch how next year the NHL tries to implement a new rule: "Teams are not allowed to have Hossa for more than 2 seasons until every team has had a fair chance to have him on their team. Penalty: Entire team suspended 82 games plus 25 years in prison." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Watch how next year the NHL tries to implement a new rule: "Teams are not allowed to have Hossa for more than 2 seasons until every team has had a fair chance to have him on their team. Penalty: Entire team suspended 82 games plus 25 years in prison." Unless Marian Hossa attends the All-Star festivities, then the Prison sentence is suspended!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 My favourite quote: We always seem to be able to lure good players here who want to stay here, because it's no fun regardless of what you're making to be on a bad team. There's no substitute for winning." Well said Ozzie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statiklullaby87 0 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 SharkGirl069 wrote: With the SHARKS great win over the Avalanche,they take their rightfull place on top of the standings of the NHL.The red winggys take their familiar 2nd place position.Fitting for a team of figure 8 Euro-skaters for it takes hard work and toughness to win the cup,not skating triple axles and turtle-ing under presure when chalenged.Go ahead and sign another of your many fan-dancing figure skaters while neglecting your goaltending position-AGAIN!!We will see how Hossa feels with a first round elimination..lol--THE DREAM TEAM SHARKS BACK ON TOP--THE ROAD TO THE STANLEY CUP GOES THRU/STOPS IN THE SHARK TANK PEACE-LOVE SHARKGIRL Lmfao...click on her name and read her other posts...this is what were up against haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted March 23, 2009 There's something about Detroit Red Wings... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 I actually wonder of Holland is going to sign anyone else before summer. It seems pretty clear that some guys are going to be gone, and if he starts signing people now it'll be pretty obvious who's not coming back. I realize they are all professionals, but I wonder how it would affect the lockerroom if some of our guys, whoever they might be, know they won't be back next year. Perhaps it would be better to deal with all of that after the playoffs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 The Wings have Z, Lids, Dats, Ralf all at below market value. I'm not so sure about that: Lidstrom - at $7.45 million a year, it's tough to argue that he's below market value when the only dman in the league that makes more is Chara, who makes $7.5 million. It probably is below market, but not much, especially when you are effectively making the most for a defenseman. Rafalski - when they signed him at $6 million, I was thinking that was a lot of money, he's probably worth it, but I'm not sure I'd say it's below market Datsyuk - when he signed his contract, he wasn't worth the money they signed him to. He's showing that he's worth more than his cap hit now, but that wasn't the case at the time he signed Zetterberg - his cap hit for his new contract may look low (maybe not so much when the cap goes down), but this is only due to the structure of the deal, the Wings are certainly taking a bit of a risk on him and I don't think there is really much of a discount, if any here. I think for the PA or league to get concerned, you'd have to see some hefty discounts taken. I'm not sure you'll see Hossa take a discount to the point people will start questionning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maltbymaniac 13 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 i said it b4 and will say it agian,we WILL re sign hossa. i knew it from the get go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 How long will the league/players association allow this to keep happening. I mean trust me I am happy as all hell players will sacrifice 2 mil a year to be on the team I root for, I am not saying differently. HOWEVER: If you are a league hell bent on parity, and players year after year are willing to sacrifice to go to that team (Pats only had 2 guys sacrifice pay to go/stay there so they don't matchup with the Wings, and the Steelers have never been known for player relations) and that makes that team successful year after year. It is not like the C's were a couple of guys at the end of their careers decide to eat a few million for a championship. The Wings have Z, Lids, Dats, Ralf all at below market value, they have the potential to add Mule and/or Hossa for well below market value. The Wings reputation is circumventing the cap. Now if I am a player, personally, I value a championship way more than money (Like Hossa, Lids, Z, dats, Ralf, etc...) but if I am the league I don't like that (remember I am all for parity if I am the league) or a GM trying to build a team and I know before negotiations even start that I have to find away to compete with a team that a guy is willing to sacrifice 10's of millions over the lifetime of the deal, that is without a doubt being behind the 8 ball. I love it because I am a wings fan, but holy crap if they get this guy long term!!!!!!! Matt have the OMG its Hossa .jpg ready if Holland gets this done long term. BTW: I think it bares repeating, if Hossa signs long term he deserves just as much credit and love for buying into the team, as a guy like Z who has been here years and years, I am not saying that puts Hossa on the 'C' list, but it shows as much as Dats, Lids and Z he is buying into this team and the example set by one MR. Y! I get what you are saying. The league and the PA probably aren't happy with this. NHL wants parity and the PA wants the players to get the most money they can. I think this is good to see in sports. People wanting to stay somewhere and taking less money to do it. In this age of overpaying for athletes and doing anything for money its nice. I hope they can sign him. I want him more than Franzen now. He's just so good he can create offense out of nothing. He's the player they've needed on their second line for a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 I get what you are saying. The league and the PA probably aren't happy with this. NHL wants parity and the PA wants the players to get the most money they can. I think this is good to see in sports. People wanting to stay somewhere and taking less money to do it. In this age of overpaying for athletes and doing anything for money its nice. I hope they can sign him. I want him more than Franzen now. He's just so good he can create offense out of nothing. He's the player they've needed on their second line for a while. This isn't directed at you or anything, just something that needs to be said that's relevant to your post: The players don't want parity. They want to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 No real news here. Expect Hudler, Samuelsson, and Filppula to be playing elsewhere next season. Its a shame, but you can't just let talent of Hossa's caliber go. Hopefully our depth in the minors is all its cracked up to be, hard to replace the points lost tho. Tough decisions ahead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) I'm not so sure about that: Lidstrom - at $7.45 million a year, it's tough to argue that he's below market value when the only dman in the league that makes more is Chara, who makes $7.5 million. It probably is below market, but not much, especially when you are effectively making the most for a defenseman. Rafalski - when they signed him at $6 million, I was thinking that was a lot of money, he's probably worth it, but I'm not sure I'd say it's below market Datsyuk - when he signed his contract, he wasn't worth the money they signed him to. He's showing that he's worth more than his cap hit now, but that wasn't the case at the time he signed Zetterberg - his cap hit for his new contract may look low (maybe not so much when the cap goes down), but this is only due to the structure of the deal, the Wings are certainly taking a bit of a risk on him and I don't think there is really much of a discount, if any here. I think for the PA or league to get concerned, you'd have to see some hefty discounts taken. I'm not sure you'll see Hossa take a discount to the point people will start questionning. But Lidstrom could have asked for more money. Rafalski was offered more but took less to come here and Datsyuk would have gotten a lot more on July 1 in 07. Gomez and Drury got 7mil each so Datsyuk would have gotten more than what the Wings signed him for. I see what you mean but all of those guys could have easily gotten a lot more money on the open market, and I think that's what he meant by below market value. Edited March 23, 2009 by StevieY9802 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 I guess my point would be that Z would have received at least 9 mil a year if not more, and long term deals like Dipietro are not that unheard of. (Malikn and Crosby both at 9 mil) Lids could get 8 in todays market, Brian Campbell got 7.1 and not even close to the defensive game Lids has and has 0 Norris. So I guess that one you are right it is only really another 550k. Dats at this point and time regardless of the time signed currently is a huge discount, could easily garner 8 mil a year if not 9. (Malikn and Crosby both at 9 mil) Hossa was offered what 9 mil or was it 10 from Vancouver? If he signs in Det it will be for less than 7 and probably closer to 6, that is ridiculous. Ralf, With Campbell going for 7.1 I see Ralf as that same tag if not more, I think Campbell is overpaid, but Ralf should easily make more than him. I get that some of these are long term deals and the risk exists, but what also exists is the probability that Z is done playing at age 36- 38 the Wings have just circumvented the cap by signing a player long term, using those long term numbers to rig the cap, and then never have a player paid through those years that drop the cap. As he signed the contract before 35 when he retires the cap strain retires with him. Z left potentially upward of 4 mil on the table, and signed in the midst of his prime, Hossa could sign at the peak of his career and carry through his prime, 6 years at 6 mil (I know cap wise would be tough and I don't know Hossa's numbers) that takes him to age 37 (by the end of the 6th year), if they offer him 9 years 50 mil, with the last 2 or 3 being 1 mil seasons they could have Hossa long term small cap hit, in years that he may not play. And he could make 8-9 mil in a couple of those seasons. I am not saying that as it stands now the league would have a problem, but if year after year they continue to do so, the league may want to take a look at it, I don't want them to, but I don't think Burke in TO would be super happy to watch the team across the Hudson take top shelf talent for middle shelf prices. He may make a stink or too about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seraph 240 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Man, I got my money all saved for an away 81 jersey. I just need Kenny to pull the trigger. Go go go, before the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 This isn't directed at you or anything, just something that needs to be said that's relevant to your post: The players don't want parity. They want to win. I agree, and those are the guys I want on my team, the guys that just want to win Championships. Hossa has made more than enough money to live the rest of his life with no job and plenty of Money, what has he said he is missing, a championship and a home, lets hope both of those are in Det!! No real news here. Expect Hudler, Samuelsson, and Filppula to be playing elsewhere next season. Its a shame, but you can't just let talent of Hossa's caliber go. Hopefully our depth in the minors is all its cracked up to be, hard to replace the points lost tho. Tough decisions ahead. Tough decisions, I agree, but if I am looking at it from a fan perspective, Hossa over those three is easy for me. I have stood by Sammy for a long time, but Sammy or Hossa, please!! Hudler will be a very good part to a team, you put him on the wing of Crosby, Malkin, Thornton, AO, Kovie, etc.... you get my point, he may not be your go to guy, but having him out there will create opportunities, and he will score. Flippula, again going to be really good, the question is, will he be Marian Hossa good? I don't think so! However if Hossa has to leave, I will gladly keep all three of them, but if it is them or Hossa, hello Leino and Helm and Abdelkader and you very low salaries!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zenway9 1 Report post Posted March 23, 2009 Man, I got my money all saved for an away 81 jersey. I just need Kenny to pull the trigger. Go go go, before the playoffs. Me Too! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
