Contract talks between Wings and Hossa, Franzen on hold

[Guest mindfly]

Well, let's take a quick look at those numbers again:

ESTOI:

Franzen: 914:43

Hudler: 779:38

PPTOI:

Franzen: 175:49

Hudler: 221:50

ES Scoring:

Franzen: 19g-16a-35pt

Hudler: 16g-12a-28pt

PP Scoring:

Franzen: 11g-8a-19pt

Hudler: 6g-20a-26pt

SH Scoring:

Franzen: 1g-0a-1pt

Hudler: 0g-0a-0pt

So, those are the raw numbers. To clarify the scoring difference between the two, we're going to project the ES scoring to 1000:00, and the PP scoring to 250:00, both of which are very close to Pavel Datsyuk's ice time numbers.

ES Scoring:

Franzen: 21g-17a-38pt

Hudler: 21g-15a-36pt

PP Scoring:

Franzen: 16g-11a-27pt

Hudler: 7g-23a-30pt

SH Scoring:

Franzen: 1g-0a-1pt

Hudler: 0g-0a-0pt

Total Scoring:

Franzen: 38g-28a-66pt

Hudler: 28g-38a-66pt

So projected to even ice time, the two come out even. This is after Hudler has gone through a major slump and Franzen has been hot on the scoresheet for a couple weeks. Hudler also doesn't have the luxury of playing with top players like Franzen does. So tell me then, who's better?

Franzén by far, goals are worth more than second assists etc, his presense is greater and he shown lately he's a very good passer, hudler is just too small and get tossed around like a raggdoll, you don't notice him out there while franzen is a powerhouse together with hossa.

[lets go pavel 2]

What you're missing is not that people would have to be traded. You're missing that contract(s) would have to be moved to open up cap space. If Hossa signs for $6m, the Wings don't have enough space to fill out the roster. They can sign two bare minimum forwards and run with 12-7-2, using Lebda as the spare forward if necessary. Or they can trade Brad Stuart for picks/prospects, and sign Hudler, Samuelsson, Leino, and Kopecky, and run Meech as a defenseman.

Brad Stuart has a NTC this year and next, he can't be moved until summer 2010.

[Mors 201]

I'd like to see Franzen sign no more than a 4 year deal max, between 3-4 million. He's going to want as much or more than Filppula got at least and he's probably right. Holland has worked his magic before, we'll just have to see how it plays out.

[clutchngrab 12]

Where's your scenario where Hud's gets an offer sheet that the Wings' can't match? That would really hurt your hopes of having him center the second line.

Yeah this isn't happening:

W Hossa $6m/yr

F Hudler $1.8m/yr

Hudler would get more than that even in arbitration - never mind RFA.

Edited March 26, 2009 by clutchngrab

[clutchngrab 12]

No, Franzen won't sign for $3m. It's what he SHOULD sign for, $3m or less....but he won't.

You should google and see how much 30-35 goal scoring forwards make in the NHL. I know he hasn't done it over multiple years, but he's not an old man or anything. These threads make me laugh because everyone brings out there jelly-beans, abacuses, scapels and what-not to figure out how they create what we all know is impossible. There is no "Kenny" magic here. Unfortunately, he apparently gave out no-trades like candy.

Edited March 26, 2009 by clutchngrab

[dallas27 7]

2 mil under the cap. All you have to do is trade Kronwall. Honestly, the team you just posted would barely make the play-offs, Howard and Osgood in goal? 3 rookie forwards, and Meech who's a D-man? No reason to blow up the team by losing Flipulla, Conklin, Franzen and one of Hudler/Sammy, just to keep Hossa. Hossa is not worth losing those 4 players, when we can easily replace Kronwall with Ericcson, and keep everyone.

You honestly think any team the Red Wings put out on the ice is barely going to make the playoffs? How exactly is Helm a rookie when he has 18 playoff games and a Stanley Cup under his belt? How is Leino a rookie when he has 5 goals in the NHL? Abdelkader I'll concede, but given the experience in the locker room I wouldn't foresee his transition that difficult.

Think about it. Hudler and Sammy combined score more goals, more points then Hossa, why let two proven 50 point scorers leave, to keep a 80 point guy. Especially when Hossa will cost likely DOUBLE what Hudler and Sammy will take COMBINED. No point in signing Hossa to lose Flipulla, Sammy/Hudler. No reason.

That's great, they both combined to score the same amount of points as Hossa did last year in the playoffs. Only difference is Hossa, had his team won, would have made a run for the Conn Smythe. Something those two won't even sniff. I wish people would stop with the Filppula thing, he's an over-achieving Draper (sans all the leadership Draper brings to the table) until he proves otherwise.

The Wings don't need another 6 million dollar player. The core is here. Get cheap proven 50 point/year scorers to fill the spaces for 2-3 million. If Franzen will take 3-4 million, it's a no brainer. Hossa is extremely over-rated, he's a top 20 forward in the league, maybe, but he's not worth losing these home grown players.

Now your just being ridiculous. To say you think he's not worth it is one thing but to sit there and say he is extremely over-rated, well that's just retarded. I don't use that word to often seeing as my aunt has Down Syndrome but given what you typed in the bold text there, I think it's fitting. Extremely over-rated? In other news I'm winning the lotto tomorrow. He's top 20, but he's extremely over-rated.

Osgood and Howard is not the answer. What if we get knocked out in the first round? Unless we win the Cup, I guarantee Osgood won't be here next year. He's an extreme liability.

What if we win the cup? Does that all go away? That's great you can throw what if's around, it's too bad they don't prove anything. Who is the answer? Conklin? With his whole 6 minutes of experience in the playoffs? I think the Wings know another goalie that played well in the regular season but when he had his chance in the playoffs blew it. Think of Conklin as Legace 2.0.

Think about it, Hossa at 6, or Franzen at 3, Hudler 1.5, Sammy 1.5. What would you do? Even one of the two and Franzen is better then Hossa.

I would say Hossa at 6 is a whole lot more likely than all three at those numbers.

Whatever Mr. Holland does will be best for the team, regardless of what we all think, and that's all that matters. Although given the numerous statements Hossa has made publicly I wouldn't be all that shocked if Mr. Holland talked Hossa down to 5 million. Hossa said he's had his big pay day. Franzen hasn't.

[steveyzerman 0]

We need to sign Hossa. I was all for Franzen before, but Hossa is so much better than I thought he was. If we do end up losing Hossa, you can bet I'll be cheering for him on his returns to the Joe.

The man's a Red Wing. He has the Red Wings mentality. He wants to win. He fits here & I love him. I hope he stays & I hope he gets his cup with us.

Side note: I feel like a topic killer. I swear, my last 10 posts were the last of any topic. Don't you like me?

All right. Cool, dudes.

Edited March 27, 2009 by steveyzerman

[eva unit zero 271]

Yeah this isn't happening:

Hudler would get more than that even in arbitration - never mind RFA.

Because he's a greedy Euro, right?