Intersting Stats on Home vs Road Penalty Calls

[Johnny Law 15]

I found this blog post when searching for stats on penalties called, interesting numbers when looking specifically at the Wings.

I'm not sure what conclusions you can actually draw from any of this as it doesn't list what they were actually called for.

http://gooseman-hockey.blogspot.com/2009/0...hv-by-team.html

[Redwingsfan18 1]

I think it's interesting that as a league, there is about 600 more penalties called on visiting teams then home teams. But in all honesty, I'm not surprised how many teams there are that get more penalties on the road then at home, it's part of the home ice advantage, it just happens. But it sucks to be Pit and Stl when it comes to this stat.

[ComradeWasabi 109]

The type of penalties called would be interesting. If there's anything besides lazy stuff like hooking tripping etc. then I'd be surprised. Traveling sucks and I think it's safe to say you usually are not as quick on the road as at home.

[akustyk 84]

I think it's interesting that as a league, there is about 600 more penalties called on visiting teams then home teams. But in all honesty, I'm not surprised how many teams there are that get more penalties on the road then at home, it's part of the home ice advantage, it just happens. But it sucks to be Pit and Stl when it comes to this stat.

why does it suck to have refs helping you win road games?

[Lovin Jiri Fischer 147]

33.6% is absurd. I think Bettman needs to see these statistics.

[Johnny Law 15]

How do they determine who refs which games ?

Do they assign 15 guys to just do a certain area say Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis or is there a more free mixture ?

My gut tells me its obstruction and interference type calls.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Doesn't seem that off to me. Home team gets the match ups it likes, there should be an advantage.

[Lovin Jiri Fischer 147]

Doesn't seem that off to me. Home team gets the match ups it likes, there should be an advantage.

What's off is that the Red Wings have a higher differential than any other team. The Wings are the only team to have a difference over 30%. Most are in the teens.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Teams getting up to play when the champs come to visit? I don't know what else to tell you, unless you're putting forth some kind of grand NHL conspiracy, which is, of course, absurd.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Id like to see what these stats look like for minors only, assuming these include majors and misconducts. It might put other teams closer to the Wings in terms of difference.

[MacK_Attack 108]

How do they determine who refs which games ?

Do they assign 15 guys to just do a certain area say Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis or is there a more free mixture ?

My gut tells me its obstruction and interference type calls.

Linesmen have a geographical region which they stay in, but referees move around a lot.

[Guest mindfly]

Id like to see what these stats look like for minors only, assuming these include majors and misconducts. It might put other teams closer to the Wings in terms of difference.

Excluded are fighting, too many men, and puck over the glass, "automatic" calls and those made by the linesmen. Since that is the criteria that I used originally, I stuck with that criteria.

[Lovin Jiri Fischer 147]

Teams getting up to play when the champs come to visit? I don't know what else to tell you, unless you're putting forth some kind of grand NHL conspiracy, which is, of course, absurd.

What does the amount of penalties called have to do with teams getting up to play the Champs?

[Grim 5]

i think this stat outlines what a total crock reg season penalty calling is. sure our goaltending is suspect... but when the Wings greatly outclass an opponent, skating circles around them earning nary a PPO its an utter travesty! heck, i feel Homer and Cleary get called just for sneezing the wrong way during road games. Honestly do these guys play that much differently on the road??

[XxGoWingsxX 0]

i think this stat outlines what a total crock reg season penalty calling is. sure our goaltending is suspect... but when the Wings greatly outclass an opponent, skating circles around them earning nary a PPO its an utter travesty! heck, i feel Homer and Cleary get called just for sneezing the wrong way during road games. Honestly do these guys play that much differently on the road??

In my eyes they don't...and when at home homer takes far less interference penalties and waived off goals than on the road....I've noticed that quite a bit...when he gets those, 9/10 times its on the road.

[MidMichSteve 1,115]

Teams getting up to play when the champs come to visit? I don't know what else to tell you, unless you're putting forth some kind of grand NHL conspiracy, which is, of course, absurd.

Possibly. But teams get up for the Wings at home or on the road.

[DMAC 25 18]

33.6% is absurd. I think Bettman needs to see these statistics.

haha yea he needs to look at them but i'm saying theres about a 1% chance that he would try to solve the problem

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Possibly. But teams get up for the Wings at home or on the road.

Magnified by the home crowd?

I'm reaching, because I don't see the need to draw any conclusion whatsoever. Maybe the Wings just struggle more than any other team when they don't have the match ups. Maybe it's nothing, and that's just the way the numbers fall. It's an interesting stat, but it doesn't say anything.

[Shaman 713]

This goes to prove my point

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OTT -35 158 193 -22.2%

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TOR -33 143 176 -23.1%

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CGY -41 165 206 -24.8%

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VAN -46 174 220 -26.4%

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PHX -35 131 166 -26.7%

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EDM -44 153 197 -28.8%

Canadian teams seem to all get better treatment by the refs, and if anyone has watched Calgary or Edmonton play, they are some of the worse when it comes to roughing, holding, interference, etc when at home. As for Detroit I think its an anomaly due to their style of play....But I could just be a giant homer too...

[Holmstrom96 347]

Refs are brutal to the Red Wings. Remember the game Holmstrom came back and they called back a goal because he was "in the crease" but he didn't touch the goalie? This "in the crease" rule only applies to the Red Wings apparently. I also like that Cleary constantly gets called for goalie interference, but crashing Osgood 3 times in one game is perfectly acceptable.

The inconsistent reffing is very troubling. If the wings lose a series\game because of it expect home crowds to use the ice as a trash receptacle.

[toby91_ca 620]

This goes to prove my point

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OTT -35 158 193 -22.2%

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TOR -33 143 176 -23.1%

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CGY -41 165 206 -24.8%

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VAN -46 174 220 -26.4%

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PHX -35 131 166 -26.7%

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EDM -44 153 197 -28.8%

Canadian teams seem to all get better treatment by the refs, and if anyone has watched Calgary or Edmonton play, they are some of the worse when it comes to roughing, holding, interference, etc when at home. As for Detroit I think its an anomaly due to their style of play....But I could just be a giant homer too...

Yes, that's right, it's a conspiracy for the Cdn teams, but we'll just explain the Wings away as an anomoly....

Anyway, I think the stats mean nothing seeing as you can have the same refs at home as you have on the road.

[Shaman 713]

Yes, that's right, it's a conspiracy for the Cdn teams, but we'll just explain the Wings away as an anomoly....

Anyway, I think the stats mean nothing seeing as you can have the same refs at home as you have on the road.

If youre playing a team that is pretty close geographically you can, but, in the West, it doesn't happen as much ive noticed. I really do believe that canadian teams get atleast consistently different treatment by refs then other teams, Calgary especially.

[gooseman 0]

I found this blog post when searching for stats on penalties called, interesting numbers when looking specifically at the Wings.

I'm not sure what conclusions you can actually draw from any of this as it doesn't list what they were actually called for.

http://gooseman-hockey.blogspot.com/2009/0...hv-by-team.html

Hi Guys. I've long stopped by, even was registered on here some time back, could not remember the ID though. I thought I would stop by and answer a few questions as best I can, not that there are any guarantees on answers, they are all just opinions. As for breaking down by call type, it is a situation that some of the patterns tend to get lost in the numbers at that point. As for dropping to just minors, it really does not move the numbers much. There are a couple teams that are lopsided on misconducts, but most teams would only move by 2-3% to drop them. Ottawa has a large differential there, 10, no one else is over 6. Detroit for instance only has a differential of 1 on the year for 10's.

It you did not see, I put another sheet up there that looks at the numbers a bit differently. That first sheet was strictly how many calls there were against a team at home and on the road. Anyone looking for a big pattern, there was another half to the equation: How many calls on the other team? When you include that, it is a different picture.

I made a comment that for Detroit, it almost seems like games are called by a different rule book when the Wings are home and on the road. When you look at including calls on the other team, it looks even more that way. The Wings have a lot more calls against on the road than at home, but so their opponents. Detroit's overall numbers are actually in the range of what one would expect on total calls. They have a have a +31 call advantage at home, and a -1 disadvantage on the road. The odd part with them is just that the games are simply called to a different standard as to what is a penalty when they are in the Joe than elsewhere. Whistle get put away in Hockeytown.

Stl on the other hand, that from the first set of numbers look like they do better on the road, not really. They have the opposite, there is simply many more calls in the home games than their road games. When you look this way, the teams that look like they have heavily tilted home ice changes. SJ, that had exactly the same number of calls against home and road, well, the same was not true for their opponents. SJ is a -14 on the road, but +53 at home. That is the largest differential in the league. I might be in SJ, and a Sharks fan, but I am not a blind homer, and get so tired of telling the blind homers that the Sharks are not getting jobbed every game.

[gooseman 0]

33.6% is absurd. I think Bettman needs to see these statistics.

Walkom sees to it that Bettman does not have much to say about officials. Walkom is the boss. The competition commitee sets the standards, and then Walkom is the law for enforcing it.

[gooseman 0]

How do they determine who refs which games ?

Do they assign 15 guys to just do a certain area say Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis or is there a more free mixture ?

My gut tells me its obstruction and interference type calls.

As MacK_Attack said, referees move around quite a bit. For the most part they try to move guys around. Walkom no longer allows guys to stay paired for chunks of the season. Guys will usually work set of two or four games together, they move to another pairing. Most years, about 2/3 of the officials will end the year with 45-55% of their games in each conference. The others are usually at a 2-1 split. Most will work 4 divisions heavy, and 2 divisions light. The divisions that cause a lot of the uneven splits are the NW and PAC, where guys will tend to stay longer periods to ease travel, and again the NW with the NE, because it is easier to not have guys crossing US-CAN constantly.

I am not sure what the rules are today, but it used to be that each team could request to not be assigned certain officials, and the referees could do the same. IIRC, a team could opt out of 2 officials, and officials 3 venues, and those requests would mostly be honored. I know these are not givens now, but if there is a valid reason, such as personal conflict, home town, etc., requests tend to be honored. When it is a venue issue, the official will work road games for that team.

For the most part, officials are supposed to be moved around relatively evenly allowing for travel, but high profile games tend to get preferential assignment of veteran refs. If you get two very fast teams, then you are likely to see better skating officials to try to keep up. The specific anomaly you will see though is with potential explosive match-ups. If you see an Anaheim match-up with Calgary or Vancouver, it is very unlikely you are going to see a rookie ref out there. Pollock would be a very good guess as to one of the refs. And for linesmen, you are probably going to see one of Sharrers, Heyer or Cvik are likely to be in the house. These are the guys who don't take anything and are monsters as far as the linesmen go. It is not always random.