The "I Support Dan Cleary and Brad Stuart" Thread

[xBrave_Heartx 0]

To many people wanted them traded and overall just hating on them.

two words.. YOU SUCK!

Cleary and Stuart are vital !!

[Guest Shoreline]

I'd hit it.

[skacore 2]

if both of their price tags were cut in half i'd welcome them with open arms

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Here Here! Hopefully Stuart raises his play in the postseason, and I just love Cleary. Good Canadian Boys.

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

cleary brings nothing to the team that isn't replaceable for less money. he's got a great attitude and i like him, but he's not worth what he's making, imo.

[Booster313 138]

I think we all like ALL the Red Wings. What your seeing are the fans playing armchair GM and trying to decide who should stay and who should go...I think everyone would agree that Hossa is in the top 3 or 4 players on the Wings...So if that's the case and you want to keep him you have to be willing to move some of your other players. Of course Stuart and Cleary are better than some other players on the roster...but you need to look for someone that A is tradeable (they have to have value) and B someone who has a high enough salary to make an impact. Unfortunatley that's a short list.

Flip, Cleary, Stuart, Kronwall, Rafalski, and Homer. (I left off Lidstrom, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg because they're what I would consider untouchable, Franzen just signed so he isn't going anywhere. I also left off upcoming FA...eveyone else on the roster doesn't have a high enough salary to make an impact.)

Out of the six you have to decide who makes the most sense to move. For what it's worth I actually think it will be Flip that gets traded.

That's all nothing personal, it's just the economics of the game. In a non-cap world I think the Wings would retain everyone.

Edited April 13, 2009 by Booster313

[xBrave_Heartx 0]

cleary brings nothing to the team that isn't replaceable for less money. he's got a great attitude and i like him, but he's not worth what he's making, imo.

If you think you can replace Cleary with a Kopecky then your mentaly ill.

Cleary has skill, He has heart, he's a tremendous forechecker.. There is a reason he is on the PP when Homer or Franzen are out.. There is a reason he's seen more 2nd line action then 3rd line action this year..

Keep in mind, Cleary is a grind it out type player, who for the past 3 years has had 40 points. the last 2 before this being 20:20 years.. He outplayed everyone in the Calgary series two years back. has had a positive +/- 3 years running.. For playing a wreckless grinding game, he takes very few penalties thoughout a season. He seeked redemption on that RW Villan Pronger.. If he was a streaky player, then yah dump his salary.. But he is reliable player for us..

What bad does he do? The only knock is that he isn't a pure goal scorer. But he gets chances. and He's going to be great on the 3rd line.. When the top 2 lines cancel eachother out..

Last time i checked a 20:20 player isn't usualy found at a 1m a year salary like you seem to think

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

If you think you can replace Cleary with a Kopecky then you're mentaly ill.

Cleary has skill, He has heart, he's a tremendous forechecker.. There is a reason he is on the PP when Homer or Franzen are out.. There is a reason he's seen more 2nd line action then 3rd line action this year..

Keep in mind, Cleary is a grind it out type player, who for the past 3 years has had 40 points. the last 2 before this being 20:20 years.. He outplayed everyone in the Calgary series two years back. has had a positive +/- 3 years running.. For playing a wreckless grinding game, he takes very few penalties thoughout a season. He seeked redemption on that RW Villan Pronger.. If he was a streaky player, then yah dump his salary.. But he is reliable player for us..

What bad does he do? The only knock is that he isn't a pure goal scorer. But he gets chances. and He's going to be great on the 3rd line.. When the top 2 lines cancel eachother out..

Last time i checked a 20:20 player isn't usualy found at a 1m a year salary like you seem to think

i said nothing about kopecky and nothing about 1m a year. cleary had 20 goals before his contract, great, but he's only got 14 this year and he spent much of it on the top two lines and pp. he's not a difference maker, he's a grinder-type player with occasional offensive flairs. we have plenty of guys with occasional offensive flairs.

and if your going to throw names around at least use the proper words.

Edited April 13, 2009 by datsyukismyfriend

[Booster313 138]

If you think you can replace Cleary with a Kopecky then your mentaly ill.

Cleary has skill, He has heart, he's a tremendous forechecker.. There is a reason he is on the PP when Homer or Franzen are out.. There is a reason he's seen more 2nd line action then 3rd line action this year..

Keep in mind, Cleary is a grind it out type player, who for the past 3 years has had 40 points. the last 2 before this being 20:20 years.. He outplayed everyone in the Calgary series two years back. has had a positive +/- 3 years running.. For playing a wreckless grinding game, he takes very few penalties thoughout a season. He seeked redemption on that RW Villan Pronger.. If he was a streaky player, then yah dump his salary.. But he is reliable player for us..

What bad does he do? The only knock is that he isn't a pure goal scorer. But he gets chances. and He's going to be great on the 3rd line.. When the top 2 lines cancel eachother out..

Last time i checked a 20:20 player isn't usualy found at a 1m a year salary like you seem to think

Clearly you are upset about the opinion that one of your favorite players is expendable, however that does not give you the right to make fun of someone who is handicaped or a perticular type of handicap. Please choose your words more wisely from now on.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

They might be moved anyways for the money they're making, but that's for the offseason. On their own merits, I think the whole team gets a pass and we see what happens in the playoffs. The Kronwall-Stuart pairing sucked all year, but if they turn it around now, all is forgiven; they have previously played at an elite level, after all.

[Gutierrez 7]

I support both Danny and Stu. Everyone loved Clearly back in 07, especially the playoffs, where's the love now? So he didn't score 30 goals this year, he doesn't have to nor do we need him to with the talent we have here. Stu leads our team in hits this season and is our only physical presence aside from Kronwall and Lilja who is out right now.

[xBrave_Heartx 0]

Clearly you are upset about the opinion that one of your favorite players is expendable, however that does not give you the right to make fun of someone who is handicaped or a perticular type of handicap. Please choose your words more wisely from now on.

A tad to PC ya?

[Booster313 138]

A tad to PC ya?

No actually I'm not...you will from time to time see me making sarcastic comments or using profanity in my posts, I just don't find it appropiate to make fun of someone based on a handicap, race, religion, etc... Prove your point with facts. It will usually hold a lot more water that way.

[Guest Shoreline]

I support both Danny and Stu. Everyone loved Clearly back in 07, especially the playoffs, where's the love now?

I think what you refer to are the fans have a memory or attention span of about two games. It's quite retarded.

[under_par_00 45]

A lot of people are calling for Filppula to be traded as well, which I think is outrageous. He is getting better and better, and has tons of skill!

[Gutierrez 7]

I think what you refer to are the fans have a memory or attention span of about two games. It's quite retarded.

Yea pretty much. I mean I know in today's day and age in sports it's all about what have you done for me lately but this was only 2 seasons ago and the man has broken his jaw and had an eye injury, give him a break.

[LidsFan 68]

I have always liked Cleary, but I do feel that he has not been the player that he was before Samuelsson hit him in the face with the puck. He still plays hard, but something is missing. I would not want him to leave the team, he is an important role player.

As for Stuart and Kronwall, I am still hoping that they will get back the great chemistry that they had last year.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Cleary doesn't look as good as he did lat year. It's kinda of disappointing. Still love him though. If he left it wouldn't be the end of the world though.

Stu is to be kept. End.

Edited April 13, 2009 by Z and D for the C

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

I love me some Cleary & Stewie!!

In fact, I'm wearing my Cleary shirt as I'm typing this. Love him.

[TheOwl 77]

Cleary and Stuart are vital !!

How are they vital? I mean, their both good players, and their salaries are fair. BUT Cleary is easily the most replaceable forward currently signed. Flipulla has far more potential. And Stuart is easily the most replaceable D-man. Kronwall, Rafa and Lidstrom are all in the top 10 for scoring this season (obviously because their all on the powerplay), but he has a horrible +/-, and his defensive play has been far from superior. We have Meech, Ericcson ready for the NHL. Getting rid of Lebda or Lilja in place of Ericcson or Meech gains nothing in terms of the CAP, and really, nothing in terms of improving the defense.

The point is, if Holland doesn't move salary, Leino, Hudler, Sammy, Conklin, Kopecky and Hossa are all gonners. With the signing of Franzen, the Wings have about 4 million in cap space to sign 4 MORE forwards, and a back-up goalie. 4 million, 5 spots to fill = 5 Entry level players.

So obviously, it would be idiotic to lose Leino, Hudler, and Hossa for nothing. So you must move players from the active roster. No one will take Osgood, Draper or Maltby. So who do you move? Flipulla, Cleary, Stuart. Those are the only 3 players that have significant cap hits, who aren't key to the team.

Trading Cleary and Stuart would mean an extra 6 million in cap space, that's about 10 million total that you could easily use to sign Hossa or Leino and Hudler.

What would you rather have? Hossa or Leino and Hudler or Cleary and Stuart? No one is going to pick Stuart and Cleary, with Ericcson ready to go and Cleary (40 points a year).

[Reds4Life 51]

How are they vital? I mean, their both good players, and their salaries are fair. BUT Cleary is easily the most replaceable forward currently signed. Flipulla has far more potential. And Stuart is easily the most replaceable D-man. Kronwall, Rafa and Lidstrom are all in the top 10 for scoring this season (obviously because their all on the powerplay), but he has a horrible +/-, and his defensive play has been far from superior. We have Meech, Ericcson ready for the NHL. Getting rid of Lebda or Lilja in place of Ericcson or Meech gains nothing in terms of the CAP, and really, nothing in terms of improving the defense.

The point is, if Holland doesn't move salary, Leino, Hudler, Sammy, Conklin, Kopecky and Hossa are all gonners. With the signing of Franzen, the Wings have about 4 million in cap space to sign 4 MORE forwards, and a back-up goalie. 4 million, 5 spots to fill = 5 Entry level players.

So obviously, it would be idiotic to lose Leino, Hudler, and Hossa for nothing. So you must move players from the active roster. No one will take Osgood, Draper or Maltby. So who do you move? Flipulla, Cleary, Stuart. Those are the only 3 players that have significant cap hits, who aren't key to the team.

Trading Cleary and Stuart would mean an extra 6 million in cap space, that's about 10 million total that you could easily use to sign Hossa or Leino and Hudler.

What would you rather have? Hossa or Leino and Hudler or Cleary and Stuart? No one is going to pick Stuart and Cleary, with Ericcson ready to go and Cleary (40 points a year).

Not to mention draft pick we could get for Stuart and Cleary. I like them both, but they are not worth their respective cap hits. I mean, what does Cleary do to earn 2.8 million a year? He is average 3rd line player. Stuart was amazing last year, but is not so good this year and the 3.75 million a year is a killer. But if possible I'd rather keep those two and trade away Rafalski.

Edited April 13, 2009 by Reds4Life

[Yzermania 156]

I support stuart but I think cleary is one of the mot useless players on the team. He does nothing, he'll have golden opportunities, open nets, chances to make a big play and 99% of the time, he blows them.

[VikingMark 5]

I'm not going to get into the Cleary debate; I like him, was glad when he became the 1st NFer to win the cup, but wouldn't be devastated if he was traded this summer .. hopefully with a second ring.

How ANYONE could possibly defend Stuarts awful play this season is beyond me, however.

Stuart is, by far, the WORST defenceman we have on the team, in the minors, or anywhere in the system at all. I'd rather double-shift ancient Chelios for every game than have Stuart step on the ice at any time. I'd rather call up the youngest, most inexperianced D-man in the system, than have Stuart play another shift. In fact, I'd rather the Wings use an old battered traffic cone, than let Stuart dress for another game!

Every time we have a goal scored against the Wings, regardless of which 'tender we have in net, I look for Stuart and his whatever bone-headed move he made to cause it. More than half of the so-called "bad goals" that people blame Osgood for this season, I blame Stuart for instead. He makes the Red Wings worse, just by being on the team .. and the closer he is to our own net, the more likely it is we get scored on again.

Trade his worthless ass, or buy him out ASAP this summer .. and hope & pray that he doesn't cost us the postseason!

[CdnWingsFanEh 2]

Umm...If I'm not mistaken, Stuart has a no-trade clause in his contract (at least the first couple years, anyway) and has indicated he liked Detroit, and therefore is unlikely to waive it. I don't think you'll see him traded any time soon, regardless how much you might want it.

[adtthosa 5]

I don't think Stuart has been too bad this year to be honest, he's certainly not as bad as the guy a few posts up seems to think he is. In terms of defense, I think he's had a better season than Kronwall. Too lazy to look up +/- stats, but while he hasn't been perfect by any means I don't think he's been as bad as some people say.

Clearly has had a bit of an off season. It seems that getting hit in the face with a puck last year really set him back or something. He's had a lot of trouble finishing this year. With that said I love the guy and his style is perfectly suited for the playoffs, so I expect we'll see him pick up his play a bit in the coming weeks. I think some people expect too much from him. He had that one great season for us in terms of production but his role on this team is not that of a goal scorer. It would be nice to see him chip in a couple goals in the playoffs but if he can play anything like he did in the playoffs two years ago it will be a huge boost for us.