Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 It doesn't matter. A win is a win. We had some OT and shootout wins also on the road, as did just about every team. It's just a misleading way to portray stats. Bottom line is that they had a road record way above .500. A loss isn't a win in the playoffs. Period, end of story. If they were to (somehow) win 21 games, lose 13 in regulation and 7 in overtime in the playoffs, then they would have 21 wins and 20 losses. Just above .500. And seeing as this conversation is in relevance to the playoffs, I'd say that's a lot more relevant than OT losses boosting winning % in the regular season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 A loss isn't a win in the playoffs. Period, end of story. If they were to (somehow) win 21 games, lose 13 in regulation and 7 in overtime in the playoffs, then they would have 21 wins and 20 losses. Just above .500. And seeing as this conversation is in relevance to the playoffs, I'd say that's a lot more relevant than OT losses boosting winning % in the regular season. Like I said in my previous post, based on such an outlook, everyone's win percentage is boosted unfairly if you look at the stats that way. Also, shootout losses don't translate into playoffs losses, nor do 4 on 4 overtimes, since they don't happen in the playoffs. Either way, it's a bad analogy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greenrebellion 415 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Like I said in my previous post, based on such an outlook, everyone's win percentage is boosted unfairly if you look at the stats that way. Also, shootout losses don't translate into playoffs losses, nor do 4 on 4 overtimes, since they don't happen in the playoffs. Either way, it's a bad analogy. Well saying they were 8 games over .500 is also a poor portrayal of the situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 It doesn't matter. We had some OT and shootout wins also on the road, as well as shootout losses, as did just about every team. It's just a misleading way to portray stats. Bottom line is that they had a road record way above .500. That's just the way the NHL point system is currently counted. If you want to complain about the system then you're more than welcome to. But if you look at it that way, everybody's record is somehow inflated. 21-20 is one game over .500, not "way" over .500. It is fair to count OTLs as a loss - if you look at winning and losing streaks the OTLs are counted as losses - and would be so in the POs. I always consider a Wings OTL as a loss myself - point awarded or not. The point is the Sharks were not that dominant on the road. They will have to win 2/3 at the Pond - doable but a tough task. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Like I said in my previous post, based on such an outlook, everyone's win percentage is boosted unfairly if you look at the stats that way. Also, shootout losses don't translate into playoffs losses, nor do 4 on 4 overtimes, since they don't happen in the playoffs. Either way, it's a bad analogy. And saying they were way over .500 isn't? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 And saying they were way over .500 isn't? That's the way the NHL treats it. It's not my fault the point system is counted out that way. I'm just looking at the facts. I do actually think that OT losses should not count as points, but as long as the rule is how it is, the Sharks had a record way above .500. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockeysattva 8 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 How about just taking off the red lenses altogether; winning the cup has always taken work. The Ducks are just about as scary in my eyes, beating them injury free seems distant, and that is important stuff to think about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 That's the way the NHL treats it. It's not my fault the point system is counted out that way. I'm just looking at the facts. I do actually think that OT losses should not count as points, but as long as the rule is how it is, the Sharks had a record way above .500. That is how they treat it in the regular season, not the playoffs. When we talk about predictions of how well San Jose will do on the road, we factor in an OT loss as simply a loss. San Jose wasn't elite on the road, and that is shown with their record. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowingsgo 3 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 If things hold the way they are, we will see the Ducks in about a week. They are dangerous, but beatable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 If things hold the way they are, we will see the Ducks in about a week. They are dangerous, but beatable Yes, and that will be another great series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 That is how they treat it in the regular season, not the playoffs. When we talk about predictions of how well San Jose will do on the road, we factor in an OT loss as simply a loss. San Jose wasn't elite on the road, and that is shown with their record. But in the regular season they play 4 on 4 overtimes, which are in no way indicative of how it goes in the playoffs. The players don't play those two scenarios the exact same way. In the regular season the play is more wide open in overtimes and there's a lot less to lose. I still think it's a bad analogy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 I have to be honest, I'm not sure which team I don't want to face more - SJ or the Ducks. They both scare the crap out of me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Like others have stated, the Ducks are beatable. They tend to take a lot of penalties. This could easily work towards the Wings advantage if we get out PP firing on all cylinders. Now what does concern me is the play of Scott and Rob Neidermeyer of late. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 On a lighter note, I hear Hillar has been doing his homework by watching this clip over and over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
