Guest blueadams Report post Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) I hate to be posting something like this during the playoffs, but man, I can't help myself - I am just too excited about all of these young red wings!!! re-sign: Hossa, Hudler, Leino let go: Samuelsson, Kopecky, Conklin, Chelios, Downey, McCarty It might be wishful thinking to assume that Holland is going to be able to resign both Hossa and Hudler...but I think he's got something up his sleeve there. Maybe he politely asks Maltby and/or Draper to step down and retire in order to make it work? (in which case we bring up Abdelkader and/or resign Kopecky) Holmstrom, Datsyuk, Hossa Franzen, Zetterberg, Filppula Leino, Hudler, Cleary Maltby, Draper, Helm Lidstrom, Rafalski Kronwall, Stuart Ericson, Lilija Osgood Howard? Edited April 20, 2009 by blueadams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IDLE19 3 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 seriously? can we get through the playoffs before you post s*** like this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 I hate to be posting something like this during the playoffs, but man, I can't help myself - I am just too excited about all of these young red wings!!! re-sign: Hossa, Hudler, Leino Well Not to stop you short.... But if this happends..... Who cares about the lines...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslionstigers 12 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 re-sign: Hossa, Hudler, Leino let go: Samuelsson, Kopecky, Conklin, Chelios, Downey, McCarty If Hosso was to get signed not only are you going to loose Hudler your going to have to trade Filpulla or one of our top 4 defensemen. I have ran the numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) The best situation for the roster next season would be: Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Holmstrom Franzen/Hudler/Hossa Leino/Filppula/Kopecky Maltby/Draper/Helm Downey (or other minimum-wage veteran) OR Ritola Lidstrom/Rafalski Kronwall/Ericsson Meech/Chelios/Lilja Osgood Howard Chelios plays about 20-35 games, depending on injuries. I would have preferred to use Abdelkader as a fourth liner with Maltby as the spare forward rather than Ritola or Downey/other cheap veteran, but the cap space doesn't allow for it. Of course, this roster requires getting two players to waive NTCs, and both Chelios and Downey (if it's him as the 13th) to take a pay cut...so it's a real questionmark. Edited April 20, 2009 by eva unit zero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 There is no next season in the playoffs. Only the next game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 There is no next season in the playoffs. Only the next game. So true. I'm more interested in what the lines will be if we get Draper back for tomorrow's game. Hopefully Helm will still be in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 Interesting comparison... I put together the best roster I could using players' cap hits for next season, using only players whose current contracts continued into next season, with one exception. I wanted to see how it would stack up as compared to this year's Red Wings roster. The roster and lines I came up with were: Henrik Zetterberg/Pavel Datsyuk/Tomas Holmstrom Milan Lucic/Mike Richards/Zach Parise Ryan Kesler/Jonathan Toews/Phil Kessel Drew Miller/Darren Helm/Claude Giroux Derek Dorsett Nicklas Lidstrom/Andreas Lilja Niklas Kronwall/Dennis Wideman Jonathan Ericsson/Kyle Quincey Luke Schenn Derek Meech Chris Osgood Steve Mason In my opinion, the goaltending is obviously better, the defense is better, and the forward corps is noticeably better. Anyone have any commentary? This roster has a total cap hit of 55.07 for next season. In 2-3 years, the team will probably have some cap issues, but the team is made almost completely of young players who excel at their roles, so trading off a guy like Zach Parise, Phil Kessel, or Dennis Wideman to acquire a decent pick, a good prospect, and a solid checking line player with a cheap contract wouldn't be out of the question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NomadFromKazoo 42 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 It might be wishful thinking to assume that Holland is going to be able to resign both Hossa and Hudler...but I think he's got something up his sleeve there I think what's up his sleeve is that based on his comments, Hudler MAY be willing to stay for bargain basement price in order to stay for the next two years when we have no cap space in exchange for getting a better deal after that and trust us to come through for him. TBD, but I think it's the only way we keep him because Hossa's staying and we're going to be in 2 years of cap hell, but then things will get way better with the core of our team signed long term. If he leaves because we just don't have the cap to pay him full market, I can't blame him. But I'd love to keep him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 We've gone through this so much, and its simply impossible to discern at this point, considering Hossa's status. The difference between Hossa staying and Hossa going could be the difference between 2 or 3 other fundamental players staying or going. That alone makes projecting the lines nearly impossible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings 79 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 This topic would fit better right now on the SJ boards, along with best golf courses where you can see professional shark players... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest blueadams Report post Posted April 21, 2009 what is possible if... a) maltby retires b) draper retires or c) maltby and draper retire that is what everyone seems to be overlooking here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daniel1 32 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 The way that 'kader has been playing in the AHL playoffs I wouldn't be surprised if he makes the Wings roster out of training camp next year. He currently leads the AHL in playoff scoring... and he's a rookie in the AHL this year. 2nd on the Grifs in PIM's this year 2nd on the team with 24 goals and 2nd on the team with 52pts in the regular season this year. He's got size, tenacity and some scoring potential. If he works on his skating this year I don't see how the Wings can keep him down there too much longer as he's just what this team needs. I would let Hossa go if it meant keeping all of Flip, Hudler and Sammy. 3 is better than 1 and I hate having all my eggs in one basket so to speak. That would give us way more depth to withstand injuries and more flexibility to address other needs that may arrise throughout the year. I just don't think having 4 guys on super long, super high deals is a good idea, even if they are Dats/Z/Mule/Hoss. It would be interesting to see what a young motivated 'kader would do on a line with Z and Mule next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Howard, Leino, and Abdlekader are all looking ready if the AHL playoffs is any indication. I'd say Abby stays in the minors for one more season of top minutes: Sammy walks. One of Stuart or Rafalski will be traded to make room for Hossa. Sammy walks. Lilja's status? Hossa - Datsyuk - Homer Franzen - Zetterberg - Cleary Hudler - Filpulla - Leino Kopecky - Helm - Draper Maltby Lidstrom - Kronwall Stuart - Ericsson Lilja - Lebda Meech Osgood Howard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GROwl 5 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 what is possible if... a) maltby retires b) draper retires or c) maltby and draper retire that is what everyone seems to be overlooking here. Weren't they both over 35 when they signed their last contracts? "When a player aged 35 or older signs a multi-year contract, his average salary is counted against the team's salary cap during every year of the contract, even if the player retires before the contract is up. " Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Save this one for the off-season when there is nothing else to talk about. Except when the parade is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Save this one for the off-season when there is nothing else to talk about. Except when the parade is. It's like two seconds after we won the cup last year people were posting line combos for this year..I was like " Cant we just celebrate and stop talking about who or who wont be playing for this team next year !!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10 Minute Misconduct 104 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Howard, Leino, and Abdlekader are all looking ready if the AHL playoffs is any indication. I'd say Abby stays in the minors for one more season of top minutes: Sammy walks. One of Stuart or Rafalski will be traded to make room for Hossa. Sammy walks. Lilja's status? Hossa - Datsyuk - Homer Franzen - Zetterberg - Cleary Hudler - Filpulla - Leino Kopecky - Helm - Draper Maltby Lidstrom - Kronwall Stuart - Ericsson Lilja - Lebda Meech Osgood Howard If you think Holland would ask either to waive their NTC, then your lost. I don't get why people keep mentionning Stuart or Rafalski being traded when we know it won't happen. If we lose Filppula, Hudler, and Sammy for Hossa it would be a huge mistake IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Instead of conjecture (although that's fun!) I've decided to provide the cold hard facts: Current Roster for 09/10 Season: Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Franzen - Filppula - Cleary ? - Draper - ? Meech - Helm - Maltby Lidstrom - Rafalski Kronwall - Stuart Lilja - Ericsson Lebda Osgood Howard Cost: $52,822,424 Remaining Cap: $3,877,576 (assuming a $56.7 million cap next year) Everyone above is already signed next year. Ericsson and Howard have to come up. They're exposed to waivers otherwise. If you dump Lebda you've got $4,527,576 in cap room to sign Hossa, Hudler, Leino, and Samuelsson. I've brought Helm up since that seems to be Holland's intentions next year (I'll be flat out shocked if he doesn't bring Helm and a re-signed Leino up next season). Note that there are two roster spots vacant and Filppula and Cleary are playing above their reasonable capacity by having them on the 2nd line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 what is possible if... a) maltby retires b) draper retires or c) maltby and draper retire that is what everyone seems to be overlooking here. Not really. Maltby and Draper retiring will only save you 1.3 million combined IF you replace them with league minimum salary near rookie scrubs (note that nearly all rookis start over $500k). Doing so significantly impacts the quality of the team on the ice (face-offs go dooowwwnnnn, and so does leadership and the like). Neither Maltby nor Draper have the kind of contract that hurts your cap. Maltby makes $883,333 and Draper makes $1,583,333. Good luck finding similar players for a significantly cheaper price. One could argue Helm on the surface, but once you factor in reality that kind of falls apart (switching Helm for Draper is a huge risk, switching Helm for Maltby doesn't give you a right hand shot, but is otherwise fine). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 this team desperately needs an Abdelkader type player on the 4th line, please please please it'll get me through the regular season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drfnr14 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 i hate to say it in a time like this but goaltending???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
