Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) Seriously, folks. This is nothing. He got his penalty. He'll probably get lined up and creamed for it. Why are we beating this into the ground? note: i bet this thread goes 20 pages. What happened to the days where kids looked up porn and masturbated like good little virgins instead of HAVING to incite arguments? Edited April 21, 2009 by Rivalred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Ass punching and jumping guys at the faceoff? Yes commendable stuff I tell ya. And I don't give a s*** what Torts thinks, he's a habitual swearer on tv that was hated by his Tampa locker room. So his opinion of player conduct means nothing to me. What Avery did is no different from what has happened at the end of most of the playoff games so far. But yes, I'm new to hockey and jacking off to Crosby's picture right now. I knew I'd find you here in the Avery dogpile wagging your shame finger, who's got the obsession now? See ya in the next Crosby thread! esteef Bet you I can find posts like this about Crosby before that "ass punching" incident from you. Nice try. And yes, incidents like that have happened, and it's very strange that they've also resulted in suspensions, albeit not consistent enough for the league to be taken seriously on the matter. Oh, and also, I haven't really seen anyone else punch an opposing goalie in the head yet in these playoffs, especially when the game was out of reach like this, but since this sort of thing happens most playoff games, as you suggest, I'm sure you can find an arsenal of videos to prove such a claim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 What happened to the days where kids looked up porn and masturbated like good little virgins instead of HAVING to incite arguments? We can now multi-task! lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 We can now multi-task! lol. Sorry for the delayed response, I can only type so fast with 1 hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spydrwebb 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) avery's a clown, that's all. move along... nothing to see here. Edited April 21, 2009 by spydrwebb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Bet you I can find posts like this about Crosby before that "ass punching" incident from you. Nice try. And yes, incidents like that have happened, and it's very strange that they've also resulted in suspensions, albeit not consistent enough for the league to be taken seriously on the matter. Oh, and also, I haven't really seen anyone else punch an opposing goalie in the head yet in these playoffs, especially when the game was out of reach like this, but since this sort of thing happens most playoff games, as you suggest, I'm sure you can find an arsenal of videos to prove such a claim. Scrums, "message sending", actual fights, pushing and shoving, shots to the face/head/mask whatever, goalies getting run, etc. Yes there are examples of these things late in games or otherwise from this years playoffs, you go find them. I don't accept homework from posters. Nice try. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 792 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 The only problem I see is the precedent it sets. If Avery isn't punished then it's ok for the Caps to go punch Lundqvist in the head. This is where the message sending thing gets out of hand and is stupid. Avery should be suspended if the NHL is even semi-serious about eliminating message sending of this sort, and life goes on. im not sure i agree he was trying to send a messege after he got cross checked in the chest and then wacked in the leg with a goalie stick....i think he was just letting them know he wasn;t going to take their crap just like they don't take his. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holmstrom96 347 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Avery's a DB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoogs 8 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Avery's a DB. He's a DataBase?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) If I were the Caps I'd be hoping he doesn't get suspended. 0 points, -1 +/- and 20 PIM in the playoffs. He's a total liability to his team. Moron. Exactly. Everytime the playoffs roll around I have to hear about the "Avery factor" 1000 times. Analysts talk about him like he's the 2nd coming of Gretzky thinking that his particular skill set can push his team past anyone. He has a total of 21 playoff games and has never been past the 2nd round. "OOOH! Look out! Here comes Avery!!!" The guy is a 3rd line checker at best and he costs his team more wins than he earns. In all seriousness he should be in a psych-ward instead of an ice rink. Total loser. Edited April 21, 2009 by Hank Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Scrums, "message sending", actual fights, pushing and shoving, shots to the face/head/mask whatever, goalies getting run, etc. Yes there are examples of these things late in games or otherwise from this years playoffs, you go find them. I don't accept homework from posters. Nice try. esteef I didn't make the assertion that this has happened all throughout the playoffs, even though it's obvious scums have occurred, but no punches to a goalie's head, so it isn't my job to do your homework for you. Pushing and shoving, facewashing, whatever, these things occur nearly every whistle (and almost never to the goalie as it is), not waiting until way after the whistle to sucker punch a goalie in the head which would have got this sort of attention no matter who it is. You haven't provided one example to back up your claim so that pretty much sums up it's worth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 I didn't make the assertion that this has happened all throughout the playoffs, even though it's obvious scums have occurred, but no punches to a goalie's head, so it isn't my job to do your homework for you. Pushing and shoving, facewashing, whatever, these things occur nearly every whistle (and almost never to the goalie as it is), not waiting until way after the whistle to sucker punch a goalie in the head which would have got this sort of attention no matter who it is. You haven't provided one example to back up your claim so that pretty much sums up it's worth. It's typical agitation and nothing more Mr. technical, which happens all the time. If you can't see it then too bad for you. Newsflash, I don't have to "prove" s*** to you. Good day! esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzermania 156 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 for f***'s sake, that wasn't even a punch, he more or less pushed his face, which isn't protected by a big goalie mask or anything, get over it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 I didn't make the assertion that this has happened all throughout the playoffs, even though it's obvious scums have occurred, but no punches to a goalie's head, so it isn't my job to do your homework for you. Pushing and shoving, facewashing, whatever, these things occur nearly every whistle (and almost never to the goalie as it is), not waiting until way after the whistle to sucker punch a goalie in the head which would have got this sort of attention no matter who it is. You haven't provided one example to back up your claim so that pretty much sums up it's worth. Shoreline, I guess it's a matter of perspective. If you see what happened as Avery sucker-punching a goalie, then I guess you would be justified in your outrage and in wanting him suspended. That's not what I saw when I watched the game yesterday, and it's not what I see watching the replay. I equate what I saw to a hard facewash or a shove, which as you said happen after every whistle. It is true that these things don't usually happen to the goalie, which is why the penalty he received was justifiable. But a suspension for something as common as a facewash or a shove ... not from my perspective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 21, 2009 It's typical agitation and nothing more Mr. technical, which happens all the time. Typical punches to a goalie's head in these playoffs? Video pls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 792 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 I didn't make the assertion that this has happened all throughout the playoffs, even though it's obvious scums have occurred, but no punches to a goalie's head, so it isn't my job to do your homework for you. Pushing and shoving, facewashing, whatever, these things occur nearly every whistle (and almost never to the goalie as it is), not waiting until way after the whistle to sucker punch a goalie in the head which would have got this sort of attention no matter who it is. You haven't provided one example to back up your claim so that pretty much sums up it's worth. shoreline..not to get in some argument with you...but what do you think of him getting the cross check and then the stick check by the goalie? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 119 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) shoreline..not to get in some argument with you...but what do you think of him getting the cross check and then the stick check by the goalie? you don't have to argue with him .. I answered that already....His reputation earned him that cross check and everything that followed. It's gonna come down to him not being able to look at someone without taking a penalty...then where is his value.....The whole Point Im trying to make is he is a disgrace to himself. Why would anyone want to be remembered for being a P.O.S player like he is get off his jock....he got what came to him because of the type of player he is.....period Edited April 21, 2009 by Hockeytown_Ryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Typical punches to a goalie's head in these playoffs? Video pls. See every facewash since the playoffs started. Next! esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 you don't have to argue with him .. I answered that already....His reputation earned him that cross check and everything that followed. It's gonna come down to him not being able to look at someone without taking a penalty...then where is his value.....The whole Point Im trying to make is he is a disgrace to himself. Why would anyone want to be remembered for being a P.O.S player like he is get off his jock....he got what came to him because of the type of player he is.....period So the rest of the league can hack and whack Avery but he can't do anything back or he's just being typical Avery. Got it. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 you don't have to argue with him .. I answered that already....His reputation earned him that cross check and everything that followed. It's gonna come down to him not being able to look at someone without taking a penalty...then where is his value.....The whole Point Im trying to make is he is a disgrace to himself. Why would anyone want to be remembered for being a P.O.S player like he is get off his jock....he got what came to him because of the type of player he is.....period That's fine, but not really relevant. The crux of the argument is whether he should be suspended for his ACTIONS, not for being a disgraceful human being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) shoreline..not to get in some argument with you...but what do you think of him getting the cross check and then the stick check by the goalie? Those two things occur all the time. Ask the Red Wings. Homer gets all of this by himself. He doesn't go and punch the goalie in the head some 10 seconds after the fact. The reason Avery is doing this is to bait players of the opposing team into committing an act that may cause injury. That is where there needs to be a "cut off" point, and that point is not waiting until something happens like that. That is, if you care to argue the semantics of it. The obvious thing here is the league wants this out of the league, and if they are serious they will come down on Avery here. Otherwise, this whole spiel against "message sending" is a joke like their refereeing. Edited April 21, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 792 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 you don't have to argue with him .. I answered that already....His reputation earned him that cross check and everything that followed. It's gonna come down to him not being able to look at someone without taking a penalty...then where is his value.....The whole Point Im trying to make is he is a disgrace to himself. Why would anyone want to be remembered for being a P.O.S player like he is get off his jock....he got what came to him because of the type of player he is.....period so with the get off his jock comment i think you need to step out from behind bettmans ass. if it were you and you got a crosscheck and then goalie giving a stick check you would just skate off thats bull s***...there would be a scrum and you know it. all avrey did was skate by and give him a nub to the mask..nothing more. he got a pen for christ sake....asking for a game suspention is stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Also I think it's worth noting (and I'm not a big fan of the old appeal to authority, but here goes ... ) that there has been, to my knowledge, no indication that the NHL is planning on having a hearing with Avery. They were pretty quick in disciplining Lucic and Carcillo, and they sure as hell aren't going to cut Avery any slack. If this remains the case (no hearing), it's a pretty clear indication that the NHL doesn't see this as being a particularly serious offense. Doesn't mean you have to agree with the NHL, but it is what it is... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) See every facewash since the playoffs started. Next! esteef Two-hander to the goalie's head? Legal! There's crosschecks happening all the time! Next! Edited April 21, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drwscc 212 Report post Posted April 21, 2009 Now it's a "two hander?" Pretty soon Avery's tap to his helmet is going to turn in to Jim Ross screaming about a slobberknocker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
