StevieY'sguy 1 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I got to thinking recently about some of the Wings transactions over the past 10-12 years and i realized that there have been very few players that the Wings have traded away or gotten rid of that went on to have successful careers or continued their success at a similar level that they had with the Wings. I am just spitballing here: Players that haven't amounted to much: Anders Eriksson, Jason Williams, Joey Macdonald, Jaime Pushor, Dmitri Bykow, Jesse Wallin, Maxim Kuznetsov, Jaimie Rivers, Mathieu Dandenault, Aaron Ward, Kevin Hodson, Jason Woolley, Darryl Bootland Players that have had solid careers post wings: Slava Kozlov (other then Yzerman was my favorite wing back in the day), Keith Primeau, Mike Knuble, Kyle Quincey (off to a promising start), Sean Avery??? Feel free to add, these are just off the top of my head, the wings seem to have pretty good foresight! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteLightning91 105 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 The only player I can think of that you missed is Tomas Fleischmann, who was part of the Robert Lang trade. He was a solid player but a redundant type of prospect so we could afford to trade him. I think he will have a solid career since his numbers have only gone up since he first played in the Show and the Capitals' system is perfect for his style of play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 The only player I can think of that you missed is Tomas Fleischmann, who was part of the Robert Lang trade. He was a solid player but a redundant type of prospect so we could afford to trade him. I think he will have a solid career since his numbers have only gone up since he first played in the Show and the Capitals' system is perfect for his style of play. I was expecting someone to post this. From what I've heard from Caps fans, hes essentially a Mikael Samuelsson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I wish we still had Kozlov, Dandy, Ward, and Knuble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeytownRules19 902 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 Shawn Matthias.... given to Florida in the Bertuzzi trade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteLightning91 105 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I was expecting someone to post this. From what I've heard from Caps fans, hes essentially a Mikael Samuelsson. Except Samuelsson has reached his potential, where as Fleischmann hasn't yet. I'm not sour grapes over the trade. Like I said, he was another undersized, offensive-minded, perimeter playing Euro. Something that we had plenty of at the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Ruff 47 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 Shawn Matthias.... given to Florida in the Bertuzzi trade He's played a total of 20 NHL games... I don't think he can be considered either a dud or success yet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjd06e 10 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 we traded the pick to Washington that turned into Green, does that count? beside that Wings front office has made a lot of great moves Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 we traded the pick to Washington that turned into Green, does that count? If that is true, that is a kick in the balls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jedi 1,865 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 we traded the pick to Washington that turned into Green, does that count? beside that Wings front office has made a lot of great moves Yeah, but given who the Wings tend to draft, there's no guarantee that we would have drafted Green anyway... It's a whole case of shoulda coulda woulda. Who knows who we would have picked, and how they would have turned out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MotorCityMadness 388 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 not to take away anything from a great career, but Paul Coffey was traded for Shanny and look what happened after that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-TownWing 0 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 Players that have had solid careers post wings: Slava Kozlov (other then Yzerman was my favorite wing back in the day), Keith Primeau, Mike Knuble, Kyle Quincey (off to a promising start), Sean Avery??? Given what we got for Kozzie and Primeau (one of my personal faves) in particular, I can't complain too much. Gotta give something to get something. Quincey was difficult, since we gave up a good player for nothing, but we were in a tough spot. Like others have said, I could give a crap about Fleischmann and Matthias at this point, wake me when either one does something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
06TJSport 0 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I got to thinking recently about some of the Wings transactions over the past 10-12 years and i realized that there have been very few players that the Wings have traded away or gotten rid of that went on to have successful careers or continued their success at a similar level that they had with the Wings. I am just spitballing here: Players that haven't amounted to much: Anders Eriksson, Jason Williams, Joey Macdonald, Jaime Pushor, Dmitri Bykow, Jesse Wallin, Maxim Kuznetsov, Jaimie Rivers, Mathieu Dandenault, Aaron Ward, Kevin Hodson, Jason Woolley, Darryl Bootland Players that have had solid careers post wings: Slava Kozlov (other then Yzerman was my favorite wing back in the day), Keith Primeau, Mike Knuble, Kyle Quincey (off to a promising start), Sean Avery??? Feel free to add, these are just off the top of my head, the wings seem to have pretty good foresight! Woolley was at the end of his career when he came here, we didn't get rid of him, he retired. Bykov wasn't traded, he left to go back to Russia. Williams and Ward have been solid players where ever they have gone. Williams was an undrafted free agent and was a significant contributor on a playoff team this year, I hardly call that a dud or not amounting to much. Ward was a solid defenseman on Carolina's cup winning team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 Shawn Matthias.... given to Florida in the Bertuzzi trade And he hasn't done s*** since. He had two good games in Florida. Seriously- that's it. People have him pegged as a blue-chip prospect but in my opinion that's got more to do with his size than anything else. He could be really good, but he hasn't shown much if any progress this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 Yeah, but given who the Wings tend to draft, there's no guarantee that we would have drafted Green anyway... It's a whole case of shoulda coulda woulda. Who knows who we would have picked, and how they would have turned out. I've got to agree with Jedi here. Odds are the Wings would have a completely different draft plan mapped out that likely wouldn't have included Green. Green's a Canadian so he'd be fast-tracking it to the NHL- that's counter to the draft and develop slowly in Europe plan the Wings ran in Green's draft year. Similar thing is going on now- the CBA gives American College bound players extra development time and the international rules for player signings changed in 06 such that slow burning players like they did in Europe before is much, much tougher... guess what kind of player the Wings have drafted with their high picks since then? Players who plan on going to US Colleges... The Wings have a very structured draft system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteLightning91 105 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I've got to agree with Jedi here. Odds are the Wings would have a completely different draft plan mapped out that likely wouldn't have included Green. Green's a Canadian so he'd be fast-tracking it to the NHL- that's counter to the draft and develop slowly in Europe plan the Wings ran in Green's draft year. Similar thing is going on now- the CBA gives American College bound players extra development time and the international rules for player signings changed in 06 such that slow burning players like they did in Europe before is much, much tougher... guess what kind of player the Wings have drafted with their high picks since then? Players who plan on going to US Colleges... The Wings have a very structured draft system. Actually, since there is no longer an IIHF agreement in place right now, teams hold onto the rights of European prospects indefinitely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 Actually, since there is no longer an IIHF agreement in place right now, teams hold onto the rights of European prospects indefinitely. That's the issue right there. The lack of an agreement doesn't help you either. Holding their rights in perpetuity is cool for prospects you probably wouldn't have signed, but the lack of an agreement with the IIHF is a bad thing if you're talking about blue-chip prospects. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteLightning91 105 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 That's the issue right there. The lack of an agreement doesn't help you either. Holding their rights in perpetuity is cool for prospects you probably wouldn't have signed, but the lack of an agreement with the IIHF is a bad thing if you're talking about blue-chip prospects. I fail to see how that's an issue. If I remember correctly, the last IIHF agreement was you must sign European prospects within 2 years of when they were drafted. If we're talking about a blue-chip European prospect, then it wouldn't matter whether there was an agreement. You would surely sign them within 2 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tane 17 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 Yan Golubovski, Darryl Laplante, Yuri Butsayev, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I don't know if I'd throw Joey Mac on the dud pile yet ... he got 46 starts for the Islanders this year in place of DiPietro, and while his numbers weren't great, I seem to recall him having some pretty good games for them. That, and they're the freaking Islanders. Not saying he's the next Luongo, but he might have a future yet ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I don't know if I'd throw Joey Mac on the dud pile yet ... he got 46 starts for the Islanders this year in place of DiPietro, and while his numbers weren't great, I seem to recall him having some pretty good games for them. That, and they're the freaking Islanders. Not saying he's the next Luongo, but he might have a future yet ... This. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I fail to see how that's an issue. If I remember correctly, the last IIHF agreement was you must sign European prospects within 2 years of when they were drafted. If we're talking about a blue-chip European prospect, then it wouldn't matter whether there was an agreement. You would surely sign them within 2 years. But no one has to respect that contract outside the NHL. A KHL club, putting that league's apparent financial issues aside, could offer your first overall draft pick an inane amount of money- something they could never get until 4 years down the road in the NHL. In that situation you're s*** out of luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 119 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 traded Adam Oates to St. Louis.....He turned out pretty good eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY'sguy 1 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I know he left as a Free agent, but Marty Lapointe never quite had as much success after he left the Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1110 184 Report post Posted April 25, 2009 I got to thinking recently about some of the Wings transactions over the past 10-12 years and i realized that there have been very few players that the Wings have traded away or gotten rid of that went on to have successful careers or continued their success at a similar level that they had with the Wings. I am just spitballing here: Players that haven't amounted to much: Anders Eriksson, Jason Williams, Joey Macdonald, Jaime Pushor, Dmitri Bykow, Jesse Wallin, Maxim Kuznetsov, Jaimie Rivers, Mathieu Dandenault, Aaron Ward, Kevin Hodson, Jason Woolley, Darryl Bootland Players that have had solid careers post wings: Slava Kozlov (other then Yzerman was my favorite wing back in the day), Keith Primeau, Mike Knuble, Kyle Quincey (off to a promising start), Sean Avery??? Feel free to add, these are just off the top of my head, the wings seem to have pretty good foresight! when we played against joey macdonald he was fanaminal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
