dawings1905 2 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 And I merely told you that your opinion is completely RETARDED. I don't know if you watch a lot of hockey, but you need 3 players to make a good line. If your grandmother is the other winger on the Datsyuk-Hossa line, guess what's going to happen to Datsyuk and Hossa? Yah, they're going to suck together. Same with Zetterberg and Datsyuk. Same with Franzen and Datsyuk. Same with Jesus and Datsyuk. It takes 3 players to make a good line. There's a reason Holmstrom has been DEMOTED to the 4th line and Abdelkader is in his spot. It's called "HOLMSTROM SUCKS 5 on 5". What part of this do you not understand? Go back and watch the games, please. Holmstrom skates blue line to blue line. Pavel and Hossa skate goal line to goal line. You know why Holmstrom can't skate goal line to goal line? Because he FREAKING SUCKS 5 on 5, ok!!! Get rid of your HHO, ok? The guy's days on the Wings are numbered, and his effectiveness and role on the team are CLEARLY dwindling. Why do so many people treat Tomas Holmstrom like he's #19 around here? I don't understand the HHO, and never will. In the playoffs, the guy is a good power play agitator. It STOPS THERE. P.S. Did you even notice what happened when the coach moved Holmstrom and Datsyuk to play with Zetterberg? Yah, the ZDH line started sucking too. That's why he QUICKLY moved Cleary in to fill Holmstrom's spot. Coach finally picked up on the fact that HOLMSTROM was causing the problem. That's why he's on the 4th line now. Enough Said. Dude, Jake.....chill out. You talk about others reading comprehension, but you are the one that seems like you are having difficulty with the comprehension. This guy said nothing about Homer. Babs switch other folks up there with Hoss and Dats, and they still did nothing. So it is more than just Homer. Ok, I used the word Homer.....is this where you go off on me and tell me how much he sucks.....even though I said nothing about him adding anything to that line?? The guys point was that Dats and Hoss don't play well together (REGARDLESS OF WHO IS ON THE OTHER WING)......Get it??? So you can stop bashing everyone for Homer, because no one here is saying he should be on a line with Hoss and Dats. Got it? Wow dude, get a grip! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Wow @ Jake Ryan. Who pissed in your cheerios this morning? I'm just getting sick of people knocking Datsyuk. It's so lame. The guy has won a selke trophy, led the team in points, and is nominated for 3 other trophies right now, including both MVP awards. Yet, he's the FIRST guy everybody gets on when adversity strikes the team. It's ridiculous. ESPECIALLY when it's not his fault. The other team marks him with a forward and a defenseman, and the reason they can do this is because the coach has his HHO in full effect. Watch the games again and watch the activity of Tomas Holmstrom. Watch him wait at the blue line for the outlet pass while Datsyuk and Hossa dig down low to break up the Ducks' cycle. Watch Datsyuk and Hossa catch up to Holmstrom and go by him at the other blue line as Holmstrom lags behind the play. It's never Holmstrom breaking down a wing to cut in on the goalie and jam the puck in as he runs over the goalie. It's Holmstrom to the outside where he won't get held, hooked, or slashed quite as badly. Meanwhile, Datsyuk and Hossa take the bad rap for having to play in virtually a short handed situation because their line-mate is a LOUSY 5 on 5 player. I can't believe people rip on Hossa and Datsyuk. It's hilarious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zata20 4 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Personally, I love these lines. It's great to see Abby get a chance in the top two lines. If he does what he is supposed to do he will give more space for Hossa & Dats. He is a guy that provides energy while grinding out and going hard into the corners. He also has a scoring touch. I agree putting Holmer on the fourth line is a good idea until he can elevate his game to where it should be. He has been pretty ineffective, but you have to give a lot of credit to Pronger for boxing out Homer in front of the net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 (edited) I'm just getting sick of people knocking Datsyuk. It's so lame. The guy has won a selke trophy, led the team in points, and is nominated for 3 other trophies right now, including both MVP awards. Yet, he's the FIRST guy everybody gets on when adversity strikes the team. It's ridiculous. ESPECIALLY when it's not his fault. The other team marks him with a forward and a defenseman, and the reason they can do this is because the coach has his HHO in full effect. Watch the games again and watch the activity of Tomas Holmstrom. Watch him wait at the blue line for the outlet pass while Datsyuk and Hossa dig down low to break up the Ducks' cycle. Watch Datsyuk and Hossa catch up to Holmstrom and go by him at the other blue line as Holmstrom lags behind the play. It's never Holmstrom breaking down a wing to cut in on the goalie and jam the puck in as he runs over the goalie. It's Holmstrom to the outside where he won't get held, hooked, or slashed quite as badly. Meanwhile, Datsyuk and Hossa take the bad rap for having to play in virtually a short handed situation because their line-mate is a LOUSY 5 on 5 player. I can't believe people rip on Hossa and Datsyuk. It's hilarious. I certainly did not write that Datsyuk and Hossa suck as players or that they are bad players. They just do not work well together. Zetterberg and Hossa is even worse combo. Gretzky did not play well with Brett Hull, but they were still great players. Edited May 16, 2009 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 but you need 3 players to make a good line. What number comes after 2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Dude, Jake.....chill out. You talk about others reading comprehension, but you are the one that seems like you are having difficulty with the comprehension. This guy said nothing about Homer. Babs switch other folks up there with Hoss and Dats, and they still did nothing. So it is more than just Homer. Ok, I used the word Homer.....is this where you go off on me and tell me how much he sucks.....even though I said nothing about him adding anything to that line?? The guys point was that Dats and Hoss don't play well together (REGARDLESS OF WHO IS ON THE OTHER WING)......Get it??? So you can stop bashing everyone for Homer, because no one here is saying he should be on a line with Hoss and Dats. Got it? Wow dude, get a grip! And my point is that this statement is COMPLETELY unfounded. Datsyuk had 97 points playing with Hossa all season and is nominated for 3 trophies. Hossa had 40 plus goals and a solid 2 way game. NHL.COM. How is this "not playing well together" again? Help me understand your logic. There's ONE variable that was unchanged for the most part. Datsyuk-Holmstrom. Game 7 saw Babcock finally put Homer where he truly belongs (12th forward/power play specialist), and Datsyuk didn't disappoint when he finally got to play on a line without Homer (Samuelsson Goal). You guys might be right that I'm blowing up a little too much, but I HATE people criticizing Pavel Datsyuk. This guy is a MONSTER for our team. He's AWESOME, and if he's being marked by a forward and a defenseman in a series, then it's the responsibility of his line-mate(s) who get to play in the vacated space to take advantage and pressure the other team until they have to play Pavel straight up. Holmstrom OBVIOUSLY cannot do this. You could put a parking cone on Holmstrom's wing, and that would stop him from scoring 5 on 5. It's not hard to find the weakness on any line Holmstrom's on during 5 on 5 play. Babcock has made the adjustment. Now it's time for any people who are still holding onto their HHO to make the adjustment, as well. That's all I'm saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 What number comes after 2? 3, of course! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 And my point is that this statement is COMPLETELY unfounded. Datsyuk had 97 points playing with Hossa all season and is nominated for 3 trophies. Hossa had 40 plus goals and a solid 2 way game. NHL.COM. How is this "not playing well together" again? Help me understand your logic. There's ONE variable that was unchanged for the most part. Datsyuk-Holmstrom. Game 7 saw Babcock finally put Homer where he truly belongs (12th forward/power play specialist), and Datsyuk didn't disappoint when he finally got to play on a line without Homer (Samuelsson Goal). a) Hossa and Datsyuk have not played together for the whole season b) playoff game != regular season game Holmstrom has nothing to do with that. Hossa - Datsyuk are bad even on PP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Stop quoting this guy. He's entitled to his opinion, even if it is laced with belligerence and emotion as opposed to cold-hard facts, but damn, I don't need to see giant 3s and MVPs all over this ******* thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 a) Hossa and Datsyuk have not played together for the whole season b) playoff game != regular season game Holmstrom has nothing to do with that. Hossa - Datsyuk are bad even on PP. Ok. You're right. I'm happy that Holmstrom's on the 4th line and NOT on Pavel Datsyuk's line. You're UN-Happy that Datsyuk and Hossa are playing together. Why should I be upset at this, again? Let's just move on. I'll let Abdelkader show you how good Datsyuk and Hossa can be together. And I hope that Babcock continues to use Holmstrom on the PP, and Homer bangs in 3 or 4 pp goals. Then we can both be happy with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 I have a whole lot of faith in this team to get the job done regardless of who plays on what line; names and numbers matter very little. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrSandMan Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Anyone else think that Abby has the upside potential to be a similar Helm-type-player? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phazon 24 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Jake ryan, you're an idiot for bringing up regular season all the time. Datsyuk your save in grace hero of the univerese has not played as great SO FAR in the playoffs as he did in the regular season. Just accept the fact and stop praising the guy as he would be the conn smythe winner so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lidstrom for life 20 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 My first thought when I saw these lines was that this might mean Leino is in for Abdelkader, remember the Leino-Datsyuk-Hossa line from the Washington game? Although as much as I would love to see Leino in, Abdelkader has earned the right to play IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,150 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Swammi says " I think Maltby has seen his last playoff game this season!" hopefully he'll retire! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 mindfly says: "We're doomed with these lines, Blackhawks in four." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 No offense Franzen and Hossa probably only had 1 good game together. Everything else was Franzen alone or with Zetts. That's 50% of the games they've played together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,150 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 This is an experiment. Next season Abby, Helm, Leino will be permamnent Red Wings! (and Hossa) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrSandMan Report post Posted May 16, 2009 What kind of player should we expect Abby to form into, a Helm kinda guy, fast, can score and hit/grind? I haven't really noticed his speed, tho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Anyway, I knew babcocks would make a stupid decision to go back to these lines. I hope he has a short tolerance for these lines. If Hossa or Datsyuk don't score in the first game, I want the lines we had in game 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 What kind of player should we expect Abby to form into, a Helm kinda guy, fast, can score and hit/grind? I haven't really noticed his speed, tho If you want a comparison, I think he'll at least be a McCarty type. But we didn't think Johan Franzen would be as good as he is today. It's still possible that Abs can become a power forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Anyway, I knew babcocks would make a stupid decision to go back to these lines. I hope he has a short tolerance for these lines. If Hossa or Datsyuk don't score in the first game, I want the lines we had in game 4. Over the last 2 seasons, only one thing about Babcock's decisions can be questioned, and that's the timing of the decisions. He has made GREAT decisions. 1) Get Osgood in there for Hasek last year = Great 2) Go to the net instead of shooting from the perimeter = Great 3) Get Holmstrom THE F$%K OFF of Datsyuk's line = Great The only thing that can be said of these decisions is that they should have been made sooner. But unlike Dave Lewis, Babcock recognizes a problem and fixes it (eventually). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 AMAZING HOW SOMEPEOPLE HAVE NO READING AND COMPREHENSION. Let me translate this for you, since you must not be able to determine the reason Datsyuk and Hossa suffered together. TOMAS HOLMSTROM SUCKS 5 on 5 and has a VERY LIMITED roll on the Red Wings during tough playoff series. Ninety-SUX poisoned Datsyuk throughout the Ducks series, and coach Babcock has figured this out. Did you read the opening post at all? Abdelkader and Holmstrom switch spots. End of story. It's not "Coach going to try Datsyuk and Hossa out again" or "Datsyuk looking to rebound". It's "Abdelkader skating in what WASHolmstrom's spot". PLEASE NO MORE BLAME ON DATSYUK. 13 is a freaking wizard, but he and one other linemate cannot play 2 on 3. No 2 players in the NHL can be effective against 3 other forwards. That's called being SHORT HANDED. In effect, that's what Tomas Holmstrom does when he plays 5 on 5. He's slow and not very skilled. Ninety SUX has one job on this team now: Bang in Power Play goals. That's it. Anyone who watched all of the games against Anaheim knows this. And the STATISTICS are evidence if you're still not convinced. The "Holmstrom Hard-On" is a tough thing to get rid of because the guy has been a good player in years past and is well liked in Detroit. Even Babcock had a hard time getting rid of his HHO. But he figured it out. You should too. Wow.... ******* much? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 And I merely told you that your opinion is completely RETARDED. I don't know if you watch a lot of hockey, but you need 3 players to make a good line. If your grandmother is the other winger on the Datsyuk-Hossa line, guess what's going to happen to Datsyuk and Hossa? Yah, they're going to suck together. Same with Zetterberg and Datsyuk. Same with Franzen and Datsyuk. Same with Jesus and Datsyuk. It takes 3 players to make a good line. There's a reason Holmstrom has been DEMOTED to the 4th line and Abdelkader is in his spot. It's called "HOLMSTROM SUCKS 5 on 5". What part of this do you not understand? Go back and watch the games, please. Holmstrom skates blue line to blue line. Pavel and Hossa skate goal line to goal line. You know why Holmstrom can't skate goal line to goal line? Because he FREAKING SUCKS 5 on 5, ok!!! Get rid of your HHO, ok? The guy's days on the Wings are numbered, and his effectiveness and role on the team are CLEARLY dwindling. Why do so many people treat Tomas Holmstrom like he's #19 around here? I don't understand the HHO, and never will. In the playoffs, the guy is a good power play agitator. It STOPS THERE. P.S. Did you even notice what happened when the coach moved Holmstrom and Datsyuk to play with Zetterberg? Yah, the ZDH line started sucking too. That's why he QUICKLY moved Cleary in to fill Holmstrom's spot. Coach finally picked up on the fact that HOLMSTROM was causing the problem. That's why he's on the 4th line now. Enough Said. Holy f***. Go swallow a knife. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted May 16, 2009 Anyone else think that Abby has the upside potential to be a similar Helm-type-player? A solid 3rd/4th liner who contributes physically to the team and sometimes scores the odd goal? Yeah, that's what the scouts have him pegged as. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
