The end of hockey as we know it...

[truebladearmy 33]

stop whining f***.

whipe your tears. they missed a too many men call. 3rd period call was as text book as you can get!

You're implying for 21 seconds, that the best Refs in the league, didn't notice six people on the ice?

Guys, trained and honed to make instantaneous calls, didn't notice for 21 seconds straight?

Sure bud. What exactly, where they looking for, when they didn't notice for nearly half a minute, there were too many men on the ice?

I hate to say it, but I genuinely am starting to believe that Hockey is going the way of Basketball. Ie. If one team is up 2-0, just pretend that 2 refs, and 2 linesman (Any of the 4 of whom can make the call), don't notice for 21 seconds that one team has an extra guy on the ice?

[Stevie4Pres 0]

All the penalties on Detroit were their own fault. If there is a conspiracy it certainly wasn't evident in last nights game.

1) Cleary holding: Bonehead move by Cleary on an innocent play

2) Franzen tripping: His stick got tied up in the guy's feet. It wasn't intentional but the ref has to call it.

3) Ericsson interference: Pitt never touched the puck, Ericsson got a little lazy and stepped into the guy. Obvious call, Ericsson's fault.

Both teams got their non-calls. How 'bout we talk about the Red Wings inability to clear the zone and how Pitt's aggressive forecheck forced a lot of turnovers in our own end?

They played desperation hockey and came out on top. This was essentially an elimination game for the pens (down 3-0 is near impossible to come back from, especially against a team like Detroit) so they threw everything they had at the Wings.

No conspiracy. The refs were fine. Let's take the next game in Pittsburgh and come back to Detroit and win the cup on home ice!!!!

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

You're implying for 21 seconds, that the best Refs in the league, didn't notice six people on the ice?

Guys, trained and honed to make instantaneous calls, didn't notice for 21 seconds straight?

Sure bud. What exactly, where they looking for, when they didn't notice for nearly half a minute, there were too many men on the ice?

I hate to say it, but I genuinely am starting to believe that Hockey is going the way of Basketball. Ie. If one team is up 2-0, just pretend that 2 refs, and 2 linesman (Any of the 4 of whom can make the call), don't notice for 21 seconds that one team has an extra guy on the ice?

You have options....

[truebladearmy 33]

All the penalties on Detroit were their own fault. If there is a conspiracy it certainly wasn't evident in last nights game.

1) Cleary holding: Bonehead move by Cleary on an innocent play

2) Franzen tripping: His stick got tied up in the guy's feet. It wasn't intentional but the ref has to call it.

3) Ericsson interference: Pitt never touched the puck, Ericsson got a little lazy and stepped into the guy. Obvious call, Ericsson's fault.

Both teams got their non-calls. How 'bout we talk about the Red Wings inability to clear the zone and how Pitt's aggressive forecheck forced a lot of turnovers in our own end?

They played desperation hockey and came out on top. This was essentially an elimination game for the pens (down 3-0 is near impossible to come back from, especially against a team like Detroit) so they threw everything they had at the Wings.

No conspiracy. The refs were fine. Let's take the next game in Pittsburgh and come back to Detroit and win the cup on home ice!!!!

I think half a minute of an extra man on the ice, is a bit simpler than a tripping, holding, or interference calls.

Those calls are made based on 1 second of flaw.

Seemed to be simple enough calling plays that lasted for 1 seconds.

What about the ones that lasted for half a minute damn near?

Perhaps pittsburgh should just start out 6 on 5 next game?

[truebladearmy 33]

You have options....

Perhaps the part where Detroit was yelling from the bench?

Mayhap you feel our "Option" is to play like we're on the penalty kill, when Pittsburgh decides to throw extra guys on the ice?

Dirty dirty team

Talk about our hits, and our play all you want, at least Detroit has NEVER just snuck an extra player onto the ice, and kept him there.

Unless you want to imply that your coach, doesn't know when he has 6 on the ice, versus 5?

4 refs, 6 players, and a coach didn't notice. But somehow, 20,000 fans, and a full Detroit bench did.

Odd. Very odd.

If Jesus played hockey, he couldn't even have accomplished that.

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

nope. I meant you. You have options.It's not a perfect world, or a perfect game. It's gonna be what it's gonna be. So you could:

*stop watching hockey, if it truly upsets you that much.

*continue watching and complaining

*continue watching and stop complaining.

I should note, I'm not judging you for your opinion. Just saying that if it bugs you that much you could stop watching. I have done that in the past, because I just couldn't stand it anymore. My boycott has never lasted more than a game or two.LOL

[truebladearmy 33]

nope. I meant you. You have options.It's not a perfect world, or a perfect game. It's gonna be what it's gonna be. So you could:

*stop watching hockey, if it truly upsets you that much.

*continue watching and complaining

*continue watching and stop complaining.

I should note, I'm not judging you for your opinion. Just saying that if it bugs you that much you could stop watching. I have done that in the past, because I just couldn't stand it anymore. My boycott has never lasted more than a game or two.LOL

I think, you're on our forums.

That said, I can and will complain, when and how I choose.

Secondly, I pretty much guarantee I've been watching hockey longer than most, and very likely longer than you. I can't genuinely make this claim, since I have no idea how long you have been watching Hockey.

Thirdly, It's not really so much that I'm "bugged", as it is that ....... well, find any flaw in my argument? ANY flaw?

I know s*** happens.

So how about this? Instead of discounting my argument with a "Get out of here" style argument, a better alternative for you might be to......read, reply if you have a debate, and shut up if you don't. It's easy enough to tell someone to "Get out". Doesn't do much for your credibility to base you're entire post around that type of statement.

You didn't argue any points. If you aren't going to bring something to the discussion, whom exactly are you to ask that someone should leave it?

Simply being a "Mature" troll, doesn't make you any less of a troll.

Edited June 3, 2009 by truebladearmy

[Stevie4Pres 0]

I think half a minute of an extra man on the ice, is a bit simpler than a tripping, holding, or interference calls.

Those calls are made based on 1 second of flaw.

Seemed to be simple enough calling plays that lasted for 1 seconds.

What about the ones that lasted for half a minute damn near?

Perhaps pittsburgh should just start out 6 on 5 next game?

I totally agree that the refs blew that call. It was blatantly obvious and it sucks but I don't think that it was some sort of Bettman/NHL/referee conspiracy nonsense. It was just a terrible non-call and it happens both ways.

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

You missed my point. I wasn't telling you to go away. Or stop posting. Or stop complaining. I did go OT a little by not addressing your argument, because I happen to agree with it. But I didn't discard your argument. Been a Wings fan since the early 70's. I never claimed to be mature...just old. lol. Seems like it's merely a misunderstanding on our forum, yes?

[kegacide 0]

people on this board love to act like the NHL hates the wings... its not like we're Columbus or something, we are a major market for the NHL...

yes they would love to see Crosby win something and a young exciting Penguins team become a force in the league... but its no skin off the NHL's back if the Red Wings win...

were there questionable calls, of course, but there are no conspiracies to extend the series, its just the way things happen sometimes... get over it

[xxblackenedxx 0]

Look, the officiating has been bad for both sides all series. Detroit has got away with a ton, just like Pittsburgh. You have to play through it. Can't wait till game 4!

[BewareThePenguin 1]

like the nba, the nhl is well on its way to becoming nothing more than professional wrestling. david stern killed basketball, and his prodigy Gary Bettman IS going to kill basketball. It is no longer about the love of a pure game, but business...its not about "the best man shall win," its about "the most profitable events shall occur."

tonight was a perfect example. it could be argued that last year's series was as well. if detroit goes up 3-0, no one's watching game 4. the penguins are probably giving up, its a blowout, a 4 game sweep, and mr. casual hockey fan says how boring and tunes into the WWNBA.

#1) goal #1 - i thought ozzie was interfered with just prior to the shot.

#2) goal #2 - six men on the ice for 21 seconds!?! you have got to be f-ing kidding me. Even ESPN and Bary Melrose are saying the wings got robbed (which won't happen anymore once hockey gets put back on espn...see cleveland cavs commentary). should've been a power play for detroit, probably go into the 3rd at least 2-1, instead its a power play for pittsburgh and they go into the 3rd tied.

#3) goal #3 - bullcrap penalty on pittsburgh. power play shouldnt have happened.

I HOPE YOU ENJOYED PROFESSIONAL HOCKEY because ITS OVER NOW. as in basketball, we'll probably all end up having to watch less talent at the college level to see a pure game.

My team lost, so now it's a conspiracy!!!!!!

You left out Detroit getting away with a blatant pick on their PP goal -- guess that makes it WWF too.

Believe me, there were tons of people saying the same things when Zetterberg got away with his little palming trick. Spare me the whining, please.

[wingsdiehard13 33]

My team lost, so now it's a conspiracy!!!!!!

Exactly.

[NHLrules? 32]

My team lost, so now it's a conspiracy!!!!!!

You left out Detroit getting away with a blatant pick on their PP goal -- guess that makes it WWF too.

Believe me, there were tons of people saying the same things when Zetterberg got away with his little palming trick. Spare me the whining, please.

How about after our next win, you go away and never come back.

Little help here mods?

[Taylorov 37]

I thought the officials were to start "tightening up" the calls?

[wingsdiehard13 33]

How about after our next win, you go away and never come back.

Little help here mods?

He's not a troll. He's right. I don't know why so many of you can't see that.

[BewareThePenguin 1]

You're implying for 21 seconds, that the best Refs in the league, didn't notice six people on the ice?

Guys, trained and honed to make instantaneous calls, didn't notice for 21 seconds straight?

Sure bud. What exactly, where they looking for, when they didn't notice for nearly half a minute, there were too many men on the ice?

I hate to say it, but I genuinely am starting to believe that Hockey is going the way of Basketball. Ie. If one team is up 2-0, just pretend that 2 refs, and 2 linesman (Any of the 4 of whom can make the call), don't notice for 21 seconds that one team has an extra guy on the ice?

Is that any different from the refs missing the laughably obvious pick Detroit set on the PP, in front of everyone, including the announcers who called them out for it? Talk about blinders.

You want to believe the theory, fine, but don't just think it's because one team's getting all the calls. That's just a sneaky way of whining about losing -- oh, it's the LEAGUE that's to blame for my team losing, not my precious team! They never lose fair and square!

[BewareThePenguin 1]

He's not a troll. He's right. I don't know why so many of you can't see that.

Like I said, it's your choice. You can have a "discussion forum" as this says, or you can have a collection of cheerleaders who say nothing but sunny things about the team. Call it the "Wings Cheerleading Squad" or better yet, the "Red Wings Roses and Gummy Bears Doll House."

It's your choice.

[BewareThePenguin 1]

All the penalties on Detroit were their own fault. If there is a conspiracy it certainly wasn't evident in last nights game.

1) Cleary holding: Bonehead move by Cleary on an innocent play

2) Franzen tripping: His stick got tied up in the guy's feet. It wasn't intentional but the ref has to call it.

3) Ericsson interference: Pitt never touched the puck, Ericsson got a little lazy and stepped into the guy. Obvious call, Ericsson's fault.

Both teams got their non-calls. How 'bout we talk about the Red Wings inability to clear the zone and how Pitt's aggressive forecheck forced a lot of turnovers in our own end?

They played desperation hockey and came out on top. This was essentially an elimination game for the pens (down 3-0 is near impossible to come back from, especially against a team like Detroit) so they threw everything they had at the Wings.

No conspiracy. The refs were fine. Let's take the next game in Pittsburgh and come back to Detroit and win the cup on home ice!!!!

See, now there's objectivity for you.

And yes, both teams got some ref breaks. But they had no more to do with the outcome than the same kind of goofs in the first two games.

This time, unlike the other two games, the Pens dominated from the get-go off face-offs. Go look at Crosby's win percentage. THERE'S your NHL conspiracy. And like he said, the last interference was from a player badly out of position.

[Bad Vlad Forever 1]

a championship team learns to win in spite of officiating. see also: last year's scf

[NHLrules? 32]

He's not a troll. He's right. I don't know why so many of you can't see that.

You must not have been here the last few days.

This clown does everything to start flame wars since game one.

I was one of the few who blamed our PK not the refs.

You dont win many games with a .33% penalty kill (what we had last night.

You think its appropriate for a pens fan to lecture us on fair refereeing? I hope your kidding. I take it you dont watch much hockey outside of the Western Conferance.

[NHLrules? 32]

Like I said, it's your choice. You can have a "discussion forum" as this says, or you can have a collection of cheerleaders who say nothing but sunny things about the team. Call it the "Wings Cheerleading Squad" or better yet, the "Red Wings Roses and Gummy Bears Doll House."

It's your choice.

Then go back to your own board?

Where all the people look like Cindy Crosby and everyones breath smell like semen.

[talex 1]

The sad thing is as so many go back on forth with this topic is that I do not know many that would deny that many times things are called to make the game more exiting, to level the playing field... not for pure competition, how many last minute goals or 2 have you seen on pp called late in a game? How many series have we seen stretched out by officiating? The NHL loves drama because it keeps casual fans involved and is highly hype-able.

I have said this before and will say it again, the best way to equalize this is to allow the coach to challenge a call or no call. I am all in favor of the drama of a coach challenging a call and if he looses the opposing team gets a power play, he wins the call overturned or made and he keep his challenge count. I would allow a challenge on any call made or at a stoppage in play and every goal if a coach wishes. This would keep the game moving because a coach could not have play stopped to challenge. This would put the onus back on the Coach/Team and take alot of this crap out of the game and to me would add another level of stradegy to the game. I believe it would offer a new level of Drama the NHL loves and a suitable solution that will keep casual fans while maintaining the core game for the more loyal hockey fans.

Edited June 3, 2009 by talex

[wingoneforthegipper 0]

You're implying for 21 seconds, that the best Refs in the league, didn't notice six people on the ice?

Guys, trained and honed to make instantaneous calls, didn't notice for 21 seconds straight?

Sure bud. What exactly, where they looking for, when they didn't notice for nearly half a minute, there were too many men on the ice?

I hate to say it, but I genuinely am starting to believe that Hockey is going the way of Basketball. Ie. If one team is up 2-0, just pretend that 2 refs, and 2 linesman (Any of the 4 of whom can make the call), don't notice for 21 seconds that one team has an extra guy on the ice?

You are correct. And the Pens must have known that the reffs were out to get Detroit. Because there is no way six hockey players who have been playing hockey their whole lives would not notice for 21 seconds. They knew the fix was on! The same with the highly paid coaching staff for the Pens, they caught it too and told all six guys to stay out there because they knew it would not be called.

I love a good conspiracy.

The Wings played good (real good) for half a game but still loss. Tough loss but they’ll bounce back. This missed calls happen all season they balance out; get ready for the next game.

[wingsdiehard13 33]

You must not have been here the last few days.

This clown does everything to start flame wars since game one.

I was one of the few who blamed our PK not the refs.

You dont win many games with a .33% penalty kill (what we had last night.

You think its appropriate for a pens fan to lecture us on fair refereeing? I hope your kidding. I take it you dont watch much hockey outside of the Western Conferance.

No, I've been around quite a bit the last few days. Beware is nothing compared to some of the other pin heads that have come around here.

Seriously, this thread is so ridiculously dumb and way off topic.