Cern 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2009 You have to be kidding me. - Person makes assertion that Penguins are getting preferential treatment by biased refs - Turns out Red Wings have more power plays in this series - Few Wings fans suggest to throw out a certain game (in this case, Game 5, as if it's not part of the series now) - Suddenly we can start manipulating statistics to mean whatever the f*** we want it to And people wonder why I've come to despise "stats" being thrown around in debates. By the time the score becomes 3-0 having more power play opportunities becomes completely redundant. There's no point including them when it's painfully obvious that they'll have no impact on who wins the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RememberStevieY 5 Report post Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) i just find it really hard to believe that a team like the pens, did not take a penalty in 2 + periods in that last game... Im sorry...It doesnt happen in this NHL...(no tolerance?) something else I noticed that I wonder if anyone else saw, was Kunitz and his Superman impressions when he went to deliver a hit on a Wing, Leaving your feet is against the rules isnt it? He did it like 3 times that I saw. so Is everything getting called ?? I dont think so..... I seen that hit by Kunitz he definitly left his feet. A few more plays come to mind that should of been called that wasn't. The hit Rafalski took behind the net which should of been called interference. Edited June 12, 2009 by RememberStevieY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted June 12, 2009 The s***tiest thing about tonight's game is that it's far from meddle-proof. If the league wants the Pens to win, then the refs can make it happen. I doubt this will be the case, but the possibility exists. Otherwise, there's no way Detroit loses tonight. Up until now, I think the biggest problem, and someone already touched on it, is that guys like Ericsson and Kronwall and Stuart are a little gunshy right now about playing the body at the blueline. Of course this is because they don't know what the hell the refs are going to call. Ericsson, for instance, gets dinged in game 3 for interference on the same type of play that Gill always gets away with. You know Gill is just going to continue playing his game with confidence, but I think some of the Wing's defensemen are a little confused. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whitewolf406 3 Report post Posted June 12, 2009 I don't remember all the stats but I think the guy said that the Pens have had 20+ PPs more than their opponents so far in the playoffs and that the Pens have had the first PP of the game 74% of the time this postseason. I think the second stat looms as large or larger than the the first. I would like to know what the % is within that stat for them at home? Pitts., seems to even more than many teams feeds off the home crowd and their energy. Them getting a PP in the first 2 minutes of a game (game 6) is HUGE. If they score it's enormous and even if they don't it can bring even more life into the crowd. It's not just the # of PP's called it's WHEN in the eb and flow of a game that can make the difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-TownWing 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2009 Bettman doesn't "face" any question. He has pre-planned answers and never admits mistakes. The OP of this thread even showed it by pointing out that when a caller had facts, the show was "out of time". If he doesn't want questions, he should not be the commissioner of a major sports league. Of course he has pre-planned answers...it's not like he hasn't already considered all of these questions in the capacity of his job, come up with an answer, dictated a press release about it and answered 78,000 nearly identical questions about everything. I sound rehearsed when I tell the same story to a few different people, because in a sense, I am. So I can't really blame him for that. The out of time thing is pretty ridiculous though...usually radio shows will warn a caller at the end to keep it brief. Didn't hear this one to know if that was done or not, but yeah, that does come off like ducking it, even if he wasn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reggiedunlop 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2009 i just find it really hard to believe that a team like the pens, did not take a penalty in 2 + periods in that last game... Im sorry...It doesnt happen in this NHL...(no tolerance?) something else I noticed that I wonder if anyone else saw, was Kunitz and his Superman impressions when he went to deliver a hit on a Wing, Leaving your feet is against the rules isnt it? He did it like 3 times that I saw. so Is everything getting called ?? I dont think so..... so i assume you find it hard to believe that the wings in the same game did not take a penalty in 2+ periods either? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted June 12, 2009 why is everyone concerned about Kunitz lifting his feet??? ummmm we have/had Kronwall thats his pattented illegal move?! the hits i am pissed about are the ones behind the net when Ozzie plays the puck away from our players and then the Penguins drill other players (lidstrom/Rafalski) when they weren't even around the play Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted June 12, 2009 I'm not on here saying that the refs are the reason for anything, but just because 2 teams have roughly the even amount of penalty min. doesn't mean that the game has been called fair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XxGoWingsxX 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2009 I'm not on here saying that the refs are the reason for anything, but just because 2 teams have roughly the even amount of penalty min. doesn't mean that the game has been called fair. Thats just it. The league has come out and said they're not calling it fair, they're calling it even. It's bs. They need to call a penalty when it is earned, not when it keeps the PP's for both teams around the same number for the game. It's a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) By the time the score becomes 3-0 having more power play opportunities becomes completely redundant. There's no point including them when it's painfully obvious that they'll have no impact on who wins the game. Actually it was 2-0 when the undisciplined s*** started for them, which isn't a safe lead by any stretch of the imagination. It was also wasn't very long into the 2nd period either. The game was not even close to over. Next? Edited June 12, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted June 12, 2009 The number of penalties that have been called is sort of a moot point; I just want to know that the calls have been made consistently with clear standards. Unfortunately, that's been a problem throughout this run. In that sense, the problem is more a matter of consistency than one of parity. If, however, parity is leading to problems with consistency...well, then there's a big problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted June 12, 2009 The number of penalties that have been called is sort of a moot point; I just want to know that the calls have been made consistently with clear standards. Unfortunately, that's been a problem throughout this run. In that sense, the problem is more a matter of consistency than one of parity. If, however, parity is leading to problems with consistency...well, then there's a big problem. I don't see parity having much to do with it. The Wings and Penguins, sans one series each, pretty much steamrolled opponents. It was widely predicted this series would be closer, due to Wings injuries and the Penguins being better than last season, as well as the Wings, arguably, being slightly worse. Hell, many people here even said it was going 7. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
