FedorovMan91 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 The reason I think we should not trade Howard is he is still young and we never see his play in the NHL more than at least 10 games a season. We will see next season. If he sucks, then concern about the trade. Now, are the Wings fans becoming somewhat like the Habs fans who whined Price with the given pressure of 100 years of the organization? One thing to say, as much as Osgood is a good goalie, the team itself shines him up. Same thing can happen to Howard. Cam Ward had a terrible two rookie seasons but he is considered as one of the best netminder in the league. Good teams make players to be good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 The reason I think we should not trade Howard is he is still young and we never see his play in the NHL more than at least 10 games a season. We will see next season. If he sucks, then concern about the trade. Now, are the Wings fans becoming somewhat like the Habs fans who whined Price with the given pressure of 100 years of the organization? One thing to say, as much as Osgood is a good goalie, the team itself shines him up. Same thing can happen to Howard. Cam Ward had a terrible two rookie seasons but he is considered as one of the best netminder in the league. Good teams make players to be good. Wasn't the case this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rikadyn 16 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 Eitherway would work as far as I'm concerned, If we can get Conks to stay for a low price, Howard is expandable. If Conks books for a different team (which will prolly end up being next years winter classic team), Then we can give Howard his chance to try and be a back up, if it's going bad, we can try and adjust at the trade deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Crane 289 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 (edited) Howard is ready to suck in the NHL. How about that? Trade the kid and resign Conks for cheap. Idk why it seems everyone has forgotten about Conklin, but it's starting to get frustrating. During the regular season who did we rely on? Who did we look to when Osgood was shaky? Conklin stepped up all season, and I think he has the potential to be an outstanding goaling. I think we should keep the goalies we have and play them as such: Conklin as regular season starter; Osgood as regular season back up; keep Howard training in Grand Rapids (or sign another goalie. BUT i think our cash is better spent elsewhere, as our defense is strong enough to be safe with a goalie that is not a super-star) (FYI I'm agreeing with VM1138, not criticizing him) Edited June 17, 2009 by ZMAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DetFan81 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 i would stick with ozzy and conks...i don't see howard being ready for the NHL level. everytime he came up during the regular season he scared me. i don't see him surviving at this level yet....just my opinion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 Idk why it seems everyone has forgotten about Conklin, but it's starting to get frustrating. During the regular season who did we rely on? Who did we look to when Osgood was shaky? Conklin stepped up all season, and I think he has the potential to be an outstanding goaling. I think we should keep the goalies we have and play them as such: Conklin as regular season starter; Osgood as regular season back up; keep Howard training in Grand Rapids (or sign another goalie. BUT i think our cash is better spent elsewhere, as our defense is strong enough to be safe with a goalie that is not a super-star) (FYI I'm agreeing with VM1138, not criticizing him) I do. If the Wings don't put Howard on their NHL roster by the start of the season he immediately goes on waivers for any team to claim. Given that he's one of their top 5 prospects and their top goaltending prospect they don't feel like pissing that time, money and pick down the drain. And before someone asks- if they send him down at any other point (other than for conditioning) he'll be exposed to waivers too. You can't avoid it- he won't be sitting in the minors. They could carry 3 goalies but they've already got a huge cap crunch as it is and they can't afford to throw a million away and a permanent third goalie. I'm not Howard's biggest fan either, but I do think the Wings have to give him a chance because he has the tools to be a starting goalie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyphoenix 153 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 I dont think Howard is NHL material and nothing he has done in any of his NHL starts has done anything to change my mind. Since he would have to play in the NHL, I say we get rid of him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 I dont think Howard is NHL material and nothing he has done in any of his NHL starts has done anything to change my mind. Since he would have to play in the NHL, I say we get rid of him. Not to say Howard is NHL ready (although I think we gotta give him a shot) but he did have a super stellar game against Dallas last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HudlerFanatic 4 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 If anyone questions Osgood after last season, please give me your adress so I can punch you square in the face. He had a winning record in the regular season (a very good record actually) and was insane in the playoffs. This guy is exactly what our team needs. ----AGREED! The only thing I ever get mad at that boy for, is being OUT OF THE NET so damn much! Scares the bageezies out of me!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 Not to say Howard is NHL ready (although I think we gotta give him a shot) but he did have a super stellar game against Dallas last year. He didn't play against Dallas last year. Did he? And though I don't know what to think about how good he is, he's gotta play in the NHL sometime, and if he doesn't work out we can always set up a trade or something. Conklin is great and solid but he deserves a raise that we can't give him on this team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FedorovMan91 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 If Howard does not come up to the NHL, any team has a chance to take him. To answer above comment, yes, Howard played in 07-08 season against the Stars, and the Canucks. I don't remeber other games against the Oilers and the Flames while Dom and Ozzie were out because of health issues. In that year, I saw his play and he played very well. This season, however, the game against the Wild, he played terrible. Well, our D was garbage throughout the season no not a big surprise though. However, I would rather watch him to play at least 20 games and decide or concern about him. After Osgood retires, who are you going to bring up for our starting goaltending? I cannot think of any goalie who will be favor to come to the Wings. Seriously, many people don't like him because they have not watched enough of Howard or he was poor in the game against the Wild. Give him chances and decide later and we have to see Howard next season for sure; Holland said he will develop both Larsson and Howard and choose one goalie for the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
#19forPresident! 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 It's Osgood's job to lose. Say what you want, the guy can come to play when it matters on the majority of occasions, and he's not over the hill yet in age. As far as the backup situation, hard to say. Howard's a risk, might pay off, might not. If Conks comes back at a similar price to what he did last year then I think Jimmy's gone. Should be interesting to see what exactly transpires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hiei 192 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 If Hasek could play into his 40s, Oz still has a few years to go then....After all, isn't the fountain of youth buried under JLA? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ernesto_182 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 Osgood and Conks are the correct man to defend the goalie position in the Red Wings.. Howard? i remember him playing this year against minnesota.. damn, Howard s*cked!!! i don't see him playing in the NHL.. or unless with the wings! maybe he could be a goalie for another team but no with this one.. i'd stick with Ozzie and Conks! we are just fine! a GREAT startup goalie (Osgood) and a GREAT backup (Conklin) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dimaline312000 51 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 For me this is the biggest ? this off-season besides Hoping we resign Hossa. I play Goalie so I have a paticular interest in this area. Ozzie is Ozzie I think we keep him for sure. I would like to see us give Howard a chance but if we do and we let go of Conks (who has proven he is a quality goalie) and give Jimmy that chance and he can't rise to the occasion than we are stuck having to make a move for another back-up goalie. Where as if we keep Conks we are basically saying you have no chance in hell of making the Detroit Red Wings Jimmy. This goes back to that one topic that I've see either on here or on the Red Wings Website Forums. We've let go of players before and it has come back to burn us. Jimmy may not work here in Detroit and be traded and become a quality starting goalie for another team in the NHL. I truly believe that McCollum is our goalie of the future and I think he'll be ready to make that jump to the NHL when Ozzie is ready to close the book on his career. It just depends on what the Wings think. This issue may be one of the ones that is not taken care of until close to training camp or so. I would really like to give Howard a solid chance but it would cost us. However keep Conks and trade Howard, which he could be some good trade bait to get a draft pick or a quality player if we work it well. This is a tough issue, I'm really interested in seeing what is going to happen to our goaltending come next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casey 145 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 For me this is the biggest ? this off-season besides Hoping we resign Hossa. I play Goalie so I have a paticular interest in this area. Ozzie is Ozzie I think we keep him for sure. I would like to see us give Howard a chance but if we do and we let go of Conks (who has proven he is a quality goalie) and give Jimmy that chance and he can't rise to the occasion than we are stuck having to make a move for another back-up goalie. Where as if we keep Conks we are basically saying you have no chance in hell of making the Detroit Red Wings Jimmy. This goes back to that one topic that I've see either on here or on the Red Wings Website Forums. We've let go of players before and it has come back to burn us. Jimmy may not work here in Detroit and be traded and become a quality starting goalie for another team in the NHL. I truly believe that McCollum is our goalie of the future and I think he'll be ready to make that jump to the NHL when Ozzie is ready to close the book on his career. It just depends on what the Wings think. This issue may be one of the ones that is not taken care of until close to training camp or so. I would really like to give Howard a solid chance but it would cost us. However keep Conks and trade Howard, which he could be some good trade bait to get a draft pick or a quality player if we work it well. This is a tough issue, I'm really interested in seeing what is going to happen to our goaltending come next season. The problem with saying that we let players go and they burn us is that they wouldn't be playing in Detroit anyway. Look at Quincey, for example- he was a 5th or 6th defenseman here, at a time when we had 7 ready to go. No room. You can't really say they burn us when they wouldn't be on the roster here even if they stayed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 Osgood and Conks are the correct man to defend the goalie position in the Red Wings.. Howard? i remember him playing this year against minnesota.. damn, Howard s*cked!!! i If I remember correctly, this was a 2nd game of a back-to-back, and I think it was when they wanted to rest Ozzie, so Howard was thrown it there with out a lot of time to prepare. We need to wait to see him after consistent starts and he gets to study the tendencies of the NHL players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 SCOUT COMMENTS "He keeps us in every game. He's focused, he's very confident and his physical regime has been a plus in terms of his quickness. At this stage, it appears he is (ready for the NHL). He rarely gives (up a bad goal now). That's just part of a goalie's development. When they're beating him, they're beating him with a good goal. He looks just about ready. If he finishes (strong), he will be a factor next year in Detroit." — Grand Rapids Griffins general manager Bob McNamara (January 2008) ... "If Jimmy comes in and he's obviously the best guy (for the backup job, up against Ty Conklin), then we’re going to have to re-evaluate. Jimmy is going to lose any tie. I’ve explained that to Jimmy. Our plan is that he is going to be on our team in '09-10 for sure." — Red Wings general manager Ken Holland (September 2008, Detroit Free Press). http://www.redwingscentral.com/prospects/howard.php Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 I'd really prefer a more recent comment. That 2008 quote was before his most recent season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hiei 192 Report post Posted June 17, 2009 I think we have 2 goalies of the future in Larsson and McCollum.......And that will be part of the mix that will carry the weight when lids retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstarsingh 23 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) Giving up on Howard this early would be a mistake. He has not had a sufficeint opportunity to show what he can do in Detroit. Naturally, the Red Wings are extremely patient with their prospects and clearly they are extra patient with goaltenders. I hope Howard can show that he is capable of being the guy for us in the future but at the same time, I would not be surprised if he fails to show such. Edited June 18, 2009 by superstarsingh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
