Longshot but is it possible Penguins could match what Oilers

[Glubki 17]

Match the Oilers? No

Be a consistent playoff force and win at least one more cup in the next 3 years? Possible

If the cap drops each of the next two years like it is anticipated than they are going to have a hard time getting any talent via free agency. They have a minimum of 6 open roster spots next year and 8M in cap space if the cap stays the same. Scuderi is going to want a raise if he stays, Letang is going to require more money next season and if any of the three top centers get injured it will be tough to get out of the East with Boston and Washington both hungry. Washington has good chance to load up with 11 Million in free space and if they dump or buyout Theodore they will have even more room to reload.

[soonboomer 31]

or Islanders did as far as a dynasty is concerned. The more I look at this Pens team I think we know that the 4 key pieces are Crosby, Malkin, Staal and Fleury. If we can keep these 4 and mix in some talent at the wings come playoff time I think we will be OK. I think we will keep a role player like Talbot for certain but assume guys such as Guerin and Hall Hill are gone. The youth is the key with this team. Not saying it's probable but I do think it's possible they repeat what Islanders did in early 80s and what Oilers did in mid to late late 80's.

It's more likely that the Pens won't make the SCF in any one of the next three years than it is for them to win 3 more consecutive cups..........by a mile!!

[FedorovMan91 1]

It is possible but not likely because the Penguins cannot keep every team. The difference is the salary cap. I don't see any team can win the cup 2 straight years so far. We were very close

[Esquire 324]

This thread almost rivals the "Zetterberg is a disgrace" thread in its ridiculousness.

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

Winning one Cup is tough enough; winning consecutive Cups is even tougher. But, what took so long?

[Hockeytown12 0]

Let's Go Wings ≠ Let's Go Pens

There is a reason a Penguins forum exists. I suggest you use it. I highly doubt that there was a thread started on LGP last year about a Red Wings dynasty almost a week after the series ended. I think all these Pens fans are still here because LGP is a horribly designed website and it hurts your eyes to read anything for more than 2 minutes.

Edited June 18, 2009 by Hockeytown12

[wmubronco420 25]

wow, win one cup and all of a sudden the pens are gonna win 4 in a row

[drwscc 212]

Insert animated gif of Stephen Colbert laughing here.

[IceMunkee 15]

or Islanders did as far as a dynasty is concerned. The more I look at this Pens team I think we know that the 4 key pieces are Crosby, Malkin, Staal and Fleury. If we can keep these 4 and mix in some talent at the wings come playoff time I think we will be OK. I think we will keep a role player like Talbot for certain but assume guys such as Guerin and Hall Hill are gone. The youth is the key with this team. Not saying it's probable but I do think it's possible they repeat what Islanders did in early 80s and what Oilers did in mid to late late 80's.

The problem is that Detroit gets guys that want to stay there that can make more elsewhere. The Pens could do that, but first the Pens have to prove to the players that they will take care of them always. One thing the Wings do the no other organization at this time does is take care of everyone. It could be Hasek coming back, or Ozzy coming back or the way they take care of Fisher. Or even McCarty. There are more examples. With the Wings it is not about plugging holes it also has to do with great scouting and plugging holes with the youngins. Hossa and Conks were the only players they brought in, both played for less. Alot of the Playoff success came from the Griffins. The Pens have to create an organization that everyone in the system believes in and wants to be a part of. It is definitly more then filling holes. One thing the Wings have also done is to not make the entire team about one guy. The Pens have not done that yet, and it is not really thier fault as much as the media's. Everyone has to feel needed and loved and more people will want to play there.

[b.shanafan14 733]

Wait a minute... haven't the Penguins been a Oilers/Islanders caliber Dynasty for 3 years now???? Could have swore that's what I've been reading on NHL.com, TSN.ca, ESPN.com, etc. since they first made the playoffs since the lockout....

Quick Note: It takes more than two good years and one Cup to make a dynasty, young, talented core or not. Simple as plain common sense:

Gretzky >>> Crosby

Messier > Malkin

Kurri >>> Staal

Plus this is a salary cap era, MUCH harder to even repeat, let alone string consecutive cups. Make the Finals 6 times and win the Cup 4 times in 14 years, making the playoffs for 17+ consecutive seasons and THEN talk dynasty.

There will never be another Oilers/Canadiens/Islanders dynasty.... ever. The best any club can strive for in the new era of better goaltenders, fickle officiating, and the salary cap is the Red Wings brand of dynasty, ie season to season consistency and level of competition.

Enjoy your Cup, they are VERY hard to come by, I remember when the Wings won in 97 and 98, I thought they would be invincible for years to come, but no one is.

[Firehawk 305]

Let me turn this thread into something more useful...

Seeing as the wings have 4 cups in 12 years, were 2 goals and 5 key injured players away from winning the cup this year, been to the conference finals or further in the last 3 years, if they wings won a cup next year would you still consider them a dynasty? 5 cups in 13 years...but also usually the favorite to win the cup EVERY YEAR of those 13 years...

[egroen 384]

Wait a minute... haven't the Penguins been a Oilers/Islanders caliber Dynasty for 3 years now???? Could have swore that's what I've been reading on NHL.com, TSN.ca, ESPN.com, etc. since they first made the playoffs since the lockout....

Quick Note: It takes more than two good years and one Cup to make a dynasty, young, talented core or not. Simple as plain common sense:

Gretzky >>> Crosby

Messier > Malkin

Kurri >>> Staal

Plus this is a salary cap era, MUCH harder to even repeat, let alone string consecutive cups. Make the Finals 6 times and win the Cup 4 times in 14 years, making the playoffs for 17+ consecutive seasons and THEN talk dynasty.

There will never be another Oilers/Canadiens/Islanders dynasty.... ever. The best any club can strive for in the new era of better goaltenders, fickle officiating, and the salary cap is the Red Wings brand of dynasty, ie season to season consistency and level of competition.

Enjoy your Cup, they are VERY hard to come by, I remember when the Wings won in 97 and 98, I thought they would be invincible for years to come, but no one is.

Pittsburgh needs to get some serious discounts, and so far they have not had them.

The injuries Detroit experienced this year would have wiped any other team out in the first or second round, but Detroit was able to overcome it because of the incredible amount of depth they had this year (a very unique year) -- and that depth was only possible because they have been getting discounts on players for years.

[egroen 384]

Let me turn this thread into something more useful...

Seeing as the wings have 4 cups in 12 years, were 2 goals and 5 key injured players away from winning the cup this year, been to the conference finals or further in the last 3 years, if they wings won a cup next year would you still consider them a dynasty? 5 cups in 13 years...but also usually the favorite to win the cup EVERY YEAR of those 13 years...

I already consider Detroit's current management (and Lidstrom onto himself) a dynasty - but not the team.

97-98 were completely different teams than 08, and 02 was more of a transition year.

With the cap and parity as it is, it is probably the closest we will see to the old-school "dynasties" we have seen in the past, which I think requires 3 in a row or 4 out of 6 years.

[ChitownWingsfan 54]

Let's Go Wings ≠ Let's Go Pens

Rinse and repeat daily.

[Firehawk 305]

I already consider Detroit's current management (and Lidstrom onto himself) a dynasty - but not the team.

97-98 were completely different teams than 08, and 02 was more of a transition year.

With the cap and parity as it is, it is probably the closest we will see to the old-school "dynasties" we have seen in the past, which I think requires 3 in a row or 4 out of 6 years.

We had 3 in 6...close enough?

I see what you're saying sorta, but I don't know that I agree. In the salary cap era I think it's only fair to change the rules a little bit on what a dynasty is. You will never be able to keep a horde of talent like we had in 2002 together for a long stretch.

Honestly, it would take something like a setup that the Red Wings have. I don't think any other team comes close. Even though the Wings haven't won the cup every year in the last 15 years, they've been favored each year to win it and hey, 1 out of every 3 years in this day and age is very impressive. The wings have pretty much dominated this league for 1 1/2 decades now.

Edited June 18, 2009 by Firehawk

[Grim 5]

Got to give the Penguins their due... they made it to the past two finals. There is no reason to believe they won't be a serious threat to return next year.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Strange...these are weird colors for a Penguins forum.

[egroen 384]

We had 3 in 6...close enough?

I see what you're saying sorta, but I don't know that I agree. In the salary cap era I think it's only fair to change the rules a little bit on what a dynasty is. You will never be able to keep a horde of talent like we had in 2002 together for a long stretch.

Honestly, it would take something like a setup that the Red Wings have. I don't think any other team comes close. Even though the Wings haven't won the cup every year in the last 15 years, they've been favored each year to win it and hey, 1 out of every 3 years in this day and age is very impressive. The wings have pretty much dominated this league for 1 1/2 decades now.

A dynasty is head and shoulders above the rest of the league -- and I do not think we will ever see one again.

I'm fine with changing the definition a bit, and calling the Wings a "modern" dynasty.

The National Hockey League recognizes nine Stanley Cup dynasties:

Ottawa Senators of 1919-27 (4 championships in 8 years) 1920, 1921, 1923, 1927

Toronto Maple Leafs of 1947-51 (4 championships in 5 years) 1947, 1948, 1949, 1951

Detroit Red Wings of 1950-55 (4 championships in 6 years) 1950, 1952, 1954, 1955

Montreal Canadiens of 1956-60 (5 consecutive championships) 1956-1960

Toronto Maple Leafs of 1962-67 (4 championships in 6 years) 1962, 1963, 1964, 1967

Montreal Canadiens of late 1965-69 (4 championships in 5 years) 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969

Montreal Canadiens of 1975-79 (4 consecutive championships) 1976-1979

New York Islanders of 1980-84 (4 consecutive championships) 1980-1983

Edmonton Oilers of 1984-90 (5 championships in 7 years) 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1990

http://www.nhl.com/cup/dynasties.html

[Free_Candy 38]

No.

I have a theory that it really takes the s*** to hit the fan for a team to muster up the emotional drive to even go back-to-back in this day and age. Last time this happened, we lost Badger and the Wings had Konstantinov's accident. The Pens franchise has really turned things around into something very positive that players buy into, and we have a good farm team -- so we probably won't fall apart and I have optimism for our future but by no means will there be a dynasty. Sorry to be another Pens fan invading your board, I do follow what goes on with Detroit, have lurked here a long time and really mean no ill will and wanted to jump in on some relevant discussions at hand so thanks for listening.

[BlakKy 58]

No.

I have a theory that it really takes the s*** to hit the fan for a team to muster up the emotional drive to even go back-to-back in this day and age. Last time this happened, we lost Badger and the Wings had Konstantinov's accident. The Pens franchise has really turned things around into something very positive that players buy into, and we have a good farm team -- so we probably won't fall apart and I have optimism for our future but by no means will there be a dynasty. Sorry to be another Pens fan invading your board, I do follow what goes on with Detroit, have lurked here a long time and really mean no ill will and wanted to jump in on some relevant discussions at hand so thanks for listening.

I love when fans of other teams are polite.

[Cern 0]

Insert animated gif of Stephen Colbert laughing here.

Here you are

dohohoho, I'm just as witty as those people who made those Terri Schaivo .gifs

[Barrie 900]

No.

I have a theory that it really takes the s*** to hit the fan for a team to muster up the emotional drive to even go back-to-back in this day and age. Last time this happened, we lost Badger and the Wings had Konstantinov's accident. The Pens franchise has really turned things around into something very positive that players buy into, and we have a good farm team -- so we probably won't fall apart and I have optimism for our future but by no means will there be a dynasty. Sorry to be another Pens fan invading your board, I do follow what goes on with Detroit, have lurked here a long time and really mean no ill will and wanted to jump in on some relevant discussions at hand so thanks for listening.

Thanks, make sure you stick around.

[thegreat66 19]

Subconsciously they're all Wings fans, which is what is keeping them here. They just haven't realized it yet. I mean, why else would they continuously post here.

edit: Seriously why make this thread in a red wings forum? Do you value the opinion of the Red Wings fans that much that you have to ask this here? I do admit we are awesome, but it's like you guys don't know what to do with yourselves now that your favorite team won the cup.

Why ask the question here as opposed to Pens forum? Because I know I'll get a more objective and thougtful response as opposed to a biased response from the majoirty of Pens fans. And for some of the earlier posts in this thread I had no intention of rubbing salt in wounds. I know it was a hard fought series and I basically see Penguins/Redwings as same as Cowboys/49ers of early 90s in the sense each year you never knew which team was going to take it as the teams were that closely matched. I don't think it is out of real of possibility that either Wings or Pens could each win the Cup in 2010 and 2011 which would mean either 3 in a row for Pens or 3 out of 4 for Wings barring any major changes to either team.

[egroen 384]

Why ask the question here as opposed to Pens forum? Because I know I'll get a more objective and thougtful response as opposed to a biased response from the majoirty of Pens fans. And for some of the earlier posts in this thread I had no intention of rubbing salt in wounds. I know it was a hard fought series and I basically see Penguins/Redwings as same as Cowboys/49ers of early 90s in the sense each year you never knew which team was going to take it as the teams were that closely matched. I don't think it is out of real of possibility that either Wings or Pens could each win the Cup in 2010 and 2011 which would mean either 3 in a row for Pens or 3 out of 4 for Wings barring any major changes to either team.

I just saw a healthy Pens team taken to 7 games and outscored in the series by an awfully battered Wings team.

That does not diminish the Pens win, but I think the Wings will still have the better team -- and Vegas agrees with me.

Pittsburgh has had an awfully healthy team two post-seasons in a row -- and that is mighty rare.

[Jiri the man 0]

Got to give the Penguins their due... they made it to the past two finals. There is no reason to believe they won't be a serious threat to return next year.

Somthing happens to some teams after they win the cup.The hunger subsides and they just go through the motions.

I really can't believe that this is posted on LGW board ,hell we know who the best team is for the last 15 years is.