LeftWinger 5,131 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) first of all, I didn't know he was a FA. Second of all, $1.4M? That is a nice cap hit for him, I wish there was a way we could aquire this guy. I think he would score a few more points than 11 in Detroit... IF Johnson were on the block, who would you offer to LA for him? maybe if Hudler-gate wasn't going on, we could have tendered him a little bit of a larger contract to come here. After all, we will need someone to replace Lidstrom eventually. SInce we couldn't somehow get a hold of Hedman, maybe Johnson could've been that guy. edit-Sorry if this was already covered, went back 5 pages and didn't see it... Edited July 18, 2009 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsdiehard13 33 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 He was an RFA and it would've taken alot to get him, but he was very good towards the end of last year and I would have loved to get him here. Although it was very, very unlikely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 first of all, I didn't know he was a FA. Second of all, $1.4M? That is a nice cap hit for him, I wish there was a way we could aquire this guy. I think he would score a few more points than 11 in Detroit... IF Johnson were on the block, who would you offer to LA for him? maybe if Hudler-gate wasn't going on, we could have tendered him a little bit of a larger contract to come here. After all, we will need someone to replace Lidstrom eventually. SInce we couldn't somehow get a hold of Hedman, maybe Johnson could've been that guy. edit-Sorry if this was already covered, went back 5 pages and didn't see it... 1st: Amazing deal for LA. Shocking that he didn't demand more. 2nd: STFU about Hudler. Everyone is tired of you bashing Hudler at least once in every damn post you make. Talking about Sakic's retirement? LeftWinger will probably relate it to Hudler being a rapist and forcing him to retire. LA re-signs a defenseman? LeftWinger thinks that were it not for evil Hudler, the Wings would've pouched him to further log-jam their defense and steal time from Ericsson in his rookie season. Enough man- we f***in' get it- Hudler is the cause of all the wrongs in your life. Cool. Go to counseling or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,131 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 1st: Amazing deal for LA. Shocking that he didn't demand more. 2nd: STFU about Hudler. Everyone is tired of you bashing Hudler at least once in every damn post you make. Talking about Sakic's retirement? LeftWinger will probably relate it to Hudler being a rapist and forcing him to retire. LA re-signs a defenseman? LeftWinger thinks that were it not for evil Hudler, the Wings would've pouched him to further log-jam their defense and steal time from Ericsson in his rookie season. Enough man- we f***in' get it- Hudler is the cause of all the wrongs in your life. Cool. Go to counseling or something. Sorry, but everything that Holland CANNOT do is because of him... So whatever. And each day this goes on, he is worth less and less in my book, so for this forums sake, hudler best leave or he will be in every single post this season because of his greedy, me first attitude. He WILL be the whipping boy... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 Sorry, but everything that Holland CANNOT do is because of him... So whatever. And each day this goes on, he is worth less and less in my book, so for this forums sake, hudler best leave or he will be in every single post this season because of his greedy, me first attitude. He WILL be the whipping boy... Hey now, he's bee the whipping boy for 2 years now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 Hey now, he's bee the whipping boy for 2 years now. Come on now, people just hated him because he was small and weak, or loved him because he clucked at Ozzie all the time. The whipping boys were Sammy and Kopecky all the time, no breaks on the beatings those guys took. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,131 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 anyway, the log jam at Defense would have been cleared if we somehow could get ahold of Johnson. I'd get rid of Lilja, Lebda & Meech to accomodate Johnson, then bring up Kindl or even recently signed veteren Janik up to be the 7th defensman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 anyway, the log jam at Defense would have been cleared if we somehow could get ahold of Johnson. I'd get rid of Lilja, Lebda & Meech to accomodate Johnson, then bring up Kindl or even recently signed veteren Janik up to be the 7th defensman. Kindl isn't even close to being ready for the NHL. Meech costs less than $500,000 a year, so it'd be insane to dump him then bring someone else up to be the 7th d-man. On top of his low cost he's also the 13th forward, so that's another reason why you're better off leaving him as the spare. But yeah, if the Wings could've nabbed Johnson at that price they'd be smart to move pieces to make room for him. That kid has tons of potential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,131 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 Kindl isn't even close to being ready for the NHL. Meech costs less than $500,000 a year, so it'd be insane to dump him then bring someone else up to be the 7th d-man. On top of his low cost he's also the 13th forward, so that's another reason why you're better off leaving him as the spare. But yeah, if the Wings could've nabbed Johnson at that price they'd be smart to move pieces to make room for him. That kid has tons of potential. Ahhhhh, wish in one hand and sh*t in the other... oh well. I am sure Holland knew Johnson was available, but I am also sure he knows better than we do if he'd fit in Detroit. Holland must be very confident with his current defense and the likes of Kindl, Kolosov, Smith and company as sucessor's to Lidstrom/Rafalski. Of course witnessing the emergance of Kronwall and Ericsson, can you question him? I am willing to bet Piche rises into the top 5 in prospects this season in GRR and becomes one of the next Wings within 2 or 3 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) Booo !! he should of came here... you suck holland. Edited July 18, 2009 by KrazyGangsta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peleshob 0 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 He's going to make the cap hit look very good. I'm shocked they got him for so little, but he has had his fair share of issues, so who knows. Everyone is tired of you bashing Hudler at least once in every damn post you make. Talking about Sakic's retirement? LeftWinger will probably relate it to Hudler being a rapist and forcing him to retire. This made me lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 Ahhhhh, wish in one hand and sh*t in the other... oh well. I am sure Holland knew Johnson was available, but I am also sure he knows better than we do if he'd fit in Detroit. Holland must be very confident with his current defense and the likes of Kindl, Kolosov, Smith and company as sucessor's to Lidstrom/Rafalski. Of course witnessing the emergance of Kronwall and Ericsson, can you question him? I am willing to bet Piche rises into the top 5 in prospects this season in GRR and becomes one of the next Wings within 2 or 3 years. Yeah, I honestly think we're set defensively for the next few years. The only time I'd start to worry is if Kindl doesn't pan out this season in GR at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) Booo !! he should of came here... you suck holland. I sincerely hope you're kidding. anyway, the log jam at Defense would have been cleared if we somehow could get ahold of Johnson. I'd get rid of Lilja, Lebda & Meech to accomodate Johnson, then bring up Kindl or even recently signed veteren Janik up to be the 7th defensman. Jack Johnson would not be satisfied with playing on our third defensive pairing. Edited July 18, 2009 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) Ahhhhh, wish in one hand and sh*t in the other... oh well. I am sure Holland knew Johnson was available, but I am also sure he knows better than we do if he'd fit in Detroit. Holland must be very confident with his current defense and the likes of Kindl, Kolosov, Smith and company as sucessor's to Lidstrom/Rafalski. Of course witnessing the emergance of Kronwall and Ericsson, can you question him? I am willing to bet Piche rises into the top 5 in prospects this season in GRR and becomes one of the next Wings within 2 or 3 years. Exactly how far and how much would you have given up to get Johnson. You make it sound like you'd gladly move roster players like Lilja and Meech. But you don't even mention the other costs associated with poaching a RESTRICTED FREE AGENT. The Kings would undoubtedly have matched a higher dollar amount for Johnson. How high would they go? Nobody knows for certain. One thing is for certain, Johnson would've cost us at least 2 million per year to even remotely have a shot at stealing him away from LA. And at that cost you are getting close to losing a 1st round and a 3rd round pick, not too mention the roster players. And don't forget the salary concerns with adding another 2+ mil dman to an already heavy d corps and still not addressing the loss of Hossa, Sammy, Hulder, Kopecky (offset to a degree by Helm/Leino/Abby). For arguments sake, would you give up Lilja, Meech, a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder for Jack Johnson? I wouldn't. I'm as gung ho an American as there is and I loved this kid. But he hasn't shown me a whole lot thus far other than he has potential and a penchant for injury. You lose a big body in Lilja, a good shot blocker and stay at home guy. You lose a versatile Meech. What do you gain in Johnson? What does he bring to the table that you are lacking? Big hits? Kronner and Stuart. Offensive bang? Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronner (all 50+ point guys). I'm not saying Johnson isn't a good player. But he brings nothing to the team that we don't already possess. He's been unspectacular in LA. He's had injury trouble. And the overall cost of stealing him from LA would be too high for the return imo. Edited July 18, 2009 by GordieSid&Ted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AD2044 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2009 Hudler and Lebda for Jack Johnson in a heartbeat. la is in terrible need of top 6 wingers even after the smyth trade and its clear that hudler wants to play someplace else so it makes legit sense to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted July 19, 2009 Can we keep in mind that Lilja outscored Jack Johnson two seasons running? Granted, Lilja played around 20 more games this year but the point remains. Johnson has not proven himself to be worth significan assets yet. Johnson signing this deal is not too far from Flip signing for 5 years at 3 million. Flip signs now for 3 million, is overpaid for a couple years and then hopefully by the end of his deal his salary is below where it should be. In Johnson's case, LA gave him what he's worth now for two years and they'll reevaluate him later. Johnson is good, but he has a lot left to prove at the NHL level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dimaline312000 51 Report post Posted July 19, 2009 I have him on my NHL 09 Roster. He's a great D-man and I think LA is very smart to sign this kid. He will be good once he gets fully developed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted July 19, 2009 Can we keep in mind that Lilja outscored Jack Johnson two seasons running? Granted, Lilja played around 20 more games this year but the point remains. Johnson has not proven himself to be worth significan assets yet. Johnson signing this deal is not too far from Flip signing for 5 years at 3 million. Flip signs now for 3 million, is overpaid for a couple years and then hopefully by the end of his deal his salary is below where it should be. In Johnson's case, LA gave him what he's worth now for two years and they'll reevaluate him later. Johnson is good, but he has a lot left to prove at the NHL level. The story about his dad contacting Barry Smith in the KHL to inquire if they had any interest in in J.J. didn't help him much from a positional/contract standpoint either. There were a lot of rumors that L.A. was trying to move him before/during the draft and those KHL rumors probably scared a lot of teams off who might have paid him more. http://tsn.ca/columnists/darren_dreger/?id=279172 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 19, 2009 (edited) Can we keep in mind that Lilja outscored Jack Johnson two seasons running? Granted, Lilja played around 20 more games this year but the point remains. Johnson has not proven himself to be worth significan assets yet. Johnson signing this deal is not too far from Flip signing for 5 years at 3 million. Flip signs now for 3 million, is overpaid for a couple years and then hopefully by the end of his deal his salary is below where it should be. In Johnson's case, LA gave him what he's worth now for two years and they'll reevaluate him later. Johnson is good, but he has a lot left to prove at the NHL level. Aye. I, too, do not see his appeal. He was notable in college play for his hitting and scoring abilities. In the NHL, the former has been spotty and the latter almost non-existent. Perhaps some of the affection for him comes from his University of Michigan roots. Edited July 19, 2009 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,131 Report post Posted July 19, 2009 Aye. I, too, do not see his appeal. He was notable in college play for his hitting and scoring abilities. In the NHL, the former has been spotty and the latter almost non-existent. Perhaps some of the affection for him comes from his University of Michigan roots. of course none of this has anything to do with playing in the cesspool called LA Kings. Put Lilja on LA and Johnson on Detroit the past two seasons, who outscores who? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 19, 2009 of course none of this has anything to do with playing in the cesspool called LA Kings. Put Lilja on LA and Johnson on Detroit the past two seasons, who outscores who? Playing on one of the crappiest teams in the league is no justification for putting up only 11 points if you're supposedly of the offensive caliber that people claim Johnson is, and outscoring Lilja would be absolutely no accomplishment at all in any event. Also, he doesn't really play a notably physical game---his physical play and big hits were big parts of his game in his days at U of M---and that cannot be accounted for by the team on which he plays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted July 19, 2009 of course none of this has anything to do with playing in the cesspool called LA Kings. Put Lilja on LA and Johnson on Detroit the past two seasons, who outscores who? If Johnson was as good as everyone said, LA wouldn't be such a cesspool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 19, 2009 If Johnson was as good as everyone said, LA wouldn't be such a cesspool. The players certainly make the team as much as vice-versa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
