newfy 695 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 For the people asking for grit and the others asking for 15 goals I think Bertuzzi can provide both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AD2044 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 For the people asking for grit and the others asking for 15 goals I think Bertuzzi can provide both. total agreement from me brother. i really like him on this teams fourth line. still would like grier along with him though. grier-draps-bert Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb himself 143 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 yeah I'd be cool with Grier or Bertuzzi...they would chip in with 20 goals and add the grit we need Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AD2044 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 well i figure that neither guy can get over a million so it is very possible to sign them both and still have 100k left over. not to mention the money you save if Lilja goes on LTIR or if meech/lebda gets traded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Yes, let's make the 3rd line more defensive and TOUGHER. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Yes, let's make the 3rd line more defensive and TOUGHER. What he said Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsownnhl43 14 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Yes, let's make the 3rd line more defensive and TOUGHER. Im in total agreement with you and your sig... Sidenote: Is anyone else thanking god Zetterberg and Franzen werent free agents a year after Samuelsson and Hudler? IMO if we had to lose anyone from our core, Sammy and Huddles were the two ideal peaces of this puzzle to lose. The Wings lucked out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Grier Please!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Tsk, Tsk, Tsk ad yu guys ***** about ME bringing up Hudler in every thread! Sheesh! He's GONE! Hopefully for a LONG, LONG time! With Eaves being a Solid 3rd or 4th line player, I think the Wings may look into a Solid 3rd and ocassional 2nd line player. If they can score one of those for $1.2M or so they will be happy. Whether or not Grier, Bertuzzi or Prospl would accept that is beyond me, but I think Holland really liked Bertuzzi when he was here and he would probably be his first choice to fill that role. I guess its whoever will accept what we have to offer. I would think Holland would like to keep some space open for GRR call ups this season (unlike last) so he will probably want to keep at least $900,000 open so he can bring up Abby sometime throughout the season. Lets say tey go for Bertuzzi it pretty much makes your roster: Cleary Zetterberg Datsyuk Bertuzzi Filppula Franzen Leino Helm Holmstrom Maltby Draper Eaves Oulahen (McGrath) of course lie switching will happen all season, so don't grill me on my combos... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest blueadams Report post Posted August 5, 2009 #1) First of all, can we please stop pairing hank and pav on the same line together! Babs was EXTREMELY hesitant to do so even with all the forward depth we had last season. Fat chance he does at all this season. Hank will be centering the first line. Pav will be centering the second line. End of story. Moving on. #2) I like that Bertuzzi argument...he adds 15 goals and grit. He was also mentioned along with Jason Williams by Delevano the other day. Sounds like Williams fell through (probably because of the KHL), so we replaced him with Eaves. Bertuzzi might be next. Picture these lines... Filppula-Zetterberg-Franzen Eaves-Datsyuk-Cleary Leino-Helm-Bertuzzi Maltby-Draper-Holmstrom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsownnhl43 14 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 #1) First of all, can we please stop pairing hank and pav on the same line together! Babs was EXTREMELY hesitant to do so even with all the forward depth we had last season. Fat chance he does at all this season. Hank will be centering the first line. Pav will be centering the second line. End of story. Moving on. #2) I like that Bertuzzi argument...he adds 15 goals and grit. He was also mentioned along with Jason Williams by Delevano the other day. Sounds like Williams fell through (probably because of the KHL), so we replaced him with Eaves. Bertuzzi might be next. Picture these lines... Filppula-Zetterberg-Franzen Eaves-Datsyuk-Cleary Leino-Helm-Bertuzzi Maltby-Draper-Holmstrom If Im splitting up Z and Dats, Im putting Z with Franzen and Cleary. They were awesome in the playoffs. Filppula-Datsyuk- Homer Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Leino-Helm-Eaves Maltby-Draper-Grier To me, if we cant steal Zherdev for a reasonable cap hit, Im waiting until the deadline to add another top six forward. Sign Greir now so we can keep Abby in GR. Come playoff time we should replace Maltby with abby and make a move for a top six guy. Playoff lines Filppula-Datsyuk- top six deadline addition Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Leino-Helm-Eaves Abdelkader-Draper-Grier Homer(13th forward, pp situations) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Bert's a big softie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 #1) First of all, can we please stop pairing hank and pav on the same line together! Babs was EXTREMELY hesitant to do so even with all the forward depth we had last season. Fat chance he does at all this season. Hank will be centering the first line. Pav will be centering the second line. End of story. Moving on. #2) I like that Bertuzzi argument...he adds 15 goals and grit. He was also mentioned along with Jason Williams by Delevano the other day. Sounds like Williams fell through (probably because of the KHL), so we replaced him with Eaves. Bertuzzi might be next. Picture these lines... Filppula-Zetterberg-Franzen Eaves-Datsyuk-Cleary Leino-Helm-Bertuzzi Maltby-Draper-Holmstrom I like that 3rd line. Helm getting in on the forecheck with Bert crushing other players. Helm digging in the corners, Bert crashing the net and Leino there with the scoring touch. I could see that line being really effective Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 If Im splitting up Z and Dats, Im putting Z with Franzen and Cleary. They were awesome in the playoffs. Filppula-Datsyuk- Homer Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Leino-Helm-Eaves Maltby-Draper-Grier To me, if we cant steal Zherdev for a reasonable cap hit, Im waiting until the deadline to add another top six forward. Sign Greir now so we can keep Abby in GR. Come playoff time we should replace Maltby with abby and make a move for a top six guy. Playoff lines Filppula-Datsyuk- top six deadline addition Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Leino-Helm-Eaves Abdelkader-Draper-Grier Homer(13th forward, pp situations) Holmstrom as the 13th forward Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peleshob 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Is it just me or did this Eaves signing bring out the trolls/tards? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsownnhl43 14 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Holmstrom as the 13th forward What exactly did he do last season that merits him being in the top 12? Based off of what I watched, he is a flat out liability. He's no longer the Tomas Holmstrom of old. I sure as heck dont want him on the ice during the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Bert's a big softie. Even if he was soft, the key word in that sentence is big. Nothing wrong with bringing in a big, canadian boy who can put up 45-50 points evn if he is soft. The fact that he actually isn't soft is just a plus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Is it just me or did this Eaves signing bring out the trolls/tards? Lighten up Francis! Just because it wasn't Grier you don't have to rain on everyones parade! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 What exactly did he do last season that merits him being in the top 12? Based off of what I watched, he is a flat out liability. He's no longer the Tomas Holmstrom of old. I sure as heck dont want him on the ice during the playoffs. It's pretty easy to dump on Holmstrom after last season, being that he was HURT the whole time! Maybe if you cared to watch the previous season or two and look at his ability to piss off a goaltender, tip goals, and pay the price nightly so the team could win, you would see that he deserves and has earned a spot on this roster in the top 6. I sure as heck would want him on the ice during the playoffs! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 It's pretty easy to dump on Holmstrom after last season, being that he was HURT the whole time! Maybe if you cared to watch the previous season or two and look at his ability to piss off a goaltender, tip goals, and pay the price nightly so the team could win, you would see that he deserves and has earned a spot on this roster in the top 6. I sure as heck would want him on the ice during the playoffs! Thats pretty much the story of Holmstrom lately though. Gets hurt and doesn't produce. He's getting old, with age come more injuries I expect him to be in the top 12 this year but not on the top line. Try 3 lines lower then the first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Am I reading this right? Just kidding. I knew what you meant. I really don't know about this whole playing hard thing. Everyone can play hard but everyone won't look like Helm. In saying that, how can you tell if someone is playing hard when in your mind playing hard is the way Darren Helm plays? How do you know Lidstrom is playing hard by that standard? It's interesting that you bring that up. Lang was regularly critizised around here for being a lazy floater, but part of that came down to his style (well part). He was one of those guys who put himself in the right place to take a shot and tended to stick around that spot... kind of how Hull was in his years here. Now obviously Lang wasn't the kind of scorer Hull was, but that kind of player tends to look like they're phoning it in more often than a player like Helm does who looks like a pinball on skates. Lidstrom might seem like that too because his game is so positioning based that he rarely has to rush to get somewhere since he mapped the situation out in his head 30 seconds ago and already started skating towards the spot in question. Lidstrom treats hockey like a good chess player treats the game of chess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peleshob 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Lighten up Francis! Just because it wasn't Grier you don't have to rain on everyones parade! No, that's not what I mean, lol. I'm quite happy with the Eaves signing. I just mean people assuming Helm will score 20 goals, Flip will get 70 points and Holmstrom being the 13th forward... it's like bizarro land. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest blueadams Report post Posted August 5, 2009 No, that's not what I mean, lol. I'm quite happy with the Eaves signing. I just mean people assuming Helm will score 20 goals, Flip will get 70 points and Holmstrom being the 13th forward... it's like bizarro land. word is that kenny really liked burt last time he was here...hes got no history with grier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest blueadams Report post Posted August 5, 2009 I take it back...maybe we should put Hank and Pav back together. I mean, Flip's more than solid enough to be a 2nd line center. Helm's more than solid enough to be a third line center. Draper's (still) more than solid enough to be a 4th line center. Plus, with these two together, Homer gives u great 1st line production...as opposed to being a mediocre third liner. The first two lines are great. The third lines gonna score some goals. The fourth lines gonna be great as well. Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Holmstrom Franzen-Filppula-Cleary Eaves-Helm-Leino Maltby-Draper-Bertuzzi Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Stuart Ericsson-Lebda/Lilja Osgood Howard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Bertuzzi wont be brought here to play on the 4th line. Guys like Niedermayer/Bell/Grier/Peca etc would be those guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
