IF we sign prospal...whats his role?

[Guest blueadams]

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Edited August 6, 2009 by blueadams

[stillwater 186]

Here's an idea, just start a bunch of "what will the lines be" threads, to make it even more difficult to sift through the garbage on this board.

Like seriously, you couldn't put this in any of the other 10 threads you've started in the last two days?

http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.ph...t=0&start=0

http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=60325

http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.ph...t=0&start=0

Edited August 6, 2009 by stillwater

[Echolalia 2,961]

There's nothing like solving a minor problem like being a major ******* to complete strangers.

I'm not sold on Homer playing off the first line. He was going through some tough pain throughout the end of the season last year, so he wasn't anywhere near 100%. Hopefully he can turn it around, because he really is the best in the business.

If we somehow end up picking up Prospal I like the following:

Datsyuk Zetterberg Homer

Prospal Franzen Fillpulla

Leino Draper Cleary

Eaves Maltby Helm

[Guest Shoreline]

If the Wings signed Prospal, Gretzky, Odjick, and Mario Lemieux, it would be something like..

Z-Gretzky-Homer

Dats-Lemieux-Franzen

Prospal-Draper-Helm

Leino-Flip-Cleary

Odjick would be placed on controller #2 on the PS3 in the press box as part of EA's Quality Assurance testing to make sure the fighting in the game is a-ok. Odjick would wear number 69.

[Guest micah]

If the Wings signed Prospal, Gretzky, Odjick, and Mario Lemieux, it would be something like..

Z-Gretzky-Homer

Dats-Lemieux-Franzen

Prospal-Draper-Helm

Leino-Flip-Cleary

Odjick would be placed on controller #2 on the PS3 in the press box as part of EA's Quality Assurance testing to make sure the fighting in the game is a-ok. Odjick would wear number 69.

Sweet. Lemieux is a significant toughness upgrade.

I'd rather they got Kocur, Shanahan, Ward, or McCarty over Odjick, but whatya gonna do?

[newfy 695]

Sweet. Lemieux is a significant toughness upgrade.

I'd rather they got Kocur, Shanahan, Ward, or McCarty over Odjick, but whatya gonna do?

Might as well get Lapointe while you're at it, unless the cap hit is too high

[Guest Shoreline]

Sweet. Lemieux is a significant toughness upgrade.

I'd rather they got Kocur, Shanahan, Ward, or McCarty over Odjick, but whatya gonna do?

Or the team could just trade away useless wussies like Dats, Z, Flip, Malts, Draper, Homer, Mule, Eaves, and the lines could be like..

Boogaard-Kocur-Probert

Boogaard-Parros-Carcillo

Boogaard-Downey-Boogaard

Boogaard-Brock Lesnar-Russell Crowe

82-0 baby, f$#! yeah!

Edited August 6, 2009 by Shoreline

[MaynardJKeenan 1]

There's nothing like solving a minor problem like being a major ******* to complete strangers.

I'm not sold on Homer playing off the first line. He was going through some tough pain throughout the end of the season last year, so he wasn't anywhere near 100%. Hopefully he can turn it around, because he really is the best in the business.

If we somehow end up picking up Prospal I like the following:

Datsyuk Zetterberg Homer

Prospal Franzen Fillpulla

Leino Draper Cleary

Eaves Maltby Helm

I like the top 2 lines you got there, but I'd like to see

Eaves Helm Leino on a line, that would be an awesome 3rd/4th line right there, imo.

Malty Drapes Cleary not bad either, although I'd rather have Justin Abel ( can't spell it) kater in place of maltby on most nights.

[newfy 695]

Or the team could just trade away useless wussies like Dats, Z, Flip, Malts, Draper, Homer, Mule, Eaves, and the lines could be like..

Boogaard-Kocur-Probert

Boogaard-Parros-Carcillo

Boogaard-Downey-Boogaard

Boogaard-Brock Lesnar-Russell Crowe

82-0 baby, f$#! yeah!

The problem with your point of view is that you think a team has to be all skilled players top to bottom. A team should have a thing called balance. None of us "fight" fans ever complain our top lines have Dats, Z, Mule and other skilled goal scoring Euros on them. Its the bottom lines that don't score anyways that we would like some toughness on. I don't get where you see the problem with having people on the 4th line or 3rd that can hit and fight instead of score goals? You must not have played too much hockey in your life down in California or you would know teams need these types of guys.

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The problem with your point of view is that you think a team has to be all skilled players top to bottom. A team should have a thing called balance. None of us "fight" fans ever complain our top lines have Dats, Z, Mule and other skilled goal scoring Euros on them. Its the bottom lines that don't score anyways that we would like some toughness on. I don't get where you see the problem with having people on the 4th line or 3rd that can hit and fight instead of score goals? You must not have played too much hockey in your life down in California or you would know teams need these types of guys.

I dunno why I, or Babs, wouldn't want fighters on the 3rd and 4th lines, given that Babs rolls 4 and sometimes against opposing first lines. I bet if Boogaard were on the Wings 4th line it would have scared Malkin and Crosby off the ice, and the Wings would have won just by being so tough. I see the light now.

Edit: Anyone know what offsides is? I'm in California so I'm new to this hockey thing.

Edited August 6, 2009 by Shoreline

[Guest micah]

Or the team could just trade away useless wussies like Dats, Z, Flip, Malts, Draper, Homer, Mule, Eaves, and the lines could be like..

Boogaard-Kocur-Probert

Boogaard-Parros-Carcillo

Boogaard-Downey-Boogaard

Boogaard-Brock Lesnar-Russell Crowe

82-0 baby, f$#! yeah!

Nah, I think the guys I mentioned are enough to keep the Wings from being embarassed. Maybe, just maybe Franzen wouldn't have s*** himself at the feet of Getz if he had a big brother type figure to teach him how not to s*** himself at the feet of Getz? I think the Wings are good enough to be competetive with a tough guy or two on their roster. I don't think they're that much behind the other best teams in the league, who are able to do so.

Edited August 6, 2009 by micah

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Nah, I think the guys I mentioned are enough to keep the Wings from being embarassed. Maybe, just maybe Franzen wouldn't have s*** himself at the feet of Getz if he had a big brother type figure to teach him how not to s*** himself at the feet of Getz? I think the Wings are good enough to be competetive with a tough guy or two on their roster. I don't think they're that much behind the other best teams in the league, who are able to do so.

Well, we know Mule was brought to this team to be tough, so he should stand up and fight Getzlaf. He wasn't brought here to score or anything -- that would be lame.

[newfy 695]

I dunno why I, or Babs, wouldn't want fighters on the 3rd and 4th lines, given that Babs rolls 4 and sometimes against opposing first lines. I bet if Boogaard were on the Wings 4th line it would have scared Malkin and Crosby off the ice, and the Wings would have won just by being so tough. I see the light now.

Edit: Anyone know what offsides is? I'm in California so I'm new to this hockey thing.

By the sounds of some of the things you say I wouldn't be surprised if you mixed up offsides and icing really. Forget about fighting, we don't even have anyone who really hits on the bottom 2 lines except Helm. I'm going to go ahead and assume you've never played a game of hockey in your life because that physical side of the game is often almost as important as goal scoring. Momentum is a real thing and physical play changes that quite easily, noone says Boogard is going to scare guys off the ice but you don't think some of his fights or big hits have ever swung the momentum in a game or made his team want to up the tempo? I'm not saying we need a heavyweight fighter but someone who can swing some momentum everynow and then wouldn't hurt. Basically someone whose play isn't based on points but the number of guys they can hit on a night or sticking up for teammates when they need to.

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By the sounds of some of the things you say I wouldn't be surprised if you mixed up offsides and icing really. Forget about fighting, we don't even have anyone who really hits on the bottom 2 lines except Helm. I'm going to go ahead and assume you've never played a game of hockey in your life because that physical side of the game is often almost as important as goal scoring. Momentum is a real thing and physical play changes that quite easily, noone says Boogard is going to scare guys off the ice but you don't think some of his fights or big hits have ever swung the momentum in a game or made his team want to up the tempo? I'm not saying we need a heavyweight fighter but someone who can swing some momentum everynow and then wouldn't hurt. Basically someone whose play isn't based on points but the number of guys they can hit on a night or sticking up for teammates when they need to.

Yeah, I've never suggested this team should actually hit.. we should all just play pattycake at center ice.. wait, does hockey use skates?

Hopefully the boys show up for 60 minutes. They needed those breaks like the Cleary breakaway and post to go in because they didn't put a solid effort offensively in the game. They were too soft, didn't finish checks, were not aggressive. You get your breaks by earning them and the Wings did not. Simple as that.

Better be a different story in game 7.

More? Or maybe your sarcasm detector is broken.

[Guest micah]

Well, we know Mule was brought to this team to be tough, so he should stand up and fight Getzlaf. He wasn't brought here to score or anything -- that would be lame.

I didn't say he should have fought Getzlaf (who was also brought into score), I said he shouldn't have s*** himself at the superior man (and player)'s feet. Even the linesman got a kick out of Franzen's cowardly dive. It was embarassing. I felt bad for Johan's family.

[newfy 695]

Yeah, I've never suggested this team should actually hit.. we should all just play pattycake at center ice.. wait, does hockey use skates?

More? Or maybe your sarcasm detector is broken.

With toughess comes hitting. I'm not talking about like Kopecky leading the team in hits but never knocking a guy over hitting here. Someone that hits to hurt. We have Kronwall and Stuart but noone upfront to do that. The types of guys upfront that hit to hurt like that usually tend to fight. I'm not sure why you're so opposed to this type of player and its official you haven't denied it so I'm thinking you have never played hockey so I wouldn't expect you to understand this side of a game.

[Peleshob 0]

Why does everything have to escalate so quickly? Can't we all just get along?

Anywhoooo... I'd like Prospal or Bert for the 2nd line. I could live with just picking up a grinder for the 4th, allowing Eaves to play on the 3rd. I want either of these line-ups:

Z-Dats-Cleary

Mule-Flip-Prospal/Bertuzzi

Leino-Helm-Holmstrom

Maltby-Draper-Eaves

Oulahen

OR

Z-Dats-Cleary

Mule-Flip-Leino

Homer-Helm-Eaves

Maltby-Draper-Grier/Betts/Bell

Oulahen

The more I think of it, I believe that Betts could be a huge help... and Eaves as well. Both could work the PK and are solid defensively. Grier is just a personal pick of my own (on pace for 190ish hits last season) and Bell seems like the kind of project player the Wings would take on.

Alternatively, there are several question marks regarding our offense. Can Flip be a legit #2 center? Can Homer play in the top 6? Can Leino? Adding Bertuzzi would be the cheaper option, I think. He could add 20 goals or so and has an edge. Adding Prospal would help Filppula a lot, I think. He's a decent playmaker and could aid in feeding the Mule.

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With toughess comes hitting. I'm not talking about like Kopecky leading the team in hits but never knocking a guy over hitting here. Someone that hits to hurt. We have Kronwall and Stuart but noone upfront to do that. The types of guys upfront that hit to hurt like that usually tend to fight. I'm not sure why you're so opposed to this type of player and its official you haven't denied it so I'm thinking you have never played hockey so I wouldn't expect you to understand this side of a game.

Drake had 5 fights in that cup season. Kronwall, uh, 0? How many crushing hits did he deliver with a response that drew players wanting to fight him? Oh, and he never bothered fighting. Why? A hit is a hit. Looks like you just threw out the "oh noez u wouldn't understand hockey cuz u dont think this team needs fightars" card, and without merit. The worst part was you really never went after actual serious posts in other topics like "goons", instead decide to make a serious post in response to one that was obviously not serious and extremely sarcastic. Mind boggling.

Also, be aware that I have never said I am opposed to that type of player, but that this is clearly not Kenny or Babs' aim with this team, and it hasn't stopped the team from winning. I'm not with "fighters", I'm with the "Red Wings". I guess part of just starting watching hockey yesterday was not being obsessively idealistic.

Edited August 6, 2009 by Shoreline

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Drake had 5 fights in that cup season. Kronwall, uh, 0? How many crushing hits did he deliver with a response that drew players wanting to fight him? Oh, and he never bothered fighting. Why? A hit is a hit. Looks like you just threw out the "oh noez u wouldn't understand hockey cuz u dont think this team needs fightars" card, and without merit. The worst part was you really never went after actual serious posts in other topics like "goons", instead decide to make a serious post in response to one that was obviously not serious and extremely sarcastic. Mind boggling.

Also, be aware that I have never said I am opposed to that type of player, but that this is clearly not Kenny or Babs' aim with this team, and it hasn't stopped the team from winning. I'm not with "fighters", I'm with the "Red Wings". I guess part of just starting watching hockey yesterday was not being obsessively idealistic.

I are t3h smart

[Buppy 1,720]

I'm guessing we go something like...

Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Cleary

Prospal-Filppula-Franzen

Leino-Helm-Eaves

Holmstrom-Draper-Maltby

i know I'm gonna get eaten up over this, but I wouldn't mind seeing homer out there as a 4th line pp specialist. injured or not, he's looked completely lost out in the open ice lately.

I'd love those top 3 lines, but man, what a terrible 4th. Homer needs to be on a scoring line. His game is completely dependent on having talented playmakers to feed him. Otherwise he's just another old, slow, defensive liability that can't score.

Leave Homer on a top line, move Eaves to the 4th, Cleary or Prospal to the 3rd.

Hank-Pav-Homer

Mule-Flip-Prospal/Cleary

Leino-Helm-Prospal/Cleary

Maltby-Draper-Eaves

or if Babs insists on trying to split up Pav and Hank:

Mule-Hank-Cleary

Prospal-Pav-Homer

Leino-Flip-Eaves

Draper-Helm-Maltby

[titanium2 867]

Why does everything have to escalate so quickly? Can't we all just get along?

Summer is boring in regards to Red Wings obsessions. I cannot wait until George Malik the writer of the snapshots blog comes back from vacation and writes up the scouting reports on the roster. Then we can all argue about how valid they are.

Can Flip be a legit #2 center? Yes, just not a high power offense center.

Can Homer play in the top 6? Yes, he will start there.

Can Leino? Yes, and he will from time to time, but he'll be a tweener.

[eva unit zero 271]

With toughess comes hitting. I'm not talking about like Kopecky leading the team in hits but never knocking a guy over hitting here. Someone that hits to hurt. We have Kronwall and Stuart but noone upfront to do that. The types of guys upfront that hit to hurt like that usually tend to fight. I'm not sure why you're so opposed to this type of player and its official you haven't denied it so I'm thinking you have never played hockey so I wouldn't expect you to understand this side of a game.

You know, Kopecky hits guys plenty hard. Just because he isn't a guy who injures someone every shift didn't mean he isn't an effective hitter. And furthermore, toughness is not hitting to hurt, and the point of hitting is not hurting. You are seriously misinformed.

Toughness is the ability to receive physical play without being intimidated, and if necessary to play through injury when possible, especially when such intimidation or injury would normally be considered overwhelming. Steve Yzerman and Nicklas Lidstrom are examples of toughness. Another good example of toughness? Jiri Hudler and Dan Cleary. Among few Wings the past few seasons willing to dig in the corners and crash the net, despite the fact they are among the smallest guys on the team. And they did it no matter how often opposing defensemen who were several inches taller and 50-60 pounds heavier hitting them and roughed them up in the process.

As far as hitting, the point of hitting is to acquire the puck from the puck carrier, and preferably to put your opponent in a state where he is out of the play. Yes, hurting your opponent will do that, but hitting your opponent to the point where he is simply knocked off balance while you have acquired the puck is an effective hit. Kopecky laid very many of those last season, and the promotion of Helm is the only addition as of yet that will offset Kopecky's physical effectiveness.

[Peleshob 0]

Summer is boring in regards to Red Wings obsessions. I cannot wait until George Malik the writer of the snapshots blog comes back from vacation and writes up the scouting reports on the roster. Then we can all argue about how valid they are.

Can Flip be a legit #2 center? Yes, just not a high power offense center.

Can Homer play in the top 6? Yes, he will start there.

Can Leino? Yes, and he will from time to time, but he'll be a tweener.

Haha, well those would be my answers as well, but I just don't know if they'll be all that consistent.

Flip could have issues with confidence in a bigger role.

Homer could fall back into last year's slump. Let's call a spade a spade... he was useless.

Leino looked great in his small number of games, but he was also streaky in the AHL and had injury issues.

I'm aware how boring it is. Hell, I'm bored too. I just don't think that things should get so nasty. I feel like half of the fans here are Ducks fans or something, haha.

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You know, Kopecky hits guys plenty hard. Just because he isn't a guy who injures someone every shift didn't mean he isn't an effective hitter. And furthermore, toughness is not hitting to hurt, and the point of hitting is not hurting. You are seriously misinformed.

Toughness is the ability to receive physical play without being intimidated, and if necessary to play through injury when possible, especially when such intimidation or injury would normally be considered overwhelming. Steve Yzerman and Nicklas Lidstrom are examples of toughness. Another good example of toughness? Jiri Hudler and Dan Cleary. Among few Wings the past few seasons willing to dig in the corners and crash the net, despite the fact they are among the smallest guys on the team. And they did it no matter how often opposing defensemen who were several inches taller and 50-60 pounds heavier hitting them and roughed them up in the process.

As far as hitting, the point of hitting is to acquire the puck from the puck carrier, and preferably to put your opponent in a state where he is out of the play. Yes, hurting your opponent will do that, but hitting your opponent to the point where he is simply knocked off balance while you have acquired the puck is an effective hit. Kopecky laid very many of those last season, and the promotion of Helm is the only addition as of yet that will offset Kopecky's physical effectiveness.

Another element of hitting is stopping momentum. Countless goals are scored in a rush/transition, and it's frustrating to someone who pays attention to see any team, no less the Wings, pass up on a check only to see that guy score seconds later up the ice. If, say, Marian Gaborik plays the puck up the ice and a player lays the body into him, he is no longer part of that potential rush and has been taken out of that play. THIS is my example of what physical play is and it's benefits. Finishing checks, that is.

Physical play is NOT engaging in after-the-whistle scrums because it pisses people off and they want to see some heads roll. It's not turning around and fighting just because the opposing team didn't like the fact that you hit one of their players. If it's apparently tough to make a hit, as our expert "newfy" declares, then one doesn't need to pick and choose which hits they are talking about, i.e. "big hits".

But what am I talking about. I just started watching hockey yesterday.

Edited August 6, 2009 by Shoreline

[Konnan511 1,736]

There's too much anger in these forums these days and it's pissing me off see every thread get derailed. Trade each other your numbers so you can text it out or e-mail it out. Two things that I need to point out.

Well, we know Mule was brought to this team to be tough, so he should stand up and fight Getzlaf. He wasn't brought here to score or anything -- that would be lame.

Franzen was brought here to be a grinder, not a scorer as he didn't show that much offensive potential. So, technically, he was brought in here to be tough.

I didn't say he should have fought Getzlaf (who was also brought into score), I said he shouldn't have s*** himself at the superior man (and player)'s feet. Even the linesman got a kick out of Franzen's cowardly dive. It was embarassing. I felt bad for Johan's family.

Why do you feel bad for a millionaire's family? Your kids are going to see you back down sometime in your life and humilate yourself, get over the fact Franzen did that, everyone else has.

Remember boys and girls, everybody love everybody.