Top 50 Players According to THN

[19Wingsfan4ever 0]

According to THN 5 players from the Redwings are in the Top 50 list. Also they predicted that the Wings would be ranked #4 in the Western Conference. I think they will finish either 1 or 2 seed in the conference and will WIN the STANLEY CUP IF OUR KEY PLAYERS ARE HEALTH. What do you guys think?

In the Top 10 Ten:

4. Pavel Datsyuk

9. Henrik Zetterberg

10. Nicklas Lidstrom

Impressive 3 players are in the Top 10 Listed

Ex Redwing Marian Hossa at 30

Also in the List

45. Nicklas Kronwall

48. Brian Rafalski

49. Johan Franzen

[aw1340 0]

I'm surprised Kronwall cracked the list, and also I thought Rafalski was left off?

[P. Marlowe 748]

It looks like they remembered the Wings again when they got to late 40's in their list.

[VM1138 1,921]

I'm surprised Kronwall cracked the list, and also I thought Rafalski was left off?

I would have to say Franzen should be higher than them, but certainly Rafalski deserves to be up there. I think Kronwall and Stuart are almost at the exact same level so I feel if one of them is up there both should be.

[Pavel Hossyukstrom 2]

Lids is a little low. Should be at least in the top 3.

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

I posted a new thread about Yahoo's list... Theirs is just awful, this one seems better.

the link

[action jackson 6]

ROFL, lidstrom at 66th

you have got be kidding me!

the yahoo list is really awful

[eva unit zero 271]

ROFL, lidstrom at 66th

you have got be kidding me!

the yahoo list is really awful

The Yahoo list is based on fantasy hockey...which means things like goals and PIM are your things of big importance. Nowhere does the Yahoo list claim to be an accurate ranking of the players for real life, which is good because it's not.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Lids is a little low. Should be at least in the top 3.

Don't worry, we're currently working on a more accurate top 20 right now a few threads over. Feel free to contribute to our research. At the moment our team is investigating who the second best player in the league is.

Edited September 2, 2009 by Echolalia

[19Wingsfan4ever 0]

Lids is a little low. Should be at least in the top 3.

Lidstrom should be at least in the Top 5. Maybe because of his age at 39 soon to be 40. He is the greatest NHL defensemen of all time in my opinion

[kidish 0]

Edit: smart people don't post the drivel I did in error. Thanks for pointing it out, toby91.

Edited September 2, 2009 by kidish

[toby91_ca 620]

THN's list is all kinds of busted.

Keep in mind, for a publication that listed Getzlaf as the third best Canadian hockey player a couple weeks ago to leaving him off this list completely (while having the crippled Foppa and underwhelming Jagr listed so high), it needs a vast grain of salt.

And Pronger at the second spot? He's real good...but not number-two overall.

Then again, I haven't read what criteria they use for this list.

I have no idea what list you are talking about. Pronger #2?, Jagr?

You sure you are looking at a current list?

Edit: The list I'm looking at has Getzlaf at #7 and the 3rd best Cdn behind Crosby and Luongo.

Edited September 2, 2009 by toby91_ca

[kidish 0]

I have no idea what list you are talking about. Pronger #2?, Jagr?

You sure you are looking at a current list?

Probably not! Haha. I was viewing "a top 50 list" on the Habs site that someone posted. Now isn't that special if it isn't the proper one here.

Edit: yeah my bad, it is an older list (I missed that one) from McKeens.

Edited September 2, 2009 by kidish

[Casey 145]

The Yahoo list is based on fantasy hockey...which means things like goals and PIM are your things of big importance. Nowhere does the Yahoo list claim to be an accurate ranking of the players for real life, which is good because it's not.

Exactly. Lids, despite his greatness, isn't the kind of defenseman you need in a fantasy league. Kind of like Holmstrom- can't build a top line without him (if he's healthy), but the guy's way down the list if you're talking fantasy.

[numberthirtynine 0]

THN is really impressing me lately

Datsyuk should be 1. I don't care if I look like a homer, I know the best player when I see him. No one is the total package like Pavel. No one. He can do anything.

And Lidstrom is way too low. Lemme guess-Chara was higher? What a joke. Zdeno "disappear in the last 3 months,playoffs included" Chara.

[numberthirtynine 0]

Exactly. Lids, despite his greatness, isn't the kind of defenseman you need in a fantasy league. Kind of like Holmstrom- can't build a top line without him (if he's healthy), but the guy's way down the list if you're talking fantasy.

Lidstrom is a fantasy hockey superstar. Unless you're heavy on PIMs, he's one of the highest scoring defensemen around. He's got high points, high plus/minus yearly, high PP points. Lidstrom is fantasy gold.

[kidish 0]

Datsyuk should be 1. I don't care if I look like a homer, I know the best player when I see him. No one is the total package like Pavel. No one. He can do anything.

Datsyuk is amazing, no doubt. But without the just-as-deep Detroit team around him, would he be as effective? This is one of those scenarios where since your team is real, real good, it is harder to quantify individual success.

[numberthirtynine 0]

I usually just like to use my eyes in that case. A obviously foreign concept to the media. Datsyuk does well with pretty much any linemates we give him and I'm positive he'd make anyone look good. He has had Homer on a line with him and hasn't missed a beat-not many Wings nowadays can say that. That's harsh to say about Homer but it's just true, sadly. He's a Selke winner and a Hart nominee. That in my book is enough to make you top 3 if not 1 by default. He does everything. He's the best passer in hockey, best stick handler, a great skater, perfect vision, great playmaker, can hit, plays awesome D, is strong as an ox on the puck, is calm and poised, is clean and classy, never takes penalties, and hell, he even lead the team in goal scoring one year. He's so good that if you point out his skills objectively, you'd look like a homer.

We're so eager to award Ovie everything and I do think he is the #2 forward after Pavel, but Ovie has a stacked team, too. They don't look at Detroit as a stacked team, they look at Detroit as Detroit, who has an image that reaches beyond stacked team. Our logo ensures our players they'll never get recognition because we've developed that very image. Ovechkin is surrounded by talent, left and right. But Ovechkin isn't the all around player Datsyuk is. The difference between their point totals isn't as big as the difference between their defensive play if compared.

Crosby? f*** off, I'd take Malkin first but Malkin's D isn't as good as Pavel's.

I'd take Pavel because he does what he does with bouncing linemates, and while playing D. Hank devoted the previous season to playing even more D and look what it did to him. Look at past Selke winners. Look at anyone defensive forward and 9 out of 10 of them score about 30-40 poitns a year. Playing D cripples your offense. 97 points from Pavel is mind blowing and I have no doubt that if we asked him ot just skate down the ice like an offensive madman and do nothing but create plays on O, like Pitt does with Malkin and Crosby, like Ovie does, like all of his competition does, he'd score 110-120 points per year. Imagine if we didn't have a deep-as-hell #2 PP unit and Pavel saw the ice even more, like some players?

[Casey 145]

Our logo ensures our players they'll never get recognition because we've developed that very image.

"With a name like the Detroit Red Wings, it has to be good!"

Just thought you should know you made me think of Smucker's jam.

[kidish 0]

To numberthirtynine (didn't want to quote all that!): I think Dats is an amazing player. I'd just be hard put to say he's number one when he's played on a great team all along. And nobody here can say Detroit isn't what all other teams in the league consider "stacked." Detroit is the measuring stick for the rest of the league, but that should be a compliment to you all. Whether it's reputation alone or truly earned isn't my say really, but back-to-back trips to the Finals tell me that Dats isn't having to be the best player in the league to get his team there.

The Caps just got talent added last season -- Ovie was still amazing his rookie year, with nobody around him. Same with Crosby: he didn't start with Malkin and crew there, but he made everyone better.

I'm not saying that lessens Datsyuk at all, I just think it's more difficult for anyone to say where he stands when he already stands on a great squad.

[numberthirtynine 0]

"With a name like the Detroit Red Wings, it has to be good!"

Just thought you should know you made me think of Smucker's jam.

I hate you. Now I want toast with smuckers jam.

[numberthirtynine 0]

To numberthirtynine (didn't want to quote all that!): I think Dats is an amazing player. I'd just be hard put to say he's number one when he's played on a great team all along. And nobody here can say Detroit isn't what all other teams in the league consider "stacked." Detroit is the measuring stick for the rest of the league, but that should be a compliment to you all. Whether it's reputation alone or truly earned isn't my say really, but back-to-back trips to the Finals tell me that Dats isn't having to be the best player in the league to get his team there.

The Caps just got talent added last season -- Ovie was still amazing his rookie year, with nobody around him. Same with Crosby: he didn't start with Malkin and crew there, but he made everyone better.

I'm not saying that lessens Datsyuk at all, I just think it's more difficult for anyone to say where he stands when he already stands on a great squad.

You've just got to watch more than if you're a member of the media or someone handing out opinion-based accolades. Judge yourself if you think he'd be able to do this elsewhere. Some of the greatest players of all time have played on the most stacked teams ever assembled. We seem to pick and choose which ones we reward with praise and which we just label "system players". I don't want to say it feels as if we base it on nationality, but sometimes it seems that way. Edited September 2, 2009 by numberthirtynine

[19Wingsfan4ever 0]

Imagine if we didn't have a deep-as-hell #2 PP unit and Pavel saw the ice even more, like some players?

Yeah I could imagine Pavel Scoring 50-60 goals per season and over hundred points if the Wings weren't that deep. I feel the same with Henrik Zetterberg as well.

[numberthirtynine 0]

If that was sarcasm, it failed.