Vladiator 116 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 Hey, even 1 mil can pay my way through college. Private universities are a *****. Very true, I suppose there can be a bright side to extortion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 Have any of you guys ever been to Russia? Seems like you've heard too many stories about the danger of living there. Detroit is more dangerous than any city in Russia that I know of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P. Marlowe 748 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 Have any of you guys ever been to Russia? Seems like you've heard too many stories about the danger of living there. Detroit is more dangerous than any city in Russia that I know of. That's what it's like to be on only one side of propaganda. With all these generalisations it seems like in NA it's tough inside the rink and soft outside the rink while in Russia it's the other way round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 There would probably be no Jiri Fischer anymore had his seizure happened in Russia... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donfishmaster 62 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 I had several good acquaintances of mine try to set up vineyard/winery operations in Russia a few years ago. First, every person at every level of every governmental or quasi-govermental organization they encountered required bribes every time they were encountered. Secondly, every contract they made with Russians was in no way ever honored, only used as a blueprint to extort a better next-generation contract, ad infinitum. Business contracts and property rights were in no way enforced or respected, only used to extort more bribes and ever more contracts favorable to the Russkies. Equipment and labor purchases were not provided as they were held up by individuals requiring bribes before passed on to other individuals requiring bribes. After several dedicated years of trying to legally set up vineyards/wineries (Russia has the potential for some excellent, world-class wine production, all of which is unrealized) they abandoned the project several hundreds of thousands of dollars poorer and with a substantial distaste for all things Russian. My impression as an observer was that the Russians have no historical will to engage in legitimate business, and any money sent or spent there is advancing the cause of Soviet corruption. Good luck playing hockey for a living there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 Hey, even 1 mil can pay my way through college. Private universities are a *****. That was your choice... Is there a chain around your ankle? Public Universities do wonders also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 There would probably be no Jiri Fischer anymore had his seizure heart stopped in Russia... Fixed it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 Hey, even 1 mil can pay my way through college. Private universities are a *****. Come to Canada... as a Canadian citizen you can go to a world class university for around $5,000 CDN a year! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted September 23, 2009 That was your choice... Is there a chain around your ankle? Public Universities do wonders also. That is until Nov '08... now they're flooded w/ no money to accept. Many have closed their doors to new students. It's the same with everything, there's good and bad apples. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 That was your choice... Is there a chain around your ankle? Public Universities do wonders also. I'm not complaining. I'm just stating that 700 a credit hour is incredibly expensive no matter who you are. Also there are very few public universities that are as accredited as the one I'm going to for my specific major. In other words, just stuff it Nancy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest lnvincible Report post Posted September 23, 2009 I think players are only going for the contracts there getting offered. Its complete waste of talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 Fixed it Well yeah, I was being too nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 I had several good acquaintances of mine try to set up vineyard/winery operations in Russia a few years ago. First, every person at every level of every governmental or quasi-govermental organization they encountered required bribes every time they were encountered. Secondly, every contract they made with Russians was in no way ever honored, only used as a blueprint to extort a better next-generation contract, ad infinitum. Business contracts and property rights were in no way enforced or respected, only used to extort more bribes and ever more contracts favorable to the Russkies. Equipment and labor purchases were not provided as they were held up by individuals requiring bribes before passed on to other individuals requiring bribes. After several dedicated years of trying to legally set up vineyards/wineries (Russia has the potential for some excellent, world-class wine production, all of which is unrealized) they abandoned the project several hundreds of thousands of dollars poorer and with a substantial distaste for all things Russian. My impression as an observer was that the Russians have no historical will to engage in legitimate business, and any money sent or spent there is advancing the cause of Soviet corruption. Good luck playing hockey for a living there... Unfortunately, for decades, most of the aspiring, creative entrepeneurs in Russia had nowhere to turn to than crime syndicates and the black market. A successful, completely legite, russian friend of mine made a killing in russia as a young man by running an 'illegal' passport scam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 (edited) Have any of you guys ever been to Russia? Seems like you've heard too many stories about the danger of living there. Detroit is more dangerous than any city in Russia that I know of. Not personally, but I have been studying Russian history my college life from 11th century of Russian History to the modernization of Russia. Couple that with studying the language I would say I have an above average understanding of Russia and it's history from the Serfs to the emancipation of the Nobels and to be honest, most of the stories shared in this thread are true as bribes to the nobelmen and Tsar of the past are quite apparent in modern Russia today. Just like racism is still alive in the US today because of our past, the past of Russia also haunts the present Russia. Edited September 23, 2009 by Konnan511 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 Not personally, but I have been studying Russian history my college life from 11th century of Russian History to the modernization of Russia. Couple that with studying the language I would say I have an above average understanding of Russia and it's history from the Serfs to the emancipation of the Nobels and to be honest, most of the stories shared in this thread are true as bribes to the nobelmen and Tsar of the past are quite apparent in modern Russia today. Just like racism is still alive in the US today because of our past, the past of Russia also haunts the present Russia. Things are definitely different there, but it's not like you can't walk the streets without being afraid for your life. It's a different world, but every country has their own quirks. Russia is better than most places, that's for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 Things are definitely different there, but it's not like you can't walk the streets without being afraid for your life. It's a different world, but every country has their own quirks. Russia is better than most places, that's for sure. It's like most countries, there are the safe parts, the corrupt parts, the deadly parts, the (fill in the blank) parts...When talking about how many countries there are in the world, as a whole, Russia is definately one of the better places, but in reality, that's not really saying much. I know I may seem I'm bias, but I plan on living in Russia in the next half decade or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 ^ The people's elbow!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted September 23, 2009 How many of these moves to the KHL are: a) Made by the player b) Made by the player, after being talked into it by their agent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted September 24, 2009 That's what it's like to be on only one side of propaganda. With all these generalisations it seems like in NA it's tough inside the rink and soft outside the rink while in Russia it's the other way round. What propaganda? I base what I know of going to Russia to make money on the experiences of colleagues who have gone to Russia in hopes of making money. They aren't exactly chest-thumping United states nationalists. What I know of foreigners coming to the States to sell their expertise is based off the expiriences of those I know who have come here to do so, mostly from India and China. Only one group complains of extortion and veiled threats, and it isn't the group that's coming to the states to work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
