stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 He's off to quite a start right now... considering the back problems, I understand why we chose to waive him over Lebda or Meech, but how nice would he look back there instead right now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGKEIB 32 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 It's a real bummer, but he just didn't seem to perform as well as Meech did at the time. On a brighter note, I know that many people were disappointed about losing Matthias in the Bertuzzi deal, but apparently (haven't been following him) he hasn't been living up to expectations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 He's off to quite a start right now... considering the back problems, I understand why we chose to waive him over Lebda or Meech, but how nice would he look back there instead right now... More power to Qunicey most definitely. Bottom line though for people who are still bitter that he was waived, he had his chances to prove to be on the big club here during stints in the previous seasons and last training camp/preseason, and he failed to do it. Do I wish he was still with the Wings? Sure, but ultimately he didn't make his own breaks enough when he was with the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 Matthias hasn't been doing that bad still not even close to what he was supposed to be. I follow the Florida prospects pretty well, have a friends in their rank. He is playing really well on the PK and got a lot faster turned his game into a grinder role pretty much. Still don't seem him becoming anything beyond a 3rd-4th liner though so it doesn't look like a bad deal for the Wing's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted October 13, 2009 He's off to quite a start right now... considering the back problems, I understand why we chose to waive him over Lebda or Meech, but how nice would he look back there instead right now... He's gotten so much more ice time in the last year. There's no way he'd have developed as much playing 5 min here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 I'm sure there was method behind Holland's madness. If I remember correctly, there was rumor that Quincy wanted to crack a top 4 d-man and requested to be moved for a chance to prove himself. If this is correct, Holland let him go out of courtesy of what Quincy wanted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 He's gotten so much more ice time in the last year. There's no way he'd have developed as much playing 5 min here. He probably wouldn't be as good as he is right now had he not gone to LA first as well, that really threw him to a wolves den, which forced him to mature... once again, I understand the reasons why, it's just one of those things that you look at and go... hmm... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 The Wings have been known for having good intuition with players, but they just blew it there. What the hell did Holland and company ever see in Meech and Lebda that made them better than Quincey? Yeah, Quincey is playing better now than he ever did in Detroit, but when he was here, I still thought he was better than both of those guys. Apparently, the Wings felt differently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted October 13, 2009 I'm sure there was method behind Holland's madness. If I remember correctly, there was rumor that Quincy wanted to crack a top 4 d-man and requested to be moved for a chance to prove himself. If this is correct, Holland let him go out of courtesy of what Quincy wanted. Holland indeed stated after putting Quincey on waivers that he'd promised Quincey to do so if he (Holland) felt that Quincey would not get significant ice-time last season. The Wings have been known for having good intuition with players, but they just blew it there. What the hell did Holland and company ever see in Meech and Lebda that made them better than Quincey? Yeah, Quincey is playing better now than he ever did in Detroit, but when he was here, I still thought he was better than both of those guys. Apparently, the Wings felt differently. Quincey wasn't an enforcer. The fact that neither Lebda nor Meech are enforcers either is irrelevant. We're talking about Quincey in particular here, and he just wasn't an enforcer! He needed to go! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 He's off to quite a start right now... considering the back problems, I understand why we chose to waive him over Lebda or Meech, but how nice would he look back there instead right now... i must be in the small group that didn't understand why lebda and meech were kept by the wings and quincey was let go. from the start quincey was a better hitter, bigger, less stupid giveaways/mistakes, and he can skate for his size. i was pissed right off when he was waived and am still quite unhappy about it seeing as he's playing really good for the divealanche. the wings would be far better off right now, and last season with a 3rd defense pairing of ericsson and quincey. f***! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 Certain players need lots of minutes to play to their potential, just as others can't handle a lot of minutes and flourish in limited roles (ie Hudler was better on the 3rd line than he ever was on the top two). Quincey was one of those players that needed a top pairing role which he was NEVER going to get with the Wings. I wish him the best of luck, I liked him when he was here, but the best thing that could have ever happened to him was leaving the Wings. Think Rafalski with 6th defenseman minutes, would probably look like Lebda at times, even though he is worlds more talented, thats how I see things happening with Quincey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 Holland indeed stated after putting Quincey on waivers that he'd promised Quincey to do so if he (Holland) felt that Quincey would not get significant ice-time last season. Quincey wasn't an enforcer. The fact that neither Lebda nor Meech are enforcers either is irrelevant. We're talking about Quincey in particular here, and he just wasn't an enforcer! He needed to go! When did I say he was an enforcer? I'm not comparing the guy to Lilja, I'm just saying that I always thought he was better than Lebda and Meech. Very strange post, Crymson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 i must be in the small group that didn't understand why lebda and meech were kept by the wings and quincey was let go. from the start quincey was a better hitter, bigger, less stupid giveaways/mistakes, and he can skate for his size. i was pissed right off when he was waived and am still quite unhappy about it seeing as he's playing really good for the divealanche. the wings would be far better off right now, and last season with a 3rd defense pairing of ericsson and quincey. f***! While I agree I would have preferred one of Meech or Lebda go when we lost Quincey, I disagree with the idea of him being as good for the Wings as he has been elsewhere. He lacked the versatility to be a lower pairing defenseman and his growth would have been stunted playing 7th dman for the Wings. We have to remember, when the Wings got rid of Quincey, they were giving him an opportunity elsewhere at a time when the ceiling for his growth as a defenseman was much lower, at the time we had Chelios, Lilja, and Lebda ahead of him in a 5 man race for 2 spots. Now Lilja is injured and Chelios is gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 When did I say he was an enforcer? I'm not comparing the guy to Lilja, I'm just saying that I always thought he was better than Lebda and Meech. Very strange post, Crymson. I was wondering about that reply as well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 i must be in the small group that didn't understand why lebda and meech were kept by the wings and quincey was let go. from the start quincey was a better hitter, bigger, less stupid giveaways/mistakes, and he can skate for his size. i was pissed right off when he was waived and am still quite unhappy about it seeing as he's playing really good for the divealanche. the wings would be far better off right now, and last season with a 3rd defense pairing of ericsson and quincey. f***! Holland is a man of his word... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 i must be in the small group that didn't understand why lebda and meech were kept by the wings and quincey was let go. from the start quincey was a better hitter, bigger, less stupid giveaways/mistakes, and he can skate for his size. i was pissed right off when he was waived and am still quite unhappy about it seeing as he's playing really good for the divealanche. the wings would be far better off right now, and last season with a 3rd defense pairing of ericsson and quincey. f***! Like I stated above, Quincy wanted a chance at being a top 4. No way was he going to bump Kronwall or Ralfi down and get their ice time. Of course Holland could have been an ******* and forced him to stay to get little ice time, he granted Quicy his chance by placing him on waivers. (Holland tried trading Quincy, but obviously nothing came of it). Holland and the Wings will gain more by being honest, true to his word, and caring about players needs and wants. That's why players want to come here... they know they are taken care of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 He's gotten so much more ice time in the last year. There's no way he'd have developed as much playing 5 min here. Bingo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 I'm sure there was method behind Holland's madness. If I remember correctly, there was rumor that Quincy wanted to crack a top 4 d-man and requested to be moved for a chance to prove himself. If this is correct, Holland let him go out of courtesy of what Quincy wanted. That's news to me. Quincey wasn't able to crack the top 7 D and was moved because he was wasting away as the #8 d-man and pointlessly taking up cap space. Holland told him he'd find a place for him to play if he couldn't make the Wings squad (in other words make the top 7) and he did just that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 I'd say Draper's contract and Quincey have been Holland's biggest gaffs in recent years -- which is pretty incredible in the scheme of things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 All these "reasons" are hogwash! Everybody knows Quincey took Babcock's parking spot at the Joe one time and the next day he was let go. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pucks 66 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 The guy played 4 years in Grand Rapids. The brass should have known what they had in Quincey. So instead they sign chelios to a pointless contract. Then tell Quincey they don't care what he's done in our system, It's going to come down to a training camp tryout. Gee I wonder why that didn't work out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 That's news to me. Quincey wasn't able to crack the top 7 D and was moved because he was wasting away as the #8 d-man and pointlessly taking up cap space. Holland told him he'd find a place for him to play if he couldn't make the Wings squad (in other words make the top 7) and he did just that. Must have been a different Quincey that was called up and played solid in the playoffs when Schneider was injured... Q wanted more ice time and that wasn't an option for him here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 I'd say Draper's contract and Quincey have been Holland's biggest gaffs in recent years -- which is pretty incredible in the scheme of things. Tomas Kopecky's entire career here was a Holland gaffe. Better players were in the minors, while he was taking up their roster spots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alienanxiety 23 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 I wouldn't say Quincey is off to a great start. he's a minus-7. having said that, I have no idea why LA would trade him away, just one season after stealing him from the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 Must have been a different Quincey that was called up and played solid in the playoffs when Schneider was injured... Q wanted more ice time and that wasn't an option for him here. That was in the 06-07 playoffs. In the 07-08 training camp he was terrible. In the 07-08 GR year he was brutal. He was called up in February of 08 along with a handful of other prospects (Ericsson and Meech, I believe). Quincey was terrible and he was the first guy sent back down to GR, Meech being the second one sent down and Ericsson the last one sent back down. In the 07-08 playoffs he was a black ace but wasn't used. In the 08-09 training camp he was terrible. In the 08-09 preseason he was horrible. At every step of the game he was outplayed by Meech, even though Meech is pretty mediocre. Finally, having failed at every opportunity since the 06-07 playoffs, and having attracted zero trade offers, Quincey was placed on waivers. Later, after LA gave him more than 20 mins a night on the 1st pairing he blossomed into a good young d-man. However, in that same scenario maybe Meech would respond the same way. Who knows? Players develop differently when given 20 mins a night for a full season than they do when they play 10 mins a night 45 times a year. The point is this-- your sarcasm aside, Quincey failed his way out of the organization. He had one good playoff run as a third pairing rookie d-man where he didn't make mistakes and looked like he could be a good d-man in the future. However, every single game after that playoff run was a chance to prove himself worthy. He dropped the ball. Holland didn't. Quincey failed to beat out Meech of all people, even though Q had a huge size and strength advantage over Meech AND he had that good playoff run to his name as well. In the end it doesn't matter much. Ericsson is a better prospect than him and the last spot is only temporarily held by Meech. If Lilja can't come back and return to form expect Holland to pick a serviceable 3rd pairing d-man who provides what Lilja did (assuming Lebda continues to play terribly). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
