stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 I wouldn't say Quincey is off to a great start. he's a minus-7. having said that, I have no idea why LA would trade him away, just one season after stealing him from the Wings. where the hell are you getting your stats from? He's a -7 on his career, not this season... you can hardly hold last year with the Kings against him... He's a +1 with 6pts in 5 games this year - MSN Link Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerfan1999 81 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 (edited) I'd say Draper's contract and Quincey have been Holland's biggest gaffs in recent years -- which is pretty incredible in the scheme of things. I agree completely. It didn't make sense to me at the time, and it still doesn't. Quincey looked pretty damn solid in those playoffs in '07 when Kronwall was out, and after seeing him then, it was pretty clear that he could play above Chelios, Meech, Lebda, and possibly even Lilja in the near future. I have no idea why they decided to waive him over some of the other guys - even if they couldn't give him top 4 minutes (which seems like a bulls*** story, based on the fact that we had Lids, Kronwall, Rafi, Stuart, and Lilja..no way Holland would have ever guaranteed him top 4 mins). It seemed like a similar situation in the 07 playoffs and we saw in last years playoffs with Ericsson. I thought we were going to see Quincey full time in 08. For all the great moves Holland has made, I think he just f***ed this one up royally. EDIT - Can't stand seeing the title with his name spelled 'Quincy'...I think I even read it in a couple posts too. Edited October 13, 2009 by Yzerfan1999 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 I agree completely. It didn't make sense to me at the time, and it still doesn't. Quincey looked pretty damn solid in those playoffs in '07 when Kronwall was out, and after seeing him then, it was pretty clear that he could play above Chelios, Meech, Lebda, and possibly even Lilja in the near future. I have no idea why they decided to waive him over some of the other guys - even if they couldn't give him top 4 minutes (which seems like a bulls*** story, based on the fact that we had Lids, Kronwall, Rafi, Stuart, and Lilja..no way Holland would have ever guaranteed him top 4 mins). It seemed like a similar situation in the 07 playoffs and we saw in last years playoffs with Ericsson. I thought we were going to see Quincey full time in 08. For all the great moves Holland has made, I think he just f***ed this one up royally. No it makes complete sense. He had one good playoff run then he was terrible from that point on. He was horrible when called up to the NHL, horrible in the preseason and horrible in GR after the 07 playoffs. Meech hugely outplayed him in all those situation, and although we all knew Quincey had a good playoff run before he was unable to show the Wings anything after that. You can't be terrible for more than a year and expect that you can rest on your laurels as a incoming rookie that had 14 strong NHL games in his career. As far as comparing him to Ericsson goes I wouldn't go that far. Ericsson was amazing in the playoffs, scored the only goal in game 7, got significant PK time and was paired with Lidstrom on the top pairing at various points. Quincey was played on the bottom pairing in the 07 playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 People should stop dwelling in the past. No one complained when the Wings won the cup on how it could of been or how it should of been. We are Wings fans and should be happy with any decisions this organization takes. Sure some stuff you could disagree and stuff but please no more dwelling in the past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krystal 41 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 People should stop dwelling in the past. No one complained when the Wings won the cup on how it could of been or how it should of been. We are Wings fans and should be happy with any decisions this organization takes. Sure some stuff you could disagree and stuff but please no more dwelling in the past. I don't necessarily think it's people dwelling on the past. I personally find it exciting to watch this kid who couldn't quite crack the ranks of the Detroit D make a name for himself elsewhere. I thought he looked fantastic in the season opener with Colorado vs San Jose and while it bums me that he isn't getting a chance to play here with us I'm extremely happy for him where he is and that he's allowed the ice time to flourish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pucks 66 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 It's also quite fitting that the guys that were kept over him, Lebda, Meech, Chelios together couldn't land you Quincey in a trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stiffy 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 My only real beef is we lost him for nothing. Darn cap, but what are you going to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Staggering, absolutely staggering to think that Derek "I'm an absolute spud" Meech could outplay this guy for a spot in Detroit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P. Marlowe 748 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) Wings traded Quincey to Dallas, but because of his herniated disc he didn't pass the physical and the deal was nixed. This forced Wings to waive him. http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/10/th...d_wings_ha.html Edited October 14, 2009 by P. Marlowe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Tomas Kopecky's entire career here was a Holland gaffe. Better players were in the minors, while he was taking up their roster spots. That's how I felt when he left too. Although I definitely saw him getting PP time the other night. If other teams see something in him too, maybe he actually can develop with more ice time the same way Kyle Quincey did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 I could be wrong, but during Quincey's great playoff run of 06-07, did Babcock frequently toss him out there with Lidstrom to minimize the problem? I seem to recall that. I also recall him playing 4 or 5 minutes a and the big deal was he didn't f*** up to o hard too often. Look, clearly we should have kept him knowing what we know now. But based upon the data at the time, with our forced hand... whatever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 That was in the 06-07 playoffs. In the 07-08 training camp he was terrible. In the 07-08 GR year he was brutal. He was called up in February of 08 along with a handful of other prospects (Ericsson and Meech, I believe). Quincey was terrible and he was the first guy sent back down to GR, Meech being the second one sent down and Ericsson the last one sent back down. In the 07-08 playoffs he was a black ace but wasn't used. In the 08-09 training camp he was terrible. In the 08-09 preseason he was horrible. At every step of the game he was outplayed by Meech, even though Meech is pretty mediocre. Finally, having failed at every opportunity since the 06-07 playoffs, and having attracted zero trade offers, Quincey was placed on waivers. Later, after LA gave him more than 20 mins a night on the 1st pairing he blossomed into a good young d-man. However, in that same scenario maybe Meech would respond the same way. Who knows? Players develop differently when given 20 mins a night for a full season than they do when they play 10 mins a night 45 times a year. The point is this-- your sarcasm aside, Quincey failed his way out of the organization. He had one good playoff run as a third pairing rookie d-man where he didn't make mistakes and looked like he could be a good d-man in the future. However, every single game after that playoff run was a chance to prove himself worthy. He dropped the ball. Holland didn't. Quincey failed to beat out Meech of all people, even though Q had a huge size and strength advantage over Meech AND he had that good playoff run to his name as well. In the end it doesn't matter much. Ericsson is a better prospect than him and the last spot is only temporarily held by Meech. If Lilja can't come back and return to form expect Holland to pick a serviceable 3rd pairing d-man who provides what Lilja did (assuming Lebda continues to play terribly). Quincey is better than Meech and lebda. That's as much a failure on how Holland developed him as it is on Quincey's inability to perform. Everyone here is quick to point out what a genius Holland is, but they backed themselves into a corner due to Chelios, Q got put on waivers, and suddenly all this untapped potential was realized. There's blame on both sides. Because clearly Quincey had the ability to perform better than he was given the right circumstances, which involved more than icetime. Because if he was a trainwreck, even in LA he wouldn't have gotten that amount of minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Wings traded Quincey to Dallas, but because of his herniated disc he didn't pass the physical and the deal was nixed. This forced Wings to waive him. http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/10/th...d_wings_ha.html Interesting. I have to wonder if that was just a way out of a trade Dallas didn't want. Quincey must've had to pass a physical for LA, right? If they were looking for an offensive puck moving defenseman, he wasn't it. He was pretty good on the PP in LA, but mostly I think he excelled as a stay at home guy who kept it simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Quincey is better than Meech and lebda. That's as much a failure on how Holland developed him as it is on Quincey's inability to perform. Everyone here is quick to point out what a genius Holland is, but they backed themselves into a corner due to Chelios, Q got put on waivers, and suddenly all this untapped potential was realized. There's blame on both sides. Because clearly Quincey had the ability to perform better than he was given the right circumstances, which involved more than icetime. Because if he was a trainwreck, even in LA he wouldn't have gotten that amount of minutes. I wouldn't read too much into Drake_Marcus' posts in regards to Quincey. Otherwise a good poster but he's really blinded by the fact Detroit did no wrong in regards to Quincey. Clearly they did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Quincey is better than Meech and lebda. That's as much a failure on how Holland developed him as it is on Quincey's inability to perform. Everyone here is quick to point out what a genius Holland is, but they backed themselves into a corner due to Chelios, Q got put on waivers, and suddenly all this untapped potential was realized. There's blame on both sides. Because clearly Quincey had the ability to perform better than he was given the right circumstances, which involved more than icetime. Because if he was a trainwreck, even in LA he wouldn't have gotten that amount of minutes. Oh I agree that they should've seen this in Quincey-- it's not like Holland isn't supposed to see the untapped potential. I just find it rediculous how many people forget how horrible he was after the 06-07 playoffs. I mean Howard was an AHL all-star that year, does that mean now people would bemoan dumping him? Not a chance. They'd start doing it once he got hot for someone else. When Quincey left he was waived, which means Holland couldn't get a deal for him other than the Dallas trade that fell through. That speaks to how terribly he was up until his release. I still think a big part of this is plain old growth. Quincey grew after being slapped into reality with the waive situation. All the power to him. In the preseason Holland mentioned that he told Quincey he'd like to try and find a way to get him back in Detroit after releasing him, so it's not like Holland was happy to see him go. It was just a business thing. In the end it doesn't really matter. We have no idea how Q would be playing in Meech's shoes right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 I wouldn't read too much into Drake_Marcus' posts in regards to Quincey. Otherwise a good poster but he's really blinded by the fact Detroit did no wrong in regards to Quincey. Clearly they did. I have a habit of remembering too much detail. So I remember how dismally Quincey played for the year and a half leading up to his dismissal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) Staggering, absolutely staggering to think that Derek "I'm an absolute spud" Meech could outplay this guy for a spot in Detroit. But he did at the time, and at that time Quincey failed to show he could close up a permanent/almost permanent spot on the big roster. Qunicey had more than enough time and more than his fair share of chances to make it whether it was through the minors or stints with the Wings and what not, and he failed to deliver - if playing full time for the Wings is what he wanted. Edited October 14, 2009 by SouthernWingsFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 The Wings have been known for having good intuition with players, but they just blew it there. What the hell did Holland and company ever see in Meech and Lebda that made them better than Quincey? Yeah, Quincey is playing better now than he ever did in Detroit, but when he was here, I still thought he was better than both of those guys. Apparently, the Wings felt differently. Agreed. I remember thinking that there must have been some kind of undisclosed hiccup that pooched any kind of deal between the Wings and Quincy. I remember thinking that Quincy's potential upside was much stronger than what I was seeing from Meech and Lebda. No sense in crying over spilt milk, but I was never a fan of Lebda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Turns out Quincey was traded... to Dallas. But failed his physical: http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/dal091013.html "They told me to turn the cab around," Quincey said in the article. "The Stars' doctor saw my MRI and saw the herniated disk, and they said they didn't want to deal with it." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Turns out Quincey was traded... to Dallas. But failed his physical: http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/dal091013.html Meech fails a physical each time he's on the ice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Meech fails a physical each time he's on the ice. GMR with the zinger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wombat 26 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Back then, I wanted the Wings to keep Quincey. Not because he was necessarily better than Lebda or Meech, but because he was a different type of defenseman than them. Lebda and Meech are basically the same player, which is basically a faster, less skilled Rafalski. The Wings already had a lot of that type of player on the blueline. Quincey was a bit more of a stay-at-home guy that could drop the gloves if needed and be a more physical element on the blueline. That's why I wanted him to stay. I doubt if he did stay that he'd be the player he is today. His growth would probably still be stunted. We'll never know, but it seems to be about universally acknowledged that signing Chelios for last year was a bad move, and losing Quincey was a result of keeping Chelios. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) Meech fails a physical each time he's on the ice. for the 3! and... drains it! Edited October 14, 2009 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted October 15, 2009 But he did at the time, and at that time Quincey failed to show he could close up a permanent/almost permanent spot on the big roster. Qunicey had more than enough time and more than his fair share of chances to make it whether it was through the minors or stints with the Wings and what not, and he failed to deliver - if playing full time for the Wings is what he wanted. Wings had him pigeon holed as a defensive defenceman when it turns out he's a point producing PP quarterback. We messed up, simple. He's the same guy he always was, the talent was always there. Meech fails a physical each time he's on the ice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) Wings had him pigeon holed as a defensive defenceman when it turns out he's a point producing PP quarterback. We messed up, simple. He's the same guy he always was, the talent was always there. And in the end, he still failed to show he was better than Lebda or Meech. He had his opportunities. A little bit of both columns in this scenario. Edited October 15, 2009 by SouthernWingsFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
