Guest mindfly Report post Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) Lidstrom was uber bad last night... even his skating looked slow and he's the softest player in the4 history of the nhl, yeah lidstrom let them stand parked with two players with their asses in the goalie's face - f*cking great.. I miss the good ol days when he didnt wear that ugly visor, played 30minutes a night was a +2-5 on a daily basis, and just a bit under a point per game player. Edited October 14, 2009 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blueliner 69 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Whats different between 07's team and last years debacle of a PK and so far this years? McCrimmon... ding ding ding... Sorry time for Brad to roll on and get a real defensive coach. I think we have a winner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Fire McCrimmon... Exactly what I've been saying all along. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blueliner 69 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Fire McCrimmon... Get it done, Kenny! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 I've gotta concur with the McCrimmon firing. You can't fire the players....it's been going on for a year + now...they need a shakeup...no one to call up or trade for....might have to happen. Long overdue in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 While I don't argue the Wings have left a lot to be desired both on the PK and defensively as a whole, its not as if the Wings haven't started this way practically every season since the lockout. Perhaps not as noticeably on the PK as last season and this, but the Wings have started slow for more than just the past couple years. I realize the Wings are going to have to earn the division title far more than they've had to in recent seasons, but realistically this team isn't that different than the one that won the Cup a few seasons ago. Out: Hudler, Samuelsson, Drake In: Bertuzzi, Williams, Eaves, May There's no arguing that those changes are pretty much a wash, and this team just needs to push through. They will. Losing Franzen though is going to force Bert, Williams, Filppula, Cleary and Homer to take a big step up. Sidenote: Those calling for McCrimmon's head....its hard to argue given the amount of time he's had to make his impact........he flat out hasn't. Lidstrom was uber bad last night... even his skating looked slow and he's the softest player in the4 history of the nhl, yeah lidstrom let them stand parked with two players with their asses in the goalie's face - f*cking great.. I miss the good ol days when he didnt wear that ugly visor, played 30minutes a night was a +2-5 on a daily basis, and just a bit under a point per game player. You do realize Lidstrom isn't 32 anymore, right? Have some realistic expectations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltgator333 3 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Something that hasn't been mentioned that I've noticed so far is that I think we could really use another un-fancy stay-at-home veteran dman that knows what they're doing on the PK. I really think we have only 2 dmen that are good, consistent penalty kill guys. And I'm getting into this because it seemed to me that it was from the faceoff dots down that the wings were getting killed last night. There's nobody in GR that can get it done. Lebda isn't the answer, and Meech obviously wasn't the answer to him. Somebody else (in real life that doesn't care to chat on here) was trying to make a case to me for firing McCrimmon not more than 2 weeks ago... hmmmm...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 GMR... you're officially a net-nerd for saying 'epic fail'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Something that hasn't been mentioned that I've noticed so far is that I think we could really use another un-fancy stay-at-home veteran dman that knows what they're doing on the PK. I really think we have only 2 dmen that are good, consistent penalty kill guys. And I'm getting into this because it seemed to me that it was from the faceoff dots down that the wings were getting killed last night. Lilja.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 While I don't argue the Wings have left a lot to be desired both on the PK and defensively as a whole, its not as if the Wings haven't started this way practically every season since the lockout. Perhaps not as noticeably on the PK as last season and this, but the Wings have started slow for more than just the past couple years. I realize the Wings are going to have to earn the division title far more than they've had to in recent seasons, but realistically this team isn't that different than the one that won the Cup a few seasons ago. Out: Hudler, Samuelsson, Drake In: Bertuzzi, Williams, Eaves, May There's no arguing that those changes are pretty much a wash, and this team just needs to push through. They will. Losing Franzen though is going to force Bert, Williams, Filppula, Cleary and Homer to take a big step up. Sidenote: Those calling for McCrimmon's head....its hard to argue given given the amount of time he's had to make his impact........he flat out hasn't. You do realize Lidstrom isn't 32 anymore, right? Have some realistic expectations. Best post in the thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sixer 37 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Fire McCrimmon... +1 This is the most logical decision. It has too be done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 The question is, is it the players not playing well(getting older/fatigued/bad decisions), or the scheme not right for the type of players we have. I've been on McCrimmon since he got here, I really do not like how we play on the PK and 5v5 in the defensive zone, we are very very passive. Funny thing is there is a thread that is eerily familiar, that was back in April 09'. Interesting to compare how we saw the team playing then, and how we see the team playing now. This thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilmrt 636 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 The question is, is it the players not playing well(getting older/fatigued/bad decisions), or the scheme not right for the type of players we have. I've been on McCrimmon since he got here, I really do not like how we play on the PK and 5v5 in the defensive zone, we are very very passive. Funny thing is there is a thread that is eerily familiar, that was back in April 09'. Interesting to compare how we saw the team playing then, and how we see the team playing now. This thread. Hey Carman, you're right on the money here. Everyone here saw the problems with the defensive STYLE of play (this is completely seperate from the players; they mostly just play the system they're coached to play) back when playoff time was heating up last season. The Wings have gotten off to slow starts for quite a while now, and everyone expects them to ramp it up when April rolls around. And they largely did....except when it comes to what you mentioned: the PK and 5 on 5 in the Wings' own zone. These shortcomings are just an extension of last season, and in saying that, I only see McCrimmon to take the majority of the blame. Now someone tell Ilitch this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chase 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 While I don't argue the Wings have left a lot to be desired both on the PK and defensively as a whole, its not as if the Wings haven't started this way practically every season since the lockout. Perhaps not as noticeably on the PK as last season and this, but the Wings have started slow for more than just the past couple years. I realize the Wings are going to have to earn the division title far more than they've had to in recent seasons, but realistically this team isn't that different than the one that won the Cup a few seasons ago. Out: Hudler, Samuelsson, Drake In: Bertuzzi, Williams, Eaves, May There's no arguing that those changes are pretty much a wash, and this team just needs to push through. They will. Losing Franzen though is going to force Bert, Williams, Filppula, Cleary and Homer to take a big step up. Sidenote: Those calling for McCrimmon's head....its hard to argue given given the amount of time he's had to make his impact........he flat out hasn't. You do realize Lidstrom isn't 32 anymore, right? Have some realistic expectations. Well said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 GMR... you're officially a net-nerd for saying 'epic fail'. EPIC FAIL will most likely be written on my tombstone someday. And everyone here is pretty much a net nerd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 So many reasons, but one not mentioned so far is how easily opponents gain our zone on the PP. You watch the really good PK teams and it all starts with stopping the opponents from getting control in your own zone. We seem content to let them skate up the ice and let them set up their PP nice and easy. From there its all the other reasons mentioned - (lack of) hustle, shot blocking, rebound control or clearing opposing forwards from round our net. And Lidstrom being nearly 40. I know they weren't all PP goals, but from memory 5 of the 6 goals last night were off rebounds - and its not just d-men not clearing the crease, Williams not coasting back from the neutral zone would help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderpriest 8 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Whats different between 07's team and last years debacle of a PK and so far this years? McCrimmon... ding ding ding... Sorry time for Brad to roll on and get a real defensive coach. Amen. I wondered when someone would mention the assistant coaching. Todd McLellan leaves for San Jose, & San Jose improves dramatically and captures the President's Trophy. In the meantime, Detroit's defensive lapses multiply and the PK is unrecognizable. I'm not going to blame everything on McCrimmon, because we've had a lot of personnel turnover, but I think that there is definitely something to this. It's not like our players just started to suck for some unknown reason. It's not a coincidence that things started drifting downhill when Todd left. And okay....we did get within one game of the Stanley Cup.....but I think that we really underacheived. We should've blown the Pens away, but our defensive play was awful and I wanted to lock myself in another room whenever we took a penalty - because I knew it would end up in the back of the net. Every time. And that's unacceptable for this team. Sorry.....had to vent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icesurfer 75 Report post Posted October 15, 2009 The goalie is suppose to be the best penalty killer...... enough said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 15, 2009 PK units at +/- 60% - we should be 29th or 30 in NHL... and people laugh when I said that Betts, Moen or Grier is a NEED... Nothing was done in offseason to get PK units better. Another thing, it's nice when your star players are playing on PK - but maybe they should play more quality minutes 5 on 5 and on PP in order to get going that 1st line... Lebda, Meech are very, very bad... if they don't call up Delmore they should really try to trade either one for Ian White wich we be better option on PP 2nd unit that Williams (who isn't playing bad)... Who laughed at you saying we needed a gritty PK specialist? Everyone knew our PK sucked last season, it wasn't exactly a secret around here. I agree with you here, but don't feel like you were a minority. Then you go and suggest we bring up Delmore!?! He's the worst defensive player on the depth chart! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dynheart 42 Report post Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) The goalie is suppose to be the best penalty killer...... enough said. I really don't understand this logic. Realistically speaking, a 5 on 0 = a goal 99.9% of the time. Add 3 or 4 useless bodies that do nothing but stand still and screen...how do you expect any goalie to perform under that type of situation? Ozzie's first game this season, yea he played bad...rightfully so. Hardly played in the pre-season, new equipment and rusty. Top that with him getting 1 year older. All you young folks will soon find out no matter how much you keep in shape, you can't beat the clock. Also, we had no reason beating Chicago. They out shot and out played us...we won. Why? Goaltending. Washington...that was a toss up, and a goal tender match. Both goalies were facing excellent and quality chances. Goaltending held out. Buffalo. Ozzie didn't play bad really. He tried to keep the wings in the game with some crazy ass saves, but to no avail. You really can't expect a goalie to stop every 2 or 3 on 0...let alone 5 in one period. Sounds like a defense problem. Many people say "I can't stand Wings fans"...funny really, I'm one of them. Most of you act like they are supposed to be perfect and score every time they shoot, or block every shot. WHich is hypicritical in a way. How is ok for us to be able to score on command on great goal tenders, but Ozzie isn't aloud to give any at all? Blah... Edited October 15, 2009 by Dynheart Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
