Glencross Suspended 3 Games for Hit

[jollymania 162]

I thought of that. I'm sure Center Ice and Youtube have a lot to do with raising awareness about questionable hits. But that still doesn't account for all of it.

There's a lot more headshots now than there have been. That video you posted only confirms what I'm saying, as most of those arent elbows or shoulders to the head in the open ice like there has been lately. Guys gets sticks up during and after the hit (its not like I'm saying they were angels then) but that kind of stuff is a lot less likely to cause a concussion than a shoulder to the head of a guy who's not expecting to get hit. And those are supposed to be the best hits of a the decade. Someone could put together a highlight reel with more headshots from this season alone.

There wasn't youtube back then, but there was HNIC, and they sure weren't talking about hits to the head as a major problem in the 80s.

Are you joking? There are tons of boderline hits in that video, all with crappier helmet technology too. The slewfoot at 51 is filthy

Edited November 10, 2009 by jollymania

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Wow harold. Defensive much? The entire issue I have with some people today is the fact that they bring up the fact that there is "lack of respect" in the league, and only cite increased concussions and head injuries as the evidence. That isn't evidence in and of itself. You talk about hits that there are more hits where the player gets very little of the players body. How many? One? Two? Richards hit? Sure. This hit? Absolutely. Phaneuf's hit in the preseason? No. Orr's hit on Lebda? No. The hit on Hedman a couple days back? No. Mike Brown's hit on Hudler back in the playoffs? No. Brad Stuart's hit on Umberger? No. How many hits with head injuries have been a direct result of blatant head shots?

Once again, you have a correlation, and that is a start. But that isn't magical evidence that the game has changed and players don't respect anyone anymore. You could argue that players aren't respecting the defenders by putting themselves in positions that allow them to be wrecked by solid hits.

Not defensive. Just sick of you arguing for arguing's sake.

Again you go after the lack of respect angle, since that's the easiest for you to debate, even though I said in my last post that wasn't my main point. There has been an increasing number of headshots in the last few seasons than I have seen in many, many years of hockey. shoulders, elbows. guys are making more contact with a guys head then they had when hitting in the past. By choice, not by fluke.

save your condescension and nitpicking for someone else.

good lord. i'm sick of you.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Are you joking? There are tons of boderline hits in that video, all with crappier helmet technology too. The slewfoot at 51 is filthy

of course there are borderline hits. I was talking about headshots.

[jollymania 162]

of course there are borderline hits. I was talking about headshots.

there are plenty of them in there, look it doesnt get past the 2nd hit and theres already an elbow to head, and boardings involving head to glass contact which is worse then shoulder to head.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

there are plenty of them in there, look it doesnt get past the 2nd hit and theres already an elbow to head, and boardings involving head to glass contact which is worse then shoulder to head.

based on what?

I didn't see more than one or two hits where a guy got almost none of the body and clipped a guy in the noggin. And that's a highlight video taken from a decade. There's more headshot highlights already this season.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Not defensive. Just sick of you arguing for arguing's sake.

Again you go after the lack of respect angle, since that's the easiest for you to debate, even though I said in my last post that wasn't my main point. There has been an increasing number of headshots in the last few seasons than I have seen in many, many years of hockey. shoulders, elbows. guys are making more contact with a guys head then they had when hitting in the past. By choice, not by fluke.

save your condescension and nitpicking for someone else.

good lord. i'm sick of you.

Honestly Harold, you need to relax and take some time outside if a discussion with someone you don't even know is pissing you off this much. It's a discussion forum. A place for people to discuss certain opinions about a certain issue. If you don't like it when someone disagrees with certain parts of your argument (which apparently to you is nitpicking) then perhaps a discussion forum isn't for you.

And once again, you say there are more headshots but you don't show me any. I can think of two this year which involve actual targets to the head. The majority of hits that involve the head happen out of unfortunate circumstance (such as the numerous I mentioned in my previous post), and a lot of it can be attributed to multiple different things, the least of which is lack of respect or whatever you seem to think is in the players heads that makes them "big bad meanies" in comparison to the players of the past.

Either discuss it or don't. Don't ***** and moan about it.

[jollymania 162]

based on what?

I didn't see more than one or two hits where a guy got almost none of the body and clipped a guy in the noggin. And that's a highlight video taken from a decade. There's more headshot highlights already this season.

Based on the hardness immovability of the glass in most circumstances. There were like 20 in that vid what were you watching? I don't understand why you think the hitting was any less dangerous back in the day, if anything it is safer now with the upgrades in padding. Headshots were always in the game, players haven't lost respect. The object of hitting someone open ice is and always has been to obliterate them and take them off their game.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Honestly Harold, you need to relax and take some time outside if a discussion with someone you don't even know is pissing you off this much. It's a discussion forum. A place for people to discuss certain opinions about a certain issue. If you don't like it when someone disagrees with certain parts of your argument (which apparently to you is nitpicking) then perhaps a discussion forum isn't for you.

And once again, you say there are more headshots but you don't show me any. I can think of two this year which involve actual targets to the head. The majority of hits that involve the head happen out of unfortunate circumstance (such as the numerous I mentioned in my previous post), and a lot of it can be attributed to multiple different things, the least of which is lack of respect or whatever you seem to think is in the players heads that makes them "big bad meanies" in comparison to the players of the past.

Either discuss it or don't. Don't ***** and moan about it.

Honestly Doc, you're not pissing me off. Thanks for the explanation how a discussion forum works. i've been here a while and debated with plenty of people about the game.

I just think you're a condescending ****** who loves debating more than hockey.

Regards,

Harold

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Based on the hardness immovability of the glass in most circumstances. There were like 20 in that vid what were you watching? I don't understand why you think the hitting was any less dangerous back in the day, if anything it is safer now with the upgrades in padding. Headshots were always in the game, players haven't lost respect. The object of hitting someone open ice is and always has been to obliterate them and take them off their game.

I strongly disagree about the padding. If anything, I think the football style hard shell pads has made it much worse on the guy being hit. Those things are like concrete. And it allows players to throw themselves with total abandon at a guy. I think if guys still had shoulder pads more like Shanny wore, there'd be fewer concussions.

We'll have to agree to disagree about the headshots, because I've seen more these last couple seasons than I remember seeing in watching years of hockey. The open ice headshots in particular.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Honestly Doc, you're not pissing me off.

Seems to be the case considering how upset your posts tend to get when responding to me, the fact you call me a condescending ******, and the fact you are sick of me.

Thanks for the explanation how a discussion forum works. i've been here a while and debated with plenty of people about the game.

Yet can't discuss it with me without hateful remarks and anger? Honestly if you think I'm doing something that is hurting the discussion then argue that. Don't lower yourself to petty insults.

I just think you're a condescending ****** who loves debating more than hockey.

Regards,

Harold

Strange how you think to know so much about me. Like I said before this is a discussion forum, and I like to discuss things, especially opposing viewpoints. You've never seen me at a game. You've never watched a game with me. You have no idea what I watch and how I watch it. So I would like you to think about what exactly leads you to believe what you just wrote.

I strongly disagree about the padding. If anything, I think the football style hard shell pads has made it much worse on the guy being hit. Those things are like concrete. And it allows players to throw themselves with total abandon at a guy. I think if guys still had shoulder pads more like Shanny wore, there'd be fewer concussions.

Bingo.

Edited November 10, 2009 by Doc Holiday

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Seems to be the case considering how upset your posts tend to get when responding to me, the fact you call me a condescending ******, and the fact you are sick of me.

Yet can't discuss it with me without hateful remarks and anger? Honestly if you think I'm doing something that is hurting the discussion then argue that. Don't lower yourself to petty insults.

Strange how you think to know so much about me. Like I said before this is a discussion forum, and I like to discuss things, especially opposing viewpoints. You've never seen me at a game. You've never watched a game with me. You have no idea what I watch and how I watch it. So I would like you to think about what exactly leads you to believe what you just wrote.

wherever did I get the crazy idea you're a condescending ******??

*going to a corner to think about what I've done*

so long Doc.

[Doc Holiday 0]

wherever did I get the crazy idea you're a condescending ******??

*going to a corner to think about what I've done*

so long Doc.

So wait, you insult me, I say that you shouldn't lower yoruself to those petty insults if you want to have an open honest discussion, and you once again insult me?

For the record YOU were the one who started the tirade of insults and accusations against my character in this thread. It was YOU who chose not to argue the content and instead argued the poster.

(And if you put me on ignore, then it's too bad you weren't no daisy. Just too high strung)

Edited November 10, 2009 by Doc Holiday

[jollymania 162]

I strongly disagree about the padding. If anything, I think the football style hard shell pads has made it much worse on the guy being hit. Those things are like concrete. And it allows players to throw themselves with total abandon at a guy. I think if guys still had shoulder pads more like Shanny wore, there'd be fewer concussions.

We'll have to agree to disagree about the headshots, because I've seen more these last couple seasons than I remember seeing in watching years of hockey. The open ice headshots in particular.

if you are talking head hits, yes they are worse if you are being hit by the big shoulder pads, and that is why we are talking about head shots, they just need to come up with some safer pads to protect the idiot with his head down. Those same pads do protect players from the boards, sticks, pucks, ect.. though.

[Buppy 1,720]

if you are talking head hits, yes they are worse if you are being hit by the big shoulder pads, and that is why we are talking about head shots, they just need to come up with some safer pads to protect the idiot with his head down. Those same pads do protect players from the boards, sticks, pucks, ect.. though.

Shoulder pads aren't really the problem. Indirectly perhaps, in that with better shoulder protection, players are able to hit harder and more solid. (One thing you'll notice in that 80s video, is a lot more pushing in the checks along the boards...a big shoulder check against the boards back then would hurt the hitter almost as much as the hittee.)

That I think is the crux of the respect argument. It's not that players are trying to hurt people, they're just not congnizant of how much damage they can do. Maybe respect is the wrong word.

As far as equipment, helmets and chin straps are where to look. If that OHL kid's helmet had been strapped on, he probably wouldn't have missed a game, much less nearly died.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Shoulder pads aren't really the problem. Indirectly perhaps, in that with better shoulder protection, players are able to hit harder and more solid. (One thing you'll notice in that 80s video, is a lot more pushing in the checks along the boards...a big shoulder check against the boards back then would hurt the hitter almost as much as the hittee.)

That I think is the crux of the respect argument. It's not that players are trying to hurt people, they're just not congnizant of how much damage they can do. Maybe respect is the wrong word.

As far as equipment, helmets and chin straps are where to look. If that OHL kid's helmet had been strapped on, he probably wouldn't have missed a game, much less nearly died.

That is a big thing. Especially since players have gotten bigger and the game has gotten faster. There are many different issues that need to be addressed if the league wants to minimize the amount of head injuries in the sport.

[Hack & Whack Rule! 160]

Seems to be the case considering how upset your posts tend to get when responding to me, the fact you call me a condescending ******, and the fact you are sick of me.

Yet can't discuss it with me without hateful remarks and anger? Honestly if you think I'm doing something that is hurting the discussion then argue that. Don't lower yourself to petty insults.

Strange how you think to know so much about me. Like I said before this is a discussion forum, and I like to discuss things, especially opposing viewpoints. You've never seen me at a game. You've never watched a game with me. You have no idea what I watch and how I watch it. So I would like you to think about what exactly leads you to believe what you just wrote.

Bingo.

Embrace your inner douchebag. Let it overcome your outer douchebag. Seriously, it's getting to the point where you can't have a differing opinion without being called names around here. In every thread there is one poster who has to take everything personally, and the sticks and stones come out.

[Rivalred 630]

NHL needs to mandate a instant 10 game suspension and hefty fines for head shots. This crap has to stop...

[Carman 387]

NHL needs to mandate a instant 10 game suspension and hefty fines for head shots. This crap has to stop...

I agree NHL needs to remind these players to keep their head up, hitting their wallet might help reinforce it.

[Rivalred 630]

I agree NHL needs to remind these players to keep their head up, hitting their wallet might help reinforce it.

Any where we can get some side mirrors and blinkers installed on a players helmet?

Edited November 11, 2009 by Rivalred

[Doc Holiday 0]

Any where we can get some side mirrors and blinkers installed on a players helmet?

This is the only play where a player has been completely blindsided by a cheap hit (correct me if I'm wrong, I'll gladly retract) this season, so that sarcastic statement would only apply to Drury.

[Guest Shoreline]

Wow harold. Defensive much? The entire issue I have with some people today is the fact that they bring up the fact that there is "lack of respect" in the league, and only cite increased concussions and head injuries as the evidence. That isn't evidence in and of itself. You talk about hits that there are more hits where the player gets very little of the players body. How many? One? Two? Richards hit? Sure. This hit? Absolutely. Phaneuf's hit in the preseason? No. Orr's hit on Lebda? No. The hit on Hedman a couple days back? No. Mike Brown's hit on Hudler back in the playoffs? No. Brad Stuart's hit on Umberger? No. How many hits with head injuries have been a direct result of blatant head shots?

Once again, you have a correlation, and that is a start. But that isn't magical evidence that the game has changed and players don't respect anyone anymore. You could argue that players aren't respecting the defenders by putting themselves in positions that allow them to be wrecked by solid hits.

Beautifully put. Even if I semi-slightly agree with harold that the respect in the game has been slipping, even though hits to the head are certainly not where any significant portion of that lies, you've done almost infinitely a better job at backing up what you're saying, i.e. you're a ******. That's pretty much how it goes.

Edited November 11, 2009 by Shoreline

[ComradeWasabi 109]

This is the only play where a player has been completely blindsided by a cheap hit (correct me if I'm wrong, I'll gladly retract) this season, so that sarcastic statement would only apply to Drury.

I dunno, depends on how you look at the Richards hit. I think Richards completely blindsided him, the difference is that Booth actually had the puck. In any case, Booth definitely could have used a mirror on that play.