up2here 41 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Article Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Overall I don't have any real beef with the picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyphoenix 153 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Lidstrom deserves it. He is hands down the best defenseman in the NHL and while it seems he is on a decline offensively, he certainly still plays excellent defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EuroTwin 240 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Nick = god or maybe superman. "When you've won so many Norris Trophies than you can play a game of Jenga with them, I'd say that warrants inclusion on this list." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FunkedUp 29 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) Nick is undoubtedly the best player of the decade, and he would have 7 if it wasn't for the lockout and could be in a position to tie Bobby O. Quite simply, it's an honor to exist on this planet during his hockey career. Edited November 24, 2009 by FunkedUp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Pretty damn good list. Can't really argue any. It's been awesome to grow up seeing Lidstrom play every single game. One of the greatest players ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Pretty damn good list. Can't really argue any. It's been awesome to grow up seeing Lidstrom play every single game. One of the greatest players ever. Agreed. I just wish I could relive it. It's going to be hard to see him decline and retire. About as hard as it was to see Stevie go through that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Yeah, can't imagine having yet another captain of the Wing's. Btw nice sig. I love Cyanide and Happiness Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Yeah, can't imagine having yet another captain of the Wing's. Btw nice sig. I love Cyanide and Happiness Thanks. I've been on a Cyanide and Happiness binge lately after forgetting to read it for a few months. At least we know Zetterberg's transition to captain will be smooth. Just like Lidstrom was, Zetterberg's been the heir apparent to the C for quite some time now. And just like Lids, he backed it up with a Conn Smythe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LidstromIsASuperhero 29 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Call me a homer here but I don't think Crosby or Ovechkin have really played enough seasons to be on that list. Plus, it's hard to overlook the 540 or so points Pavel Datsyuk has put up in the past decade... I think players who have consistently put up huge numbers deserve to be on that list more than two players who have been in the league since 2004-05. Players like Lecavlier (sp?), Kovalchuk, and even Martin St. Louis had a huge season or two. If you're going to put Crosby and Ovechkin that high, you should consider putting Malkin on there too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) I'm not sold on Croby and Ovechkin on this list either. they played only half of the decade whatsoever I'd say Vinny Lecavalier, Daniel Alfredsson, Danny Heatley, Ilya Kovalchuk or Mats Sundin deserve the honors before. Edited November 24, 2009 by akustyk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 I dont mind seeing crosby and ovechkin on this list, even though their role is entirely post-lockout. Call me crazy, but the only person who I think should not be on this list is Scott Niedermeyer, thats just me. I understand why guys like Lecavalier and crew don't make the list, they have had good seasons, and they also had some just OK seasons (which is also my argument for Niedermeyer). Sundin makes some sense to me, but overall, a pretty good list I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropkickshanahans 463 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 I'm not sold on Croby and Ovechkin on this list either. they played only half of the decade whatsoever I'd say Vinny Lecavalier, Daniel Alfredsson, Danny Heatley, Ilya Kovalchuk or Mats Sundin deserve the honors before. The list is best players of the decade, and Crosby and Ovechkin have played in this decade, so they obviously belong on the list. I don't know how you can argue that they should be off the list in favor of who you mentioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsRox 614 Report post Posted November 24, 2009 So glad to see Lidstrom on top AND Crosby somewhat further down the list . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted November 25, 2009 The list is best players of the decade, and Crosby and Ovechkin have played in this decade, so they obviously belong on the list. I don't know how you can argue that they should be off the list in favor of who you mentioned. with the similar logic Grant Fuhr makes this list, because he did play in this decade. or Wendel Clark or Ray Borque Crosby and Ovechkin are a marketing strecht in this list. I'd rather see a list compiling guys who played essential majority of the decade in the NHL. and no, I'm not arguing if Crosby or Ovechkin are worse than Lecavalier, Alfredsson, ... I only say that a list of best players of the decade (and I don't mean: somewhere between 2000 and 2009 but through the entire decade) there's better guys to choose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings Gone Wild 6 Report post Posted November 25, 2009 The list is best players of the decade, and Crosby and Ovechkin have played in this decade, so they obviously belong on the list. I don't know how you can argue that they should be off the list in favor of who you mentioned. I think it's a legit argument to say Ovie and Crosby shouldn't be on the list, because if you look at Puck Daddy's criteria and explanations, everything on there is cumulative for the entire decade, and playing half of it should be considered. He had a post already where he named the top 10 individual seasons of the decade, and Ovie and Crosby deserve to be on there, but not on the all-decade list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Of course, Sid only needs 4 years to be a player of the DECADE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Call me a homer here but I don't think Crosby or Ovechkin have really played enough seasons to be on that list. Plus, it's hard to overlook the 540 or so points Pavel Datsyuk has put up in the past decade... I think players who have consistently put up huge numbers deserve to be on that list more than two players who have been in the league since 2004-05. Players like Lecavlier (sp?), Kovalchuk, and even Martin St. Louis had a huge season or two. If you're going to put Crosby and Ovechkin that high, you should consider putting Malkin on there too. I'm with you. How can either one be a "player of the decade" when they only played in half the decade? Maybe I don't get it but shouldn't one of the requirements be that they actually played the whole decade? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Of course, Sid only needs 4 years to be a player of the DECADE. He only needed 4 years to be a Stanley Cup champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings Gone Wild 6 Report post Posted November 25, 2009 He only needed 4 years to be a Stanley Cup champion. Datsyuk only needed one year... no love? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EuroTwin 240 Report post Posted November 25, 2009 The list is best players of the decade, and Crosby and Ovechkin have played in this decade, so they obviously belong on the list. I don't know how you can argue that they should be off the list in favor of who you mentioned. Well if that's your argument, where the hell is Yzerman on this list? He played in this decade, why isn't he on this list? Or Hull? Or Robitaille? Or Hasek? Or Larionov? Or... do you really need me to go on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Datsyuk only needed one year... no love? Let me know when Datsyuk becomes a PPG playoff performer. You would of been better served to say Zetterberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropkickshanahans 463 Report post Posted November 25, 2009 (edited) with the similar logic Grant Fuhr makes this list, because he did play in this decade. or Wendel Clark or Ray Borque Crosby and Ovechkin are a marketing strecht in this list. I'd rather see a list compiling guys who played essential majority of the decade in the NHL. and no, I'm not arguing if Crosby or Ovechkin are worse than Lecavalier, Alfredsson, ... I only say that a list of best players of the decade (and I don't mean: somewhere between 2000 and 2009 but through the entire decade) there's better guys to choose. I knew you or someone else would use that logic response. I guess by your logic, Sakic and Jagr shouldn't be on the list either, right? The last four years that Crosby and Ovechkin have played in the league, Ovechkin has won 5 different trophies (Hart twice, Calder, Ross, Richard twice, and Pearson twice) and Crosby has 3 (Hart, Ross, and Pearson) and a Stanley Cup. Only Heatley has a measly Calder and Kovalchuk/Lecavalier both have a Richard (and Vinny also has a SC too). Since playing in their first four years in the league, they've both accumulated 100+ points in 3 seasons out of their 4 played. As a total in their first 4 seasons: Ovechkin - 420 points (4 seasons) 105 point average Crosby - 397 points (4 seasons) 99.3 point average Other players on your list since the beginning of the 2000 season: Lecavalier - 574 (8 seasons) 71.8 pt. avg. Kovalchuk - 557 (7 seasons) 79.6 pt. avg. Alfredsson - 652 (8 seasons) 81.5 pt. avg. Heatley - 543 (7 seasons) 77.6 pt. avg. Sundin - 561 (8 seasons) 70.1 pt. avg. So I believe Ovechkin and Crosby do deserve to be on that list, since they have been the most dominate players in the league next to the other players already on that list. But you obviously think they don't because they have played half a decade and because they're marketed? Again, it's best players of the last decade, and no doubt they deserve to be on the list. Edited November 25, 2009 by dropkickshanahans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropkickshanahans 463 Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Well if that's your argument, where the hell is Yzerman on this list? He played in this decade, why isn't he on this list? Or Hull? Or Robitaille? Or Hasek? Or Larionov? Or... do you really need me to go on? Did those players have better seasons than Crosby and Ovechkin have had this decade? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theophany 110 Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Let me know when Datsyuk becomes a PPG playoff performer. You would of been better served to say Zetterberg. Let me know when Crosby and Ovechkin become mainstays of their PK, then I'll start caring about their PPG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites