thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Pwned. Only if you think one lone Cup makes you superior. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Highest +/- on the team, best face-off man in the playoffs(or tied with Zetterberg), 37 less penalites minutes than Malkin, more goals than Malkin, 7% higher shooting percentage than Malkin, same TOI. The finals are a testament of how effective Lidstrom/Zetterberg are, not how much better Malkin is than Crosby. If Malkin was more dangerous, Zetterberg and Lidstrom would of shadowed him not Crosby. No, Zetterberg had a history of shutting down Crosby last year so he did the same thing this year-- he shut down the guy he knew he could shut down. The Wings knew they could shut Crosby down so they went with what they knew they could do. Last year they coudn't shut Malkin down once he woke up. There was no reason to think they should try and do so again when they had the option to shut the guy down they knew they could shut down. Also: 2009 Playoffs: Crosby: 24gp 15g 16a 31pts +9 (1.29 points per game) Ovechkin: 14gp 11g 10a 21pts +10 (1.5 points per game) pwned Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 How did Ovechkin do on those faceoffs or those battles in the defensive zone? Oh wait, he is cherry picking during those situations. I'll take a top center over a top winger anyday. Let me know the last Winger to lead a team to a Stanley Cup.(serious question it could of been a couple years ago for all I know haha). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 OMG! By your brilliant logic McCarty is better than Crosby! (and unlike Crosby, McCarty's actually scored a cup winning goal) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Everybody knows McCarty > Crosby > Ovechkin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 How did Ovechkin do on those faceoffs or those battles in the defensive zone? Oh wait, he is cherry picking during those situations. I'll take a top center over a top winger anyday. Let me know the last Winger to lead a team to a Stanley Cup.(serious question it could of been a couple years ago for all I know haha). Considering that Ovechkin posted a superior +/- in 40% fewer games I'd say your defense argument is bulls***. Ovechkin plays left wing, so you win there-- he doesn't take face-offs. Crosby's hardly the best face-off man in the league either. He's above average now, but was horrible in the past. Woppie- he's doing something better that Ovechkin doesn't do due to his position. That's like saying Ovechkin's better at playing on the Capitals than Crosby is-- meaningless because the two players cannont be compared on the basis of a statistic that's exclusive to one player's position. It's as stupid as saying that Ovechkin's a better Russian than Crosby. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Check the face-off stats again. He is the best in the league at the moment. Centers are much more signifcant to team victories than wingers, that's just the game and my opinion. Come on Drake are you really going to tell me +/- is the best stat to use for defense? How about Ovechkin's 25 giveaways compared to Crosby's 17. What about the 40% more games with that stat? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 (edited) can we please not? i propose a pinned topic... AO vs Crosby... keep it up for ever... so 2037128093 new topix will not emerge. Edited November 29, 2009 by Duck Guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Everybody knows McCarty > Crosby > Ovechkin. Uh its more like this boyd devereaux>mathieu dandenault>McCarty>Gretzky>Ovie>Crosby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Seriously though, how many topics about Sidney Crosby do we need? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Seriously though, how many topics about Sidney Crosby do we need? thats the wrong attitude to have, you can never have enough crosby. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hokeychik22 17 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 make me throw up.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 (edited) [insert Stanley Cup picture here] *then looks at the standings* pwned Indeed, he did a great job doing absolutely ******* nothing in the finals, kudos to him for having his team carry his weight when he was needed the most. Edited November 29, 2009 by Cern Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Indeed, he did a great job doing absolutely ******* nothing in the finals, kudos to him for having his team carry his weight when he was needed the most. Kudo's for him drawing the attetion of the Red Wing's two best players so his complementary player could get the ice he needed to help the team win. He carried the team to the finals, and took the brunt of Detroit's main focus in the Finals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Have to admit, at least he is scoring goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Kudo's for him drawing the attetion of the Red Wing's two best players so his complementary player could get the ice he needed to help the team win. He carried the team to the finals, and took the brunt of Detroit's main focus in the Finals. You mean those two best players who were barely healthy enough to be wearing skates in the first place? Given the condition of the walking wounded the fact that he 'drew their attention' dosen't exactly carry much of an impact Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 (edited) Check the face-off stats again. He is the best in the league at the moment. Centers are much more signifcant to team victories than wingers, that's just the game and my opinion. Come on Drake are you really going to tell me +/- is the best stat to use for defense? How about Ovechkin's 25 giveaways compared to Crosby's 17. What about the 40% more games with that stat? I'm talking about the stats for that playoff series. I just don't know how you can argue that Crosby's better than Ovechkin when every piece of evidence points to Ovechkin. You have to reach all the way to position to justify your argument. By that argument I could say that Miller's better than Crosby because goalies are more important to a team's victory than centres and Miller's the top goalie in the league right now. If you're going to weigh the stats towards one position it'd go: Goalie, Defenseman, Centre, Winger. It could be argued that the best defenseman has more impact than the best goalie, but it's certainly true that both are more crucial than the team's best centre if we're talking in terms of position. Edit: spelling. Edited November 29, 2009 by Drake_Marcus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 You mean those two best players who were barely healthy enough to be wearing skates in the first place? Given the condition of the walking wounded the fact that he 'drew their attention' dosen't exactly carry much of an impact I don't believe Zetterberg was that injured beyond the regular rigors of playoff hockey. And Lidstrom is still Lidstrom. And you don't think Crosby wasn't banged up either? That's pretty naive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 I'm just saying I put more emphasis on players that play center because of the added responsibilities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aw1340 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 OMG! By your brilliant logic McCarty is better than Crosby! (and unlike Crosby, McCarty's actually scored a cup winning goal) People seem to forget that even though the pens won last year it doesn't erase our cup win against them in 08 and it never will. They simply just evened the score. If Crosby actually did something in the finals this would be much harder to take. A real leader is often remembered for scoring timing goals, blocking shots, playing through pain, doing everything he can to help the team win. The only things I remember from Crosby in the finals was a pathetic dive he did when Malts gave him a tap on the leg (I literally burst out laughing at the time) and then sitting on the bench in the 3rd period of game 7. Yeah that's a real leader alright. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 You guys really need to just let it go, seriously... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 (edited) I don't believe Zetterberg was that injured beyond the regular rigors of playoff hockey. And Lidstrom is still Lidstrom. And you don't think Crosby wasn't banged up either? That's pretty naive. that's a funny way of spelling 'Datsyuk and Hossa'. Thanks for reminding me that Lidstrom was essentially in the same boat, though. To say Crosby was anywhere near as 'banged up' as any one of them until Franzen introduced his horse face to the boards in game 7 is completely laughable, by the way. Edited November 29, 2009 by Cern Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Kudo's for him drawing the attetion of the Red Wing's two best players so his complementary player could get the ice he needed to help the team win. He carried the team to the finals, and took the brunt of Detroit's main focus in the Finals. Just because he was shut down doesn't mean he was their main focus. It means he was successfully shut down. By your logic Hossa was critical to the Wings because he was so thoroughly shut down by the Pens top defensive players and it allowed his complementary player (Zetterberg) to score. If Malkin is Crosby's complementary player then Lidstrom's Rafalski's complementary player. Face it-- the Wings tried to shut down both Crosby AND Malkin (if they didn't they were retarded). One player rose above it and won the series for his team, one wilted under the defensive pressure. Even if you think his being shut down by Zetterberg and Lidstrom makes him the better forward that makes Zetterberg better than him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Kudo's for him drawing the attetion of the Red Wing's two best players so his complementary player could get the ice he needed to help the team win. Umm, our shut-down forward isn't Zetterberg. It's the forward with the Selkes. Just saying. And Lids had a scrotal injury. His ******* balls were broke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Umm, our shut-down forward isn't Zetterberg. It's the forward with the Selkes. Just saying. And Lids had a scrotal injury. His ******* balls were broke. He didn't shut down Datsyuk anyway given that he wasn't even playing for most of the series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
