hak 21 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 can't wait for details about the signings.. i wonder if kane and toews get the same cap hit? btw, it's tough to have an intelligent and objective discussion with two heavily biased sides. chill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Jealousy brings out such anger in Red Wing fans. All I heard before these three signed was that we would never be able to sign all three. A lot of people on this very board said that. So what happens when we get them signed? They change it up and say we wont be able to sign anyone else. Simple fact is the Hawks have signed their core players and the Red Wings are going to have to deal with the Hawks for years to come. And that sacres the hell out of some of you. Making any excuse so you can sleep better at night. I slept like a baby after game seven of the Stanley Cup finals. How did you sleep? Oh wait your team didn't make it that far. I find it cute how you take the time out of your day to go to a Wings board and troll fans who honestly don't see how Chicago is going to make these contracts work without moving a lot of salary. Any ideas? At least there were some scenarios regarding KKT that were plausible. Any in this one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Yes but we all still had our doubts about them able to sign Keith. But anyway, can you explain to me the "tagging" you're all talking about? This might help: TSN . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Jealous of what? Having s*** the bed ever since 1961 with an average attendance for years until 2008 of less than 9,000 per game and having to tank several times to recieve two high picks ala Pittsburgh? Nobody here is jealous of Chicago. You'll find the majority of posters here respect the talent they have and are now able to look at Chicago as a legitimate sports franchise, something nobody has been able to do in years. And sorry, but the simple fact is that Chicago is going to have to unload a big portion of its depth in order to handle these signings. That's just the reality of the situation, unless we all missed something and the cap was raised by $20 million overnight. Unless you can acknowledge that your team is going to have to greatly sacrifice in order to facilitate keeping the big three plus Hossa around, then you're no more intelligent than the fans who started watching hockey 2 years ago and foam at the mouth while shrieking "Detroit sucks!!" when you're not even playing us. I haven't had the chance to burn through this entire thread yet (so sorry if this has already been posted), but if all three have signed the aforementioned deals, this puts the Hawks $4.693 million over next years cap (given it stays the same), which we all know is *not* allowed in order to be in compliance with the salary cap. So these new "contracts" can't be processed until they've cleared enough room for them to fit under the cap. Now all that being said, this would leave the Hawks next season with 10 players up front, 5 on the backend and a single goalie. So not only do they need to trim $4.693 million before these contracts can hit the books, but they also need to move others in order to clear up enough space to add *more than* 3 Offensemen, 2 Defensemen and a goalie. Best of luck with that Chicago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Was there ever an official decision from the League regarding the possible circumvention of rules in the Hossa contract? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Louisville 112 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 OOOO Western Conference champs. Lost in the finals. At least you have a prayer of making it back there this year. Typical Hawk fans. They have one season of success and now they have the biggest mouth on the block. Couple years ago you'd never see one show his face around here. I used to go to games all the time at the United Center and you could put your feet on the chair in front of you. I felt like it was an NHL game just for me. The team was basically giving tickets away and people still didn't go to their games. The fans then at least had a level of hockey knowledge. When I went to a game last year, less than half of the people I spoke to could tell me the last time they won a cup or what number Bobby Hull wore. I really don't mind the team, but their fans are the ultimate class of morons. As for the the team, good for them. I wasn't sure they could get it done but I guess they've solved it for now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 I haven't had the chance to burn through this entire thread yet (so sorry if this has already been posted), but if all three have signed the aforementioned deals, this puts the Hawks $4.693 million over next years cap (given it stays the same), which we all know is *not* allowed in order to be in compliance with the salary cap. So these new "contracts" can't be processed until they've cleared enough room for them to fit under the cap. Now all that being said, this would leave the Hawks next season with 10 players up front, 5 on the backend and a single goalie. So not only do they need to trim $4.693 million before these contracts can hit the books, but they also need to move others in order to clear up enough space to add *more than* 3 Offensemen, 2 Defensemen and a goalie. Best of luck with that Chicago. Huet or Campbell, or possibly both, absolutely will be gone. Turco, Nabokov (Chris) Mason, Ellis, Ward, and Hiller are all free agents in 2010. It would be hard to see them signing any of those names with the exception of Ellis or Mason at a low price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Louisville 112 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Huet or Campbell, or possibly both, absolutely will be gone. Turco, Nabokov (Chris) Mason, Ellis, Ward, and Hiller are all free agents in 2010. It would be hard to see them signing any of those names with the exception of Ellis or Mason at a low price. They might just roll with Corey Crawford. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 They might just roll with Corey Crawford. I'd greatly support that move Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Huet or Campbell, or possibly both, absolutely will be gone. Turco, Nabokov (Chris) Mason, Ellis, Ward, and Hiller are all free agents in 2010. It would be hard to see them signing any of those names with the exception of Ellis or Mason at a low price. It's not as simple as that. First off, no one in their right-mind would take either of those two ridiculous contracts off the Blackhawks hands. The best they can truly hope for is waiving Huet, and then someone claiming him on re-entry waivers where the Hawks will be on the hook for half his salary. Second, from what I understand, if Campbell were to be bought out (given his age) he would be owed 60% of his contract and the Blackhawks could spread that amount out over double the length of his remaining contract (which would be a cap-hit of $2.14 million per season over the next 12 years). That would free up $5 million annually, which would again put them $307,000 away from *this year's* cap. Now, lets just say they did that, and were able to accomplish the aforementioned waive scenario I posted above. This would give them $3.12 million in cap room next season, with still needing to sign 3 more Offensemen, now 3 more Defensemen and 2 Goalies. To top it off, the cap is most likely going to dip next season. All this on top of their huge desire not to lose two important RFA's in Hjalmarsson and Ladd. It's just not in the cards for the Hawks to get out of this one without suffering serious depth issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Stole da words right outta my mout. Is that you 20 Cent? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Louisville 112 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) Why is it that any time some team whose fans think the Wings are rivals with does something right, they all flock to our forums like children showing their parents their first macaroni portrait? "Yes, that's very nice, Hawks' fans. Now go run along and play." That's funny and the comparison to children is not far off. To answer your question specifically about Hawks fans, they are: A) Not embarrassed to be a Hawks fan anymore B) Have years of insecurity issues built up about their team and have to get it out C) Think we have been rivals for years, but really nobody really cared about the Hawks until last year. Prior to that topics around here involved people feeling sorry for them that their owner was "Dollar Bill" Wirtz. You're one of the those wings fans who thinks the Hawks aren't your rivals huh? It's not that Wings fans don't think the Hawks are rivals now, but prior to last year none of us really cared or feared the team. Our rivals were teams like Anaheim, San Jose, or Pittsburgh. I remember in 2008 the Hawks beat us a lot in the regular season and every single one of their fans would bring this up. It like they viewed their season a success based on beating the Red Wings. The Hawks didn't make the playoffs and the Wings won their eleventh Stanley Cup. So you may be able to talk s*** now, but remember your team still has a lot to prove and you can't always be the best forever. I've honestly never witnessed or heared of Hawk fans chanting detroit sucks without you playing there minus a few occasions. One was last year against Philly and we were in the midst of a pretty good hot streak and we were playing the wings next. Also, a couple years back we chanted that but, again, it was when we were playing you in our next game. It's nothing more than Hawks fans looking forward to the next game. Now I know your completely full of s***. Hawks fans do it all the time, granted it's not loud booming cheers that you're thinking but they slip it in before the drop of the puck all the time. It's nothing more than Hawks fans being jealous all these years. Edited December 3, 2009 by Louisville Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 It's "mouf". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIBS 35 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 It's "mouf". No its mout. It was Chicagoese not Blackenese. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 How did this get into a pissing match? Thanks NFM and the few other who stayed on topic. Like has been said: Good: A great core of players for the next bunch of years that will ensure regular season success and probably a couple division championships. Bad: You really need your depth guys and roll players for the playoffs and we have seen through the Sharks of what happens when you turn-over your roster on an annual basis. Ugly: The contracts of Hewitt And Soupy. No team will trade for those players and the only way to see those contracts even coming remotely off the books is through re-entry waivers or being bought out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragonballgtz 273 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 If they have to make room for the "tag" rule who is being shipped out before the announcement? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chunkylover 26 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Good news for Hawks fans. As for the Huet and Campbell deals, Burke has said he will eat huge contracts this year, for a price of course. I'm sure the Hawks won't be at all concerned to ship a few picks to get cap compliant. The Hawks may not have cap problems next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Despite being a life long Red Wings fan I have always liked the Hawks and wanted them to return to form and be contenders. There is nothing better than a tough, back and forth, original 6 rivalry. Now that the Hawks are finally here, or just about, it's pretty ridiculous for Hawk fans to claim Wings fans are jealous (at least in most cases). I would love for the Hawks to be contenders for years to come as that would ensure countles back and forth games and potentially playoff series with the Wings. That being said, it's not the fact Wings fans are interested in the Hawks Cap Situation as it is hockey fans being interested in Cap situation around the league. Personally, I think Chicago's cap situation is going to be the most interesting one heading into next summer. The fact I am a Wings fan has nothign to do with it. Whenever you have as many young, great players as the Hawks do being resigned and as many strong depth players as the Hawks do it's always of interest. It's the same as the Wings cap situation heading into last summer being talked about by many other hockey fans. As it stands, I still don't see how the hawks have managed the Tag Up rule with these signings. I know Sopel is moveable (AHL) and Andrew Ebbett was picked up the other day but Im curious to see how they will become compliant. Furthermore, once the Hawks officially have Kane, Toews, and Keith under contract I am defintiely curious to see what moves they possibly make and how they end up fitting under the cap next season. Anyone who thinks the Hawks won't lose some serious depth players (such as Versteeeg, Sharp, Byfuglien, etc) is dillusional. It's the same as anyone, entering last summer, that thought the Wings wouldn't lose any of Samuelsson, Hudler, etc. Interesting hockey news is intersting hockey news no matter which team you're a fan of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragonballgtz 273 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) Good news for Hawks fans. As for the Huet and Campbell deals, Burke has said he will eat huge contracts this year, for a price of course. I'm sure the Hawks won't be at all concerned to ship a few picks to get cap compliant. The Hawks may not have cap problems next year. This year but Campbell is signed for a long time till 2016 i think. Anyone got a link to the press conference? Edited December 3, 2009 by dragonballgtz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 I'm sure they have something planned. Huet is playing good this year so it wouldn't be impossible to ship him out and go for budget goaltending. Campbell would be more difficult, but a desperate team like Toronto could maybe take him if they sweeten the deal with some draft picks. I don't think Chicago are as f***ed as you think. But I would freakin love it if we could steal Hjalmarsson. yeah, it would be nice to fire back at a team for once and jack a couple of their free agents...like ladd and possibly hjalmarsson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chunkylover 26 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 I would love for the Hawks to be contenders for years to come as that would ensure countles back and forth games and potentially playoff series with the Wings. This is the worst thing about a rivalry is that for it to work correctly, both teams would have to lose as much as they win. I wouldn't mind if the Wings never had a true rival, although that's improbable, especially with the proximity and potential of the Hawks. This year but Campbell is signed for a long time till 2016 i think. Anyone got a link to the press conference? What I meant was that if Campbell will agree to it, he could end up being traded to Toronto because Burke is willing to take on bad contracts for picks. Chicago won't need first round picks for a while and if it takes two consecutive firsts to dump Campbell, you know they'll do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Apparently you don't understand how the salary cap works... Does anyone have an idea how the cap works? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpiritFan 37 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Anyone got a link to the press conference? It will be streamed on http://blackhawks.nhl.com/. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Good news for Hawks fans. As for the Huet and Campbell deals, Burke has said he will eat huge contracts this year, for a price of course. I'm sure the Hawks won't be at all concerned to ship a few picks to get cap compliant. The Hawks may not have cap problems next year. It's either a cap problem or a depth problem....and yes, the Blackhawks will have one or the other next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayUp88 1 Report post Posted December 3, 2009 * Sigh * Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
