Hudler?

[Carman 387]

Oh come on. Anyone in the NHL could go to the KHL and make considerable more money. It's only the selfish, egotistical, past prime, kicked out of the NHL or quite frankly lazy players that actually go there to pursue their careers.

You play the game to be the best. It's not like he is getting paid chump change in the NHL. The Red Wing's are a family. If he got injured, look what they did with Vlad, and that wasn't even on the ice, or Jiri Fischer. It's a damn privilege to wear a Wing's logo and play in the NHL. Don't give me that oh he needs the money spiel. I'd have more respect for him if he asked for a trade.

People dream to be in his position, and he pissed it away to go tickle his pants with Russian prostitutes while he scores on a few washed up goalies that would get s*** canned in a week over here.

Edited December 4, 2009 by Carman

[RedArmy 4]

Oh come on. Anyone in the NHL could go to the KHL and make considerable more money. It's only the selfish, egotistical, past prime, kicked out of the NHL or quite frankly lazy players that actually go there to pursue their careers.

You play the game to be the best. It's not like he is getting paid chump change in the NHL. The Red Wing's are a family. If he got injured, look what they did with Vlad, and that wasn't even on the ice, or Jiri Fischer. It's a damn privilege to wear a Wing's logo and play in the NHL. Don't give me that oh he needs the money spiel. I'd have more respect for him if he asked for a trade.

People dream to be in his position, and he pissed it away to go tickle his pants with Russian prostitutes while he scores on a few washed up goalies that would get s*** canned in a week over here.

interesting, so you are saying it has nothing to do with economics? Russia was able to produce a competitive hockey league, that can actually afford to bring some good players over. Obviously, they can't pay out the size of contracts that some major teams in North America can at this time. You don't think that if KHL would put higher bids on some players they wouldn't come over? You are very naive then... It comes down to money. KHL is a relatively young league as it matures and grows, it will come down to the type of revenues Hockey generates and then the league will start attracting better players...

Perfect example is Soccer, after fall of Soviet Union Russian launched its new Russian premier league and now brings in plenty of stars from outside to play in its league a perfect example is when a Russian club filled with international players just like any other pro team beat Manchester United in UEFA Super Cup... Zenit St. Petersburg 2–1 Manchester United taking the CUP and the championship

Manchester is one of the best pro soccer clubs in the world and they lost to a Russian club because Russian club had an international roster...

So its just a matter of time don't be delusional, it comes down to money...

[adtthosa 5]

He left to be a star. He doesn't want to play on the second line.

I'd take him back in a heartbeat.

[Pavel Hossyukstrom 2]

Jeez another Hudler thread that turns into "Piss on Hudler" thread gee what a surprise. Please stop it and grow up! I like Huds and would welcome him back. He never did anything to you. Yeah it's a weird situation which I still can't get my mind around. He'll be back, he's just polishing off his skills over there. It's like a long conditioning stint in the AHL but it's better than the AHL.

[Carman 387]

With a User name of "Red Army". I don't think I'm going to convince you that the KHL isn't a great league.

Not saying it doesn't having anything to do with economics. I'm just saying the players I'd want on my team would choose to play in the NHL for less money rather then the KHL. That's all. Hudler is just an example of someone who values money more then the passion and meaning of the sport.

If economics really played as big of a role as you think, there would be a hell of a lot more borderline players heading over there.

I don't like the KHL, you do. Let's agree to disagree.

Edited December 4, 2009 by Carman

[egroen 384]

I think Hudler was refreshingly honest about his reasons for going over -- closer to home; he's young and can come back; chance at more minutes; had already won a Stanley Cup; and a sh!t-ton of more money (tax free).

Can't fault him, as it would take a unique 25 year-old to turn down that much money to play closer to home for a couple years... definitely would welcome him back with open arms about right now.

If the NHL was in russia, you'd see a lot of North American hockey players doing the same thing.

[The Mule 0]

Everything Carman has said in this thread > everything RedArmy has said in this thread.

[RedArmy 4]

Everything Carman has said in this thread > everything RedArmy has said in this thread.

USA USA USA USA USA!!!!!

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[The Mule 0]

USA USA USA USA USA!!!!!

lol

...what?

Edited December 4, 2009 by The Mule

[XxGoWingsxX 0]

Hudler doesn't fit in here. He's not going to be welcomed back with open arms.

Says who? He fit in great while he was here...and secondly, nobody takes you seriously.

[egroen 384]

Says who? He fit in great while he was here...and secondly, nobody takes you seriously.

He does not fit in well with the hulking, low-skilled behemoths Detroit usually ices.

I really think people forget that he is being paid Lidstrom money to play in the KHL.

I personally blame the KHL (for making such a ridiculous offer) and the NHL (for not adequetely protecting its talent), as I think 90% of Eastern Europeans would happily jump continents for 3X the money.

[Icesurfer 75]

Moscow Dynamo Stats Edited December 4, 2009 by Icesurfer

[Icesurfer 75]

Player â„– Team GP G A PTS +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG SDS SOG %SOG FO %FO TOI/G Sft/G S/G

Weinhandl Mattias80 DYM 31 13 19 32 5 24 5 0 3 1 67 19.4 2 0.0 17:29 19.4 2.2

Hudler Jiri 26 DYM 31 11 17 28 0 10 4 1 2 0 69 15.9 535 46.7 18:17 19.6 2.2

Omark Linus 67 DYM 31 11 8 19 -4 16 3 0 3 0 62 17.7 6 66.7 16:00 17.6 2.0

Kaluzhny Alexei 71 DYM 31 6 8 14 -6 12 2 0 0 0 54 11.1 101 55.4 17:47 19.8 1.7

Yachmenev Vitaly43 DYM 31 2 9 11 -5 10 1 0 1 0 38 5.3 10 50.0 15:19 18.1 1.2

Yepanchintsev Vadim8 DYM 29 2 8 10 -1 30 1 0 1 0 28 7.1 339 49.3 14:58 16.9 1.0

TOP 6 Forwards for Moscow Dynamo's.... just for comparison.

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[mjlegend 155]

I kind of miss Danny Markov's special brand of crazy.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

I kind of miss Danny Markov's special brand of crazy.

Loved it when he pounded the glass at the Anaheim fan

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I kind of miss Danny Markov's special brand of crazy.

The time he snapped in OT against St Louis and beat up Petr Cajanek was classic, along with punching the glass in Anaheim. And he could do this pretty well too

Get it done Kenny! But seriously, I loved Markov.

[Guest lnvincible]

I think growing up in Canada watching the NHL has a big part of players from North America NOT leaving the NHL.

I most of the Russian's and European players tend lean towards money (not all), for curtain everyone wants to play at home at there own country. Being that they never grew up in North America it would impact where they want to play.

.... my 2 cents.

[Theophany 110]

I think growing up in Canada watching the NHL has a big part of players from North America NOT leaving the NHL.

I most of the Russian's and European players tend lean towards money (not all), for curtain everyone wants to play at home at there own country. Being that they never grew up in North America it would impact where they want to play.

.... my 2 cents.

Your two cents are wrong. Players in other countries grow up watching the NHL and hearing about how the NHL is the greatest competitive level you can get to.

Hudler leaving for the KHL was a money issue, but it has nothing to do with him being a euro. Fact of the matter is he could be a top line forward and make twice as much money over there.

I probably would have done the same, if I'm frank. You would have too.

[Carman 387]

Your two cents are wrong. Players in other countries grow up watching the NHL and hearing about how the NHL is the greatest competitive level you can get to.

Hudler leaving for the KHL was a money issue, but it has nothing to do with him being a euro. Fact of the matter is he could be a top line forward and make twice as much money over there.

I probably would have done the same, if I'm frank. You would have too.

Then why aren't there more players going over there? Surely Hudler isn't the only player in the league that would be making less money then he probably deserves?

I wouldn't have. I'd be perfectly happy playing for one of the best organizations in all of sports.

Cannot wait until Hudler comes back over so we can start getting those draft picks in the organization so we can use all our resources into developing them much like we did Hudler. Hopefully they don't carry the same attitude about hockey as Hudler though.

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

Then why aren't there more players going over there? Surely Hudler isn't the only player in the league that would be making less money then he probably deserves?

I wouldn't have. I'd be perfectly happy playing for one of the best organizations in all of sports.

Cannot wait until Hudler comes back over so we can start getting those draft picks in the organization so we can use all our resources into developing them much like we did Hudler. Hopefully they don't carry the same attitude about hockey as Hudler though.

Again... wtf did Hudler do to this organization to cause grief? Holland's on record that things were handled fine by him (regardless of the loss to the team).

I almost want to believe the thought that the Red Wings did this on purpose because of the salary cap.

[Carman 387]

Again... wtf did Hudler do to this organization to cause grief? Holland's on record that things were handled fine by him (regardless of the loss to the team).

I almost want to believe the thought that the Red Wings did this on purpose because of the salary cap.

I don't like losing an NHL player that was developed fully by the organization leave the team in his prime. Sorry, it's not like this situation happens all the time. I believe he had a choice, that's all.

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

I don't like losing an NHL player that was developed fully by the organization leave the team in his prime. Sorry, it's not like this situation happens all the time. I believe he had a choice, that's all.

But it does... Quincey & Kopecky are just a few recently lost homegrown talents (regardless of how they did on the Wings).

[Carman 387]

But it does... Quincey & Kopecky are just a few recently lost homegrown talents (regardless of how they did on the Wings).

I'm referring to leaving to play in another league. I'd have more respect if he just left for free agency.

[Doc Holiday 0]

I'm referring to leaving to play in another league. I'd have more respect if he just left for free agency.

Why?

He is coming back to Detroit guaranteed probably better than he was before he left. You'd rather lose him outright to free agency simply because it is in the same league (where he would be playing against an opposing team)?

[Carman 387]

Why?

He is coming back to Detroit guaranteed probably better than he was before he left. You'd rather lose him outright to free agency simply because it is in the same league (where he would be playing against an opposing team)?

I'd rather not see talented young players leave the league for a year in their prime. Has more to do with the outlook and competition of the league, than about my team's well being.