Holmstrom

[Broken 16 381]

I'm not sure you understand a whole lot about this.

I'm not sure you understand. If Lidstrom continues his current level of play throughout the season... no way IN HELL does he deserve over 4 million. I'd even say that 4 mill would be overdoing it, imo.

[Doc Holiday 0]

I'm not sure you understand. If Lidstrom continues his current level of play throughout the season... no way IN HELL does he deserve over 4 million. I'd even say that 4 mill would be overdoing it, imo.

And you think that four years is a good length of time for that contract?

Two years, max. The guy is a legend and all, but even Yzerman knew when to hang em up.

[Rivalred 630]

This thread can be made for any individual player on the Wings team right now.

Agreed

True. But Holmstrom got off to a great start. We need to have him playing at that level again.

We also did not have a lot of regular players injured either.

[Hack & Whack Rule! 160]

I'm not sure you understand. If Lidstrom continues his current level of play throughout the season... no way IN HELL does he deserve over 4 million. I'd even say that 4 mill would be overdoing it, imo.

My point is that there is no way IN HELL Lidstrom signs a 4 year, 1 million per, contract. If that's all that was offered, 1 million per, that is, then I can't see him doing more that one or two years. 4 years would be way too long. I honestly don't see him signing for a mil a year no matter how long the contract, but that might just be me.

[thedisappearer 291]

If Holland is wise, he'll sign Lidstrom to a 4 year, 4 million per deal and let Holmstrom retire or move on.

This contract would handcuff worse than what he's signed to right now.

Also, you are probably an idiot.

[Theophany 110]

Man Homer sure does suck, what with his leading the team in goals.

He's lazy and he sucks.

[Reilly 24]

Say what you want about Holmstrom, but simply having him on the active roster makes teams spend time in practice preparing to face him, particularly the defense and goaltending. Now, I'm not saying he deserves to be on the top line anymore, but it'll be a long time for me to give up on him, especially for nothing in return.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I understand this. FORTUNATELY (or unfortunately if Holland screws the pooch), Lidstrom and Holmstrom are at the END of their contracts. If Holland is wise, he'll sign Lidstrom to a 4 year, 4 million per deal and let Holmstrom retire or move on.

The Wings can't exactly afford to let more scoring walk out the door. When Homer re-signs, I'm guessing it'll be at a good rate.

[jollymania 162]

He had a nice fart on brodeur tonight

[Drake_Marcus 890]

This contract would handcuff worse than what he's signed to right now.

Also, you are probably an idiot.

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My point is that there is no way IN HELL Lidstrom signs a 4 year, 1 million per, contract. If that's all that was offered, 1 million per, that is, then I can't see him doing more that one or two years. 4 years would be way too long. I honestly don't see him signing for a mil a year no matter how long the contract, but that might just be me.

My bad. I interpreted it as 4 years, 4 mill per. And I agree. No way does he sign for 4 years and no way should he be offered 1 mill per.

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My bad. I interpreted it as 4 years, 4 mill per. And I agree. No way does he sign for 4 years and no way should he be offered 1 mill per.

Gotcha. I went back to make sure I was seeing it right.

[Doc Holiday 0]

My point is that there is no way IN HELL Lidstrom signs a 4 year, 1 million per, contract. If that's all that was offered, 1 million per, that is, then I can't see him doing more that one or two years. 4 years would be way too long. I honestly don't see him signing for a mil a year no matter how long the contract, but that might just be me.

Uhh, he says 4 million PER right in the post that was quoted.

[wingsownnhl43 14]

I hate when people point out that Homer is leading the team in goals and can conclude that he does not suck. Lets face it guys, he is an awful 5-on-5 player. He is a straight up liability.

On the powerplays, yeah, Id love to have him in front of the net. When it comes to 5-on-5 play, hes nothing more than a fourth line player.

And as crazy as Jake Ryan is, I have to agree. Lidstrom is probably worth around 4 mil/yr at this point in his career, and yeah Rafalski is grossly overpaid.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I hate when people point out that Homer is leading the team in goals and can conclude that he does not suck. Lets face it guys, he is an awful 5-on-5 player. He is a straight up liability.

On the powerplays, yeah, Id love to have him in front of the net. When it comes to 5-on-5 play, hes nothing more than a fourth line player.

And as crazy as Jake Ryan is, I have to agree. Lidstrom is probably worth around 4 mil/yr at this point in his career, and yeah Rafalski is grossly overpaid.

I'll admit that Homer isn't exactly the best two-way forward, but he does more than just stand in front of the net. He's great at doing the dirty work in the corners retrieving the puck, which is definitely needed on the Wings top lines. And of his 16 points, half are power play, half are even strength, and he's +2 on a team that has not been great defensively.

Don't fall for Jake Ryan's garbage. Homer isn't the most talented guy out there, but he's been more of an asset than a hinderance this season. And the Wings need everybody pitching in right now.

[Third Man In 2,091]

I think any problem with Homer at the moment stems from an apparent breakdown in the Wings' system. It seems like he's carrying the puck into the zone a lot more this year, rather than making a B line for the corner or the front of the net.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I think any problem with Homer at the moment stems from an apparent breakdown in the Wings' system. It seems like he's carrying the puck into the zone a lot more this year, rather than making a B line for the corner or the front of the net.

I've noticed that too. If Homer is carrying the puck in that much it shows how limited the Wings are offensively right now, because he's actually been pretty good at it, especially when he chips and charges. But I agree, ideally he should not be the guy with the puck on his stick through the neutral zone.

My main criticism of Homer is the standard ones. He needs to cut down on some of the bad penalties. getting caught retaliating, obviously bumping into the goalie. He knows the refs are looking for him, so he has to be extremely disciplined. The other main complaint is stop diving so much in front of the net, so maybe once in a while when he gets crosschecked the refs might actually call a penalty the other way.

[Buppy 1,720]

I hate when people point out that Homer is leading the team in goals and can conclude that he does not suck. Lets face it guys, he is an awful 5-on-5 player. He is a straight up liability.

On the powerplays, yeah, Id love to have him in front of the net. When it comes to 5-on-5 play, hes nothing more than a fourth line player.

And as crazy as Jake Ryan is, I have to agree. Lidstrom is probably worth around 4 mil/yr at this point in his career, and yeah Rafalski is grossly overpaid.

Only Zetterberg has more 5 on 5 goals. Cleary has the same amount. Cleary is a -8, Homer +2. He's pretty much as good as he's ever been. If the team was healthy, a top 6 role is the best place for him. He doesn't have the skills you want in a 3rd or 4th liner. He can contribute on the top lines, and the stats prove it. As injured as we are, I'd rather see one big top line, two decent grinder-type lines, and a poor 4th than two mediocre scoring lines.

As for Lidstrom, his play so far may not be worth his salary, but he's still playing top notch defense, and it's a long season. If you factor his worth over his career against what he's been paid, we probably still owe him about $100 million. So 1/4 of a season with performance a little below his salary isn't something you have any right to criticize.

[Doc Holiday 0]

I've noticed that too. If Homer is carrying the puck in that much it shows how limited the Wings are offensively right now, because he's actually been pretty good at it, especially when he chips and charges. But I agree, ideally he should not be the guy with the puck on his stick through the neutral zone.

My main criticism of Homer is the standard ones. He needs to cut down on some of the bad penalties. getting caught retaliating, obviously bumping into the goalie. He knows the refs are looking for him, so he has to be extremely disciplined. The other main complaint is stop diving so much in front of the net, so maybe once in a while when he gets crosschecked the refs might actually call a penalty the other way.

Pretty much my opinion on the subject. Especially with bowling over the goalie all the time. He can do the same job without being right on crease, and knowing Homer he is going to be called much more often than the average player.

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

Seriously, why is this guy still allowed to post these stupid goddamn threads?

It's not doing anyone any good and he's only doing it to troll...

[Hack & Whack Rule! 160]

Seriously, why is this guy still allowed to post these stupid goddamn threads?

It's not doing anyone any good and he's only doing it to troll...

Agreed. Any time a thread starts up about Homer, you know it was started by Jake Ryan. And it's going to be brainless.

[Jake Ryan 1]

I'll admit that Homer isn't exactly the best two-way forward, but he does more than just stand in front of the net. He's great at doing the dirty work in the corners retrieving the puck, which is definitely needed on the Wings top lines. And of his 16 points, half are power play, half are even strength, and he's +2 on a team that has not been great defensively.

Don't fall for Jake Ryan's garbage. Homer isn't the most talented guy out there, but he's been more of an asset than a hinderance this season. And the Wings need everybody pitching in right now.

I would disagree with you here. Holmstrom can be used effectively (Power Play and time killer when we're up big). However, he has single handedly sent Datsyuk into a 50 game tailspin by not being able to open up room or keep up with the play. Datsyuk needs speed on his line to open up the ice for him. He can't get that as long as Holmstrom is playing alongside him. I wish everybody would just understand that I'm not against Tomas Holmstrom. I know what he's good for, and I do believe he can still contribute. I just don't think he should be playing with Datsyuk or Zetterberg. I think his lack of speed and 5 on 5 ability bring those guys down.

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I would disagree with you here. Holmstrom can be used effectively (Power Play and time killer when we're up big). However, he has single handedly sent Datsyuk into a 50 game tailspin by not being able to open up room or keep up with the play. Datsyuk needs speed on his line to open up the ice for him. He can't get that as long as Holmstrom is playing alongside him. I wish everybody would just understand that I'm not against Tomas Holmstrom. I know what he's good for, and I do believe he can still contribute. I just don't think he should be playing with Datsyuk or Zetterberg. I think his lack of speed and 5 on 5 ability bring those guys down.

Yes, I realize you're pinning all Datsyuk's problems on Homer.

And Homer has never had good skating speed, even back when the ZDH line was by far the team's best line.

[Jake Ryan 1]

Yes, I realize you're pinning all Datsyuk's problems on Homer.

And Homer has never had good skating speed, even back when the ZDH line was by far the team's best line.

Dude, come on.

Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Slice would be a good line.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Dude, come on.

Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Slice would be a good line.

Dats just scored in great part because of Homer being in front of the net. It works both ways.